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[Moonshadow 16,157]

5 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Bedford is 177cm and quick. Skinny but at 17yo, plenty of preseason years ahead. 

Perfect start as a forward pocket for a few years. 

Same height as Cyril Rioli. 

Just sayin'....

[Whispering_Jack 27,957]

Review of Toby Bedford’s performance in the TAC Cup Grand Final from AFL Draft Central ~ Scouting notes: 2018 TAC Cup Grand Final

#15 Toby Bedford

“He set the tone early with a great tackle inside 50 and just seemed to find space around the ground winning the ball. At times he danced around opponents and tried to set up plays, and while he was not as effective as his past two finals, still had a few eye-catching moments. He kicked an important goal in the second term to keep Dandenong’s momentum high, he just did not have the four quarter consistency on the day, picking up nine of his 10 touches in the middle two quarters.”

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On 9/6/2018 at 10:33 AM, drdrake said:

The next Generation academy's are a little different for the southern clubs.  Clubs outside NSW and Qld teams only have priority access in the drafts to indigenous and kids with a parent born overseas.   The Qld and NSW teams have priority access to all kids in their academy's.

It is an unfair structure not only to the clubs but also to kids that don't fit into those 2 categories.  I'm involved in a Junior Club that is in another AFL clubs region, we had kids miss out on getting selected into the NGA that are absolute guns and deserve the opportunity to be a part of the program and we had kids that couldn't get a kick in a stampede get selected because of their multi cultured back ground.   

Arent there already pathways for elite juniors?

[spirit of norm smith 12,884]

12 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Review of Toby Bedford’s performance in the TAC Cup Grand Final from AFL Draft Central ~ Scouting notes: 2018 TAC Cup Grand Final

#15 Toby Bedford

“He set the tone early with a great tackle inside 50 and just seemed to find space around the ground winning the ball. At times he danced around opponents and tried to set up plays, and while he was not as effective as his past two finals, still had a few eye-catching moments. He kicked an important goal in the second term to keep Dandenong’s momentum high, he just did not have the four quarter consistency on the day, picking up nine of his 10 touches in the middle two quarters.”

He has the goods we need.

Pace

skills

goal kicking 

[layzie 28,643]

Has all the attributes. No doubt about it.

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On 9/24/2018 at 3:04 PM, Diamond_Jim said:

so if we nominate him with our second round pick which is around pick 35 another club has to use their first round pick to take him from us?

Am I correct

At 173cm he is the same size as Spargo... can you carry two smalls in a modern AFL side?

Interesting

Before he was dropped on the eve of the finals, JKH (174cm) played in the same team as Spargo that IIRC beat WCE and GWS.

[Whispering_Jack 27,957]

On 9/22/2018 at 2:51 PM, Redleg said:

I haven’t as I taped it. WJ might have or someone else. 

Quite right Mr. Leg. I did tape the TAC Cup Grand Final with the intention of watching it during my week off work but it’s taken a while to get around to it because of the wonderful weather up here on the Gold Coast. I finished the task this morning.

I suppose that what we’re looking at in Bedford is a player who might be a Daniel Rioli type who exerts a great deal of defensive pressure with his pace and tackling but isn’t going to necessarily rack up high possession numbers. In the preliminary final - the game in which he received a lot of accolades from the draft watchers - he managed only 13 touches 

In the grand final, he started off slowly but did lay some strong tackles without getting any other stats. He really didn’t get into the game until the second quarter and was credited with 10 disposals altogether for the game.

He showed out from time to time with some good runs, a few effective tackles, some glimpses of excitement and potential but on this performance, I can’t see any opposition club putting in any early bids for him. He’s certainly not going to challenge for Melbourne’s midfield any time in the immediate future  - his pace and skills are good but need development. 

I would like to think we could get him either as a late selection in the draft or, more likely as a rookie. 

[Spirit of the Demon 208]

Perhaps the type of player we would like Jeff Garlett to be if only he could be consistent both during games and from game to game and season to season.

[Whispering_Jack 27,957]

A look at Dandenong Stingrays and Melbourne Football Club Next Generation Academy prospect Toby Bedford.

[rjay 23,884]

On very minimal watching him it appears the idea of Toby Bedford is better than Toby Bedford.

I mean, we really could do with a small forward with pace and x factor but he just doesn't get enough of the footy at the moment or hit the scoreboard.

This was also a problem for Dion Johnson who we've just delisted...

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3 minutes ago, rjay said:

On very minimal watching him it appears the idea of Toby Bedford is better than Toby Bedford.

I mean, we really could do with a small forward with pace and x factor but he just doesn't get enough of the footy at the moment or hit the scoreboard.

This was also a problem for Dion Johnson who we've just delisted...

My understanding is that he has elite small forward traits, however like you said he doesn't get enough of the ball or hit the scoreboard often enough. If he did then he'd probably be in the first or second round of the draft not the 3rd. His short comings can be worked on and developed. If his attack on the footy is good then it's just a matter of getting to the ball more often. I'd back the development staff at the club to help elevate his game, he could be a rough diamond. I think his ability is superior to Dion Johnstone by the way.

[DeeSpencer 23,087]

16 minutes ago, rjay said:

On very minimal watching him it appears the idea of Toby Bedford is better than Toby Bedford.

