Casey Demons v Coburg - VFL Round 12

[Satyriconhome 9,982]

2 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Yeh we will. By continually adding to and tweaking our list. 

Players like Gaff will help. Overlap run is a super important skill and would help immensely in our quest to move the ball more freely and effeciently. 

Keep living in the Neeld era though mate, it's done your reputation wonders. 

Gaff has wilted under pressure the last couple of weeks, will not change my opinion of him

Reputations on an online Public Forum, now that is funny

[mauriesy 6,787]

7 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Gaff has wilted under pressure the last couple of weeks, will not change my opinion of him

Reputations on an online Public Forum, now that is funny

In the last two matches, Gaff had 24 possessions against the Swans and 32 against the Bombers (easily the Eagles highest possession winner).

Hardly "wilting under pressure"

[Satyriconhome 9,982]

26 minutes ago, mauriesy said:

In the last two matches, Gaff had 24 possessions against the Swans and 32 against the Bombers (easily the Eagles highest possession winner).

Hardly "wilting under pressure"

He did nothing with them, no impact whatsoever, an accumulator, he is the latest messiah on here, get him in all will change

Edited June 24, 2018 by Satyriconhome

[Drunkn167 5,093]

1 hour ago, WERRIDEE said:

What happened to Keilty and Scott Drunkn?

Don’t know about Scott but Keilty had a really bad Cold throughout the week (they even sent him home Tuesday) but he’ll be right for next round

[Willmoy1947 3,769]

12 tackes on Pepper by Bugg yesterday would have done just fine, plus a little return ear whispering........

[DV8 2,271]

7 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

The stats ~

Oskar Baker 1 goal 6 kicks 7 handballs 13 disposals 1 marks 3 tackles 49 dream team points

Harley Balic 7 kicks 10 handballs 17 disposals 8 tackles 69 dream team points

Tomas Bugg 15 kicks 12 handballs 27 disposals 3 marks 12 tackles 125 dream team points

Sam Frost 11 kicks 4 handballs 15 disposals 8 marks 1 tackle 69 dream team points 

Jeff Garlett 1 goal 7 kicks 5 handballs 12 disposals 1 marks 4 tackles 56 dream team points 

Mitch Gent 6 kicks 3 handballs 9 disposals 2 marks 1 tackle 34 dream team points

Jack Hutchins 3 goals 2 behinds 9 kicks 3 handballs 12 disposals 3 marks 5 tackles 82 dream team points 

Dion Johnstone 8 kicks 11 handballs 19 disposals 1 mark 4 tackles 66 dream team points 

Jay Kennedy Harris 1 goal 17 kicks 10 handballs 27 disposals 6 marks 5 tackles 116 dream team points

Mitchell King 2 kicks 6 handballs 8 disposals 1 tackle 32 hit outs 53 dream team point

Mykleti Lefau 1 behind 5 kicks 3 handballs 8 disposals 2 marks 8 tackles 11 hit outs 71 dream team points 

Jay Lockhart 4 kicks 6 handballs 10 disposals 2 marks 3 tackles 42 dream team points 

Goy Lok 1 behind 12  kicks 11 handballs 23 disposals 1 mark 9 tackles 97 dream team points

Corey Machaya 6 kicks 11 handballs 17 disposals 1 mark 6 tackles 67 dream team points

James Munro 7 handballs 9 disposals 1 mark 5 tackles 61 dream team points 

Cameron Pedersen 5 kicks 10 handballs 15 disposals 1 mark 1 tackle 39 dream team points  

Harrison Petty 4 kicks 4 handballs 8 disposals 3 marks 1 tackle 31 dream team points  

Charlie Spargo 9 kicks 10 handballs 19 disposals 1 mark 9 tackles 88 dream team points

Corey Stockdale 1 goals 2 behind 6 kicks 5 handballs 11 disposals 2 marks 5 tackles 59 dream team points

Billy Stretch 2 goals 13 kicks 11 handballs 24 disposals 3 marks 5 tackles 103 dream team points

Corey Wagner 1 behind 14 kicks 9 handballs 23 disposals 2 marks 10 tackles 95 dream team points

Josh Wagner 12 kicks 9 handballs 21 disposals 1 marks 6 tackles 78 dream team points

Sam Weideman 7 goals 14 kicks 5 handballs 19 disposals 9 marks 3 tackles 5 hit outs 139 dream team points

 

Weideman 139 points

Buggy 125 points

[DV8 2,271]

12 hours ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

A brother I believe. 

 

really... interesting.

[DV8 2,271]

6 hours ago, Demonland said:

If Weideman was putting on a master class up forward, Frost was doing likewise down back. He was the pick of the defenders ahead of youngster Harry Petty and Josh Wagner but one needs to temper that against the fact that the opposition is a struggling as a stand alone in the VFL.

I wonder if Frost could play that Wing role, that TMc's been playing?

If he's being mobile and attacking, and taking strong marks around the ground, he could try the wing role,,, and also the 2nd ruck role, from the wing.

 

That leaves us with the Weide and TMc.   If Weide comes in to partner Hogan, then TMc would be more than adept at CHB.

Edited June 24, 2018 by DV8

[Willmoy1947 3,769]

37 minutes ago, DV8 said:

 

Weideman 139 points

Buggy 125 points

Two of the most maligned staking their claims for their future AFL places

[monoccular 16,042]

13 hours ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

A brother I believe. (Lever)

 

Any good or even a prospect?

4 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Which are a different group from the Demonland serial whingers and whiners, we are a good team, but all teams have ups and downs, we will get there, we just didn't lower the eyes going into the 50 on Friday, an easy fix, like the clearances which we fixed

We have also beaten Adelaide away from the G this year as well

 

4 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Of course it is an easy fix, we were doing it in the 6 games we won on the bounce, we just got back to the old habit of bombing to a contest, even our good ball users