Post Match Discussion - Round 14

[Jaded No More 57,630]

1 minute ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

Small down back was not the problem. Inability for forwards to spread and us to bomb  long was. Possibly not having a crumb to duo with Hannan ( who had 5 shots on goal) was.  

Perhaps, but I felt our backline runners like Hibbo were too busy defending talls and too easily isolated away from the contest, because we knew we were too short down there. Jetta is a damn marvel though. 

Hannan had a few shots on goal from marks. He isn’t really a crumber in my opinion. We need a speedy goal sneak. Garlett needed to play or Spargo needed to stay. It was always going to be a contested battle so not sure why we didn’t go with a smaller fleet of forwards like the last few weeks. 

[Watts Jurrah Dunn? 735]

6 minutes ago, Dappa Dan said:

No offense, but that's daft. JKH has shown nothing and is on the chopping block unfortunately. Spargo likes to go but he's a kid and would have been eaten alive. Garlett hasn't played a meaningful minute in AFL or VFL in months.

This was a game for mature bodies. Tyson and Harmes are at least mature. We lost, but it wasn't because of coaching decisions.

We lost it due to a lack of skill going inside 50 and non-existent crumbing options once it was in there.

10 inside midfielders was too many. 

[DistrACTION Jackson 6,388]

1 minute ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

Show me once you add petty or frost next week the match ups vs StKilda. I look forward to reviewing them. 

Good game to debut Petty as it hopefully won't be as hot as tonight's game. 

I would be happy to drop Vince for Petty. 

[Wiseblood 24,636]

4 minutes ago, Watts Jurrah Dunn? said:

Great touch against who? How's he played against Geelong, Richmond, Hawthorn, Collingwood and Port?

Up to this point he's just a flat track bully who beats up on the bottom 6 sides. 

Hardly.  Against the Tigers, for example, he had 22 touches, 9 marks and kicked 2 goals.  Fair night for a key forward.  He had 24 touches against the Hawks as well.

He's had some down games this year, but on the whole it's been a good return for a bloke who missed the majority of 2017.  You potting the bloke is pretty [censored] poor to be honest.

[DistrACTION Jackson 6,388]

1 minute ago, Jaded said:

Perhaps, but I felt our backline runners like Hibbo were too busy defending talls and too easily isolated away from the contest, because we knew we were too short down there. Jetta is a damn marvel though. 

Hannan had a few shots on goal from marks. He isn’t really a crumber in my opinion. We need a speedy goal sneak. Garlett needed to play or Spargo needed to stay. It was always going to be a contested battle so not sure why we didn’t go with a smaller fleet of forwards like the last few weeks. 

I agree Jaded. Hibberd was our best rebounder last year. This year he is way off that form.

[rjay 23,858]

44 minutes ago, P-man said:

Continually bombing it in or kicking to an outnumber. 

Not just to an outnumber but we also didn't kick to advantage of our outnumbered 'P-man'.

[jumbo returns 6,484]

12 minutes ago, FireInTheBelly said:

How do we fix it?

A bit more time and experience

Don't get flogged ala Pies last week

Play hard, close games and snag a few

[stranga 328]

7 minutes ago, Watts Jurrah Dunn? said:

Great touch against who? How's he played against Geelong, Richmond, Hawthorn, Collingwood and Port?

Up to this point he's just a flat track bully who beats up on the bottom 6 sides. 

You speak a lot of sense tonight 

[ProperDee 1,698]

25 minutes ago, Optimus D said:

Another opportunity lost, and will continue to miss out on others until we get some A grade players into the side with the polish and finishing skills to make an impact.

Petracca has polish. It’s a pity that he uses it on himself though. 

[John Crow Batty 8,222]

Just now, jumbo returns said:

A bit more time and experience

Don't get flogged ala Pies last week

Play hard, close games and snag a few

When was the last time we snagged a close one? 

[olisik 4,060]

Tom Brown asked Goodwin what he thought about lop sided free kick count in the presser.

Good to see the media calling it out

Edited June 22, 2018 by olisik

[bing181 8,149]

14 minutes ago, FireInTheBelly said:

How do we fix it?

We don't. It fixes itself - with experience.

We have 8 players on the list with more than 100 games. Port have 17.

[Lil_red_fire_engine 10,132]

8 minutes ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

OK.  Haven't read the thread but I have a pretty good idea of what's on here. 

The Umpires annoy the hell out of me, and I honestly thought they were OK for most of the game.  It's like they got told off at half time and changed tack to make things easier for Port.  Tat being said, they did not cost us the game. 

What did cost us the game is the fact that we ad ore inside 50's than we had points scored.  We scored from a pathetic 30.7% of forward 50 entries.  That is a direct result of reverting to high directionless bombs rather than trying to actually hit targets.  We cost ourselves the win by refusing to pass the damn ball and instead just banging in the high bomb and hoping someone could take a spekkie. 