I mean, we really could do with a small forward with pace and x factor but he just doesn't get enough of the footy at the moment or hit the scoreboard.

This was also a problem for Dion Johnson who we've just delisted...

12 touches a game doesn't impress me, nor does 1 goal a game. 

But 8 tackles and 3 clearances are more impressive numbers. That's a guy who can win it in tight and be a really aggressive tackler.

I'd want to know why he's not finding the ball in space more. Is it work rate, is it the position the team puts him in or is it a feel for the game thing that might be able to be taught.

[rjay 23,884]

12 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I'd want to know why he's not finding the ball in space more. Is it work rate, is it the position the team puts him in or is it a feel for the game thing that might be able to be taught.

I'd like to know why he's not getting a lot of the ball...

Feel for the game I think is not so easy to teach.

You either have it or you don't.

...but there could be other reasons as you say.

 

 

[WERRIDEE 5,206]

51 minutes ago, rjay said:

On very minimal watching him it appears the idea of Toby Bedford is better than Toby Bedford.

I mean, we really could do with a small forward with pace and x factor but he just doesn't get enough of the footy at the moment or hit the scoreboard.

This was also a problem for Dion Johnson who we've just delisted...

Surely he'll be a late pick 54, 62 or 91. He's worth a punt if he has the pace everyone is talking about.  I want pace, pace and more pace in this year's draft and a developing key forward as well.

[spirit of norm smith 12,884]

1 hour ago, WERRIDEE said:

Surely he'll be a late pick 54, 62 or 91. He's worth a punt if he has the pace everyone is talking about.  I want pace, pace and more pace in this year's draft and a developing key forward as well.

Agree. We will likely use 54 or 62 on Bedford or those points.

I think the earliest nominated offer for him could be Bulldogs at 45.

He has the skills and pace that we need. Needs 12 months in Casey development at least. 

[DeeSpencer 23,087]

3 hours ago, rjay said:

I'd like to know why he's not getting a lot of the ball...

Feel for the game I think is not so easy to teach.

You either have it or you don't.

...but there could be other reasons as you say.

 

 

Sorry meant might not be able to be taught. 

That said, I look at Hawthorn, they had Cyril, just line him up and he'll go out there and get to the right spots and make an impact. But they also had Breust and Puopolo as pressure forwards. Puopolo was a state league defender. Breust played rugby growing up. Somehow the Hawks got those guys in positions to maximise their talents.

Bedford might not ever get more than 10 touches a game but if he's in the right spots and it's 10 good touches and 5 big tackles that's a very handy player

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16 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Sorry meant might not be able to be taught. 

That said, I look at Hawthorn, they had Cyril, just line him up and he'll go out there and get to the right spots and make an impact. But they also had Breust and Puopolo as pressure forwards. Puopolo was a state league defender. Breust played rugby growing up. Somehow the Hawks got those guys in positions to maximise their talents.

Bedford might not ever get more than 10 touches a game but if he's in the right spots and it's 10 good touches and 5 big tackles that's a very handy player

Cyril or Jetta (Lewis) never got high possessions but didn't they have an impact!

Mc Carthey will get him right, Nev will assist in his personal development and Gawny will keep him down to earth. Suspect he will play a game or two!

[Dr.D 1,771]

does anyone havea link to his highlights?

he sounds like jkh to me. quick, skilful and a lot of tackles so id need to see him first.

[Skuit 9,141]

47 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

does anyone havea link to his highlights?

he sounds like jkh to me. quick, skilful and a lot of tackles so id need to see him first.

Who is the jkh you speak of? 

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32 minutes ago, Skuit said:

Who is the jkh you speak of? 

Jay Kennedy-Harris. He is quick, skilful and applies defensive pressure. So it really depends whether bedford can stand up at afl level or not

[Wrecker45 3,378]

5 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

Jay Kennedy-Harris. He is quick, skilful and applies defensive pressure. So it really depends whether bedford can stand up at afl level or not

He is not quick.

[MadAsHell 4,088]

6 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

He is not quick.

He's got a good initial 2m or so. After that his pace is just average.

[spirit of norm smith 12,884]

Bedford is quick. No doubt. Whilst he doesn’t get the footy 25 times a match, his danger is tackling, pressure, goalkicking and assists. 

Definitely worth any draft pick after 50. 

[WERRIDEE 5,206]

5 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Bedford is quick. No doubt. Whilst he doesn’t get the footy 25 times a match, his danger is tackling, pressure, goalkicking and assists. 

Definitely worth any draft pick after 50. 

Can he go as low as 91?

Can O'Rielly go at pick 54?

Can English go at 62?

I've settled on Sturt at 23 and Duursma at 28.

Like to get Hind, C.Wagner and Lockhart as rookies.

[WERRIDEE 5,206]

2 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

Can he go as low as 91?

Can O'Rielly go at pick 54?

Can English go at 62?

I've settled on Sturt at 23 and Duursma at 28.

Like to get Hind, C.Wagner and Lockhart as rookies.

I've changed my mind again.

I don't want to go for the WA picks because of the go home factor.

So I'm going out on a limb and saying McKenzie will drop to 54 and Ayton-Delaney will drop to 62.