Post Match Discussion - Round 14

[DemonOX 8,529]

The best part about last nights game was the effort. 

Keep that effort up and the rest will follow (provided they practice how to kick in the f50). 

[drysdale demon 4,143]

Just now, Wiseblood said:

Do you actually discuss and talk about the club, or just take pot shots at posters? It would be nice to see if you're capable of something other than being that whiny kid in the playground that nobody likes. I don't think I've seen you do anything but have a go at other posters. It's getting boring. 

It's a forum I can say anything without getting personal at another poster. As far as picket fence goes he is the one that posted a couple of years ago that he knew more than the football department, so yeah I will make a snide remark to him now and again.You are easily bored.

[Dockett 32 1,213]

9 hours ago, Win4theAges said:

 Port rebounded 55 times from their defensive 50 to our 24, we just kick it straight to them for sucks fake.

We dont have any composure whats so ever.

Yep panic and bomb when they have to make a decision. Watch Pendlebury , Ablett, Sloan. Plenty of tricks, sidestep, slow it up,  go left or right the calmly hit a team mate  on the chest and retain possession for the next advance.

Clarry’s not to bad, Gus is ok too. The rest are classified as B graders for a reason.

 

[Redleg 37,448]

1 hour ago, chook fowler said:

Sometimes I hate being a Demons tragic and last night was like that because we should have won the game by half time. We smashed them in the clearances and in the forward 50s but couldn’t convert. 

And then there were the pathetic umpires who let the crowd pay the free kicks. I am sick of interstate clubs getting such an advantage and the afl refusing to do anything about it. 

Can't believe I did it, but I emailed Robbo at the Hun and told him to write what we all saw with the umpiring. It was disgraceful.

The Melksham decision was a disgrace and Ling was laughing at the call, blocking in a one on one contest. One goal taken off us. Then the 100 metre penalty and a goal to them.

Umpire 11 is either a Port supporter or just totally incompetent. I think he paid about 15 frees to Port and maybe 1 to us.

They had about 12 frees in front of goal for soft incidents and kicked about 6-7 from frees or 50's.

We couldn't buy one.

The West Coast game was also a disgrace.

The AFL should worry less about changing the game and more about the poor standard of umpiring.

[DemonLad5 1,637]

I’m guessing the players will be on my flight home, maybe I’ll ask all 21 of them  what went wrong and ask why Hogan didn’t play 

[PJ_12345 1,098]

Couple of comments on reflection:

- I dont think we have got the right team yet. Needed Spargo or Garlett for some forward pressure.

- Fritsch is amazing and really look forward to him developing more.

- Viney was commendable.

- Umpiring was deplorable.

- Lever out is a bigger loss than we all think.

[Marco 69]

Can you also pls see if McDonald is on the flight following his precautionary hospital visit after the game.

[chook fowler 18,164]

I think Watts, Toumpas and Trenners could have got us over the line.

[Wiseblood 24,636]

8 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

It's a forum I can say anything without getting personal at another poster. As far as picket fence goes he is the one that posted a couple of years ago that he knew more than the football department, so yeah I will make a snide remark to him now and again.You are easily bored.

Couple of years ago? You only signed up in April. Who were you before you became a poster from the Bellarine Peninsula? 

[beelzebub 22,225]

11 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Can't believe I did it, but I emailed Robbo at the Hun and told him to write what we all saw with the umpiring. It was disgraceful.

The Melksham decision was a disgrace and Ling was laughing at the call, blocking in a one on one contest. One goal taken off us. Then the 100 metre penalty and a goal to them.

Umpire 11 is either a Port supporter or just totally incompetent. I think he paid about 15 frees to Port and maybe 1 to us.

They had about 12 frees in front of goal for soft incidents and kicked about 6-7 from frees or 50's.

We couldn't buy one.

The West Coast game was also a disgrace.

The AFL should worry less about changing the game and more about the poor standard of umpiring.

I wonder if the umps were asking for signed port jumpers ????

[MurDoc516 1,303]

Now that i've calmed down and thought about everything. If we had Lever we win last night no problems. However even if we are full strength with our best 22 on the pitch, we are not good enough to win a flag. With the pace that the game is played at and the composure and skills needed i think we are two players short. 

 

I love Bernie, but you can't have both him and Lewis in the same team if you want to win a flag. Also at this time i think Lewis offers more and Bernie's deal is coming to an end. I think J. Smith has a long term future and should be Bernies replacement, not Levers.