PIN IT and close the thread. 

[Watts Jurrah Dunn? 735]

4 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Hardly.  Against the Tigers, for example, he had 22 touches, 9 marks and kicked 2 goals.  Fair night for a key forward.  He had 24 touches against the Hawks as well.

He's had some down games this year, but on the whole it's been a good return for a bloke who missed the majority of 2017.  You potting the bloke is pretty [censored] poor to be honest.

All I remember of him in the Richmond game was the around-the-body snap he went for late in the 3rd quarter from 35m directly in front, which should have been a set shop drop punt, that missed and sapped all our momentum. Again it's a goal that I expect my $800k a year forwards to kick.

I don't accept this stuff because it's mediocrity. Big dollars, big matches, big moments, little return. 

[DemonLad5 1,637]

Shouldn’t we be fresh coming off a bye? 2 points in the last quarter is pathetic 

[rolling fog 1,146]

7 minutes ago, ProperDee said:

Petracca has polish. It’s a pity that he uses it on himself though. 

Never a truer word

[jumbo returns 6,484]

6 minutes ago, america de cali said:

When was the last time we snagged a close one? 

That's the point....

[PJ_12345 1,098]

8 minutes ago, Skuit said:

Not sure I understand the connection PJ. A team can play with intensity without the polish. 

On that note, we did lack composure going inside-50 on occasion - but the game was so tight and contested in the packs that it almost felt like a wet-weather match at times (in which we've previously been poor) - with players bashing it forward to the next contest at every opportunity.

We had a bit more clear ball going inside-50 but couldn't switch mindset/approach when needed - not a huge cross in the context. Still a lot of split contests - just lacked sufficient clean crumbing. Garlett, as has been mentioned, may have helped. Fritsch and Hannan are small-percentage opportunists - some weeks they'll hit and others not. ANB and Melksham too. 

Skuit - there is only one intensity, and thats score board! Goaless for 30 minutes isnt good enough. We looked flat footed 5 minutes into the last.

I liked Fritsch, and Hannan played well too. 

Where we lowered the eyes and found players we did well. 

All in all, we just werent good enough. 

[PJ_12345 1,098]

5 minutes ago, olisik said:

Tom Brown asked Goodwin what he thought about lop sided free kick count in the presser.

Good to see the media calling it out

What was the response?

Edit: spelling

Edited June 22, 2018 by PJ_12345

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

13 minutes ago, Watts Jurrah Dunn? said:

We lost it due to a lack of skill going inside 50 and non-existent crumbing options once it was in there.

10 inside midfielders was too many. 

In hindsight, maybe. And that's a BIG maybe. Leading into the game we had the #1 scoring offence in the league, but had lost back to back games in the clearances by so much it was ridiculous. Goody's changes had the desired effect. Smashed the clearances, but the forwards who up til then had been dominant, went missing.

My point is you can't crack the [censored] at selection when they're picking the in form players, putting out spot fires and doing it effectively. Noone in the league right now would have imagined the demons would score under 90 points against that mob. The selections were fine. We were beaten on the day by a pretty good team playing at home with massive crowd help and umpire bias. 

Edited June 22, 2018 by Dappa Dan

[Earl Hood 5,787]

Powell pepper was good though, 17 tackles and 29 kidney punches is a club record apparently. 

[Wiseblood 24,636]

4 minutes ago, Watts Jurrah Dunn? said:

All I remember of him in the Richmond game was the around-the-body snap he went for late in the 3rd quarter from 35m directly in front, which should have been a set shop drop punt, that missed and sapped all our momentum. Again it's a goal that I expect my $800k a year forwards to kick.

I don't accept this stuff because it's mediocrity. Big dollars, big matches, big moments, little return. 

Ah, so you're one of those supporters who focuses on one negative thing but forgets the rest?  That's all I need to know.

[dees189227 10,700]

5 minutes ago, olisik said:

Tom Brown asked Goodwin what he thought about lop sided free kick count in the presser.

Good to see the media calling it out

He was about to ask Goodwin about hogan and they cut it off

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

2 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

That's the point....

(when was the last time we snagged a close one)

I thought at many times in the last quarter it felt like WC over there last year. In and around the byes. Tough, physical contest. Lots at stake. 5-8 type team. Felt like we couldn't win it in the last quarter and then, somehow, we did...

This time we didn't... but I dunno if it was THAT dissimilar. Lots to like in this game, unlike the Tigers, Hawks and Pies games.

[Earl Hood 5,787]

2 minutes ago, PJ_12345 said:

What was temhe response?

He put it back to the journos what did they think, then trotted out the diplomatic line about it being a tough job etc and it wasn’t the difference....