 

ANB and Harmes [censored] me to tears. They preform so well for 6 weeks and then just do [censored] all the last two weeks. I knew the game was over when twice in the last qtr Harmes blazed away and kicked it to a port player instead of a melbourne. Both those kicks hit their targets we likely score and edge momentum back. ANB was invsible all night a part from his horrid goal effort in the first qtr.

 

Plenty of positives but. No where near our best 22 or even our best performance and we beat Port in every stat except the scoreboard which is mental when you think about it. Give port a bit of credit, they seem to be a decent side. They also have more experienc on Friday Night and we played them at the AO and had them beat. 

 

Also [censored] the umps.

[Dr. Gonzo 22,391]

35 minutes ago, picket fence said:

And again Viney , one trick pony! gets it first instinct is break a tackle, then just bomb it anywhere. Possesions count for zilch if you don't use the footy well which he doesn't!

Agree with above but for the life of me how many times has the ball hit the ground in dangerous places the last 4 weeks and No crumber??

Jeff Garlett simply has to play!

Viney was fantastic last night, tried to drag the team over the line through pure will. Give it a rest.

[Cheap Seats 3,300]

21 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Can't believe I did it, but I emailed Robbo at the Hun and told him to write what we all saw with the umpiring. It was disgraceful.

The Melksham decision was a disgrace and Ling was laughing at the call, blocking in a one on one contest. One goal taken off us. Then the 100 metre penalty and a goal to them.

Umpire 11 is either a Port supporter or just totally incompetent. I think he paid about 15 frees to Port and maybe 1 to us.

They had about 12 frees in front of goal for soft incidents and kicked about 6-7 from frees or 50's.

We couldn't buy one.

The West Coast game was also a disgrace.

The AFL should worry less about changing the game and more about the poor standard of umpiring.

Sums up my thoughts exactly

Im over the AFL it's a joke, between the inconsistent umpiring, the shiz fixturing and the AFL media, I honesty don't care about the AFL anymore.

On top of that the call for priority picks for 'bottom' clubs to help them or Slobbo going on about the state of the game because Carlton n Essendon are shiz, I've had a gut full of the self love industry that is the AFL

And the AFL won't lift a finger on the inconsistent umping which isn't even inconsistent form game to game anymore but umpire to umpire in game. How can rules be made up in game? How can 4 free kicks be paid to port in a succession of 2 mins for trivial incidents and nothing get paid the other way?

It boggles my mind

Edited June 22, 2018 by Unleash Hell

[drysdale demon 4,143]

9 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Couple of years ago? You only signed up in April. Who were you before you became a poster from the Bellarine Peninsula? 

Don't have to log in to read the posts on demonland, it is called a guest.

[beelzebub 22,225]

Its lamentable that it's almost a justifiable critique that the Umps  cost us the game. They did make it akin to pushing manure uphill for sure but I'm not going to hang that above the mantle as to the how or how not of winning.

The blame lies, for mine , squarely upon a number of players who's skills seemingly deserted them for unknown reasons as well as a few playing with attributes reminding me of the Wizard of Oz...ie playing with no brain, no heart and no courage.

Had they not...and played as they could/should then we would have won.

No point blaming what we can't change when there's things we can.

[Undeeterred 2,816]

10 hours ago, layzie said:

Do you think it’s fair when Wingard holds it for a split second and gets a mark paid while Brayshaw does the same thing and isn’t? Or when Wingard flops and gets high tackle free kick after high tackle free kick but when Melksham cops one high inside 50 play on?

Do you think Bernie accidentally raising his arm and touching Rockliff’s face who wasn’t even in possession and getting a high tackle free is fair? 

I respect your opinion but I could go on with these..

 

 

 

Jordan Lewis getting whiplash 40 out in the last few minutes from someone smacking him on the head.

[drysdale demon 4,143]

2 minutes ago, MurDoc516 said:

Now that i've calmed down and thought about everything. If we had Lever we win last night no problems. However even if we are full strength with our best 22 on the pitch, we are not good enough to win a flag. With the pace that the game is played at and the composure and skills needed i think we are two players short. 

 

I love Bernie, but you can't have both him and Lewis in the same team if you want to win a flag. Also at this time i think Lewis offers more and Bernie's deal is coming to an end. I think J. Smith has a long term future and should be Bernies replacement, not Levers.

 

ANB and Harmes [censored] me to tears. They preform so well for 6 weeks and then just do [censored] all the last two weeks. I knew the game was over when twice in the last qtr Harmes blazed away and kicked it to a port player instead of a melbourne. Both those kicks hit their targets we likely score and edge momentum back. ANB was invsible all night a part from his horrid goal effort in the first qtr.

 

Plenty of positives but. No where near our best 22 or even our best performance and we beat Port in every stat except the scoreboard which is mental when you think about it. Give port a bit of credit, they seem to be a decent side. They also have more experienc on Friday Night and we played them at the AO and had them beat. 

 

Also [censored] the umps.

Fully agree, we unfortunately are not quite there with our list at the moment.

[Undeeterred 2,816]

10 hours ago, Jaded said:

And not for the first time this year we lose games at selection. 

We went too small down back and too tall up forward. I get the need to have a backup for Gawn, but gees to drop Spargo and not bring in Garlett is just making an already slow team slower. 

I think Joel Smith is doing really well, but Lewis and Vince down back are destroying my soul. They are good footy users and they give us maturity, but they run in mud. Sooooo slow. Why don’t they give Stretch a go at Vince’s role? 

We simply cannot keep playing both. Tyson had a chance at redemption and blew it. Trac is giving us nothing. Hogan missing in action. Neal Bullen and Harmes lack of composure is another team killer.

I would have loved to see Salem take the wing in the last. Help us get the ball inside 50 with some finess. Clearly the focus this week was “see ball, win clearance, smash ball forward”. Great in theory, awful in practice. We wasted so many opportunities because apart from Melksham, nobody lowers their eyes going inside 50. It’s bomb central, with not a single crumber inside. The mind boggles. 

When it boils down to it, really the difference in the last was one mark to Dixon on the line, which was just bad planning, and an idiotic 50m from Oscar when he was nowhere near the ball. I don't think we were too small for the most part - but we did lose it in critical moments when big guys stood up for them

[Dr. Gonzo 22,391]

1 minute ago, Undeeterred said:

When it boils down to it, really the difference in the last was one mark to Dixon on the line, which was just bad planning, and an idiotic 50m from Oscar when he was nowhere near the ball. I don't think we were too small for the most part - but we did lose it in critical moments when big guys stood up for them

That 50 against Oscar was ludicrous, can't blame him for competing there.

[Undeeterred 2,816]

10 hours ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

OK.  Haven't read the thread but I have a pretty good idea of what's on here. 

The Umpires annoy the hell out of me, and I honestly thought they were OK for most of the game.  It's like they got told off at half time and changed tack to make things easier for Port.  Tat being said, they did not cost us the game. 

What did cost us the game is the fact that we ad ore inside 50's than we had points scored.  We scored from a pathetic 30.7% of forward 50 entries.  That is a direct result of reverting to high directionless bombs rather than trying to actually hit targets.  We cost ourselves the win by refusing to pass the damn ball and instead just banging in the high bomb and hoping someone could take a spekkie. 

Well, they did. Because if they literally just blew the game 50/50, we would have won easily no matter how many times we just bombed into a pack. 

It's just not acceptable for umpires to have any influence whatsoever.

[Mickey 4,172]

27 minutes ago, Marco said:

Can you also pls see if McDonald is on the flight following his precautionary hospital visit after the game.

I'm amazed he came back on. The footage of him on the ground either spitting or vomiting blood was shocking. It didn't look like 'bite your tongue' blood, it was seriously thick, dark blood.

[Dee Zephyr 17,296]

1 minute ago, Mickey said:

I'm amazed he came back on. The footage of him on the ground either spitting or vomiting blood was shocking. It didn't look like 'bite your tongue' blood, it was seriously thick, dark blood.

Was that a fair hit? Haven’t gone back to watch the incident but it looked like he was hit away from the ball. 

[Demons11 6,404]

1 hour ago, picket fence said:

And again Viney , one trick pony! gets it first instinct is break a tackle, then just bomb it anywhere. Possesions count for zilch if you don't use the footy well which he doesn't!

Agree with above but for the life of me how many times has the ball hit the ground in dangerous places the last 4 weeks and No crumber??

Jeff Garlett simply has to play!

You are kidding yourself mate, without Viney they lose by 6 goals.

He was enormous last night 

[Demons11 6,404]

15 minutes ago, Mickey said:

I'm amazed he came back on. The footage of him on the ground either spitting or vomiting blood was shocking. It didn't look like 'bite your tongue' blood, it was seriously thick, dark blood.

Just saw O Mac, he is on the plane 

[Brownie 5,119]

13 minutes ago, Dee Zephyr said:

Was that a fair hit? Haven’t gone back to watch the incident but it looked like he was hit away from the ball. 

Yep it was fair. Very solid hip and shoulder caught Tom square in the chest as a shepherd. 

We are in some strife if Jetta and Tom don't pull up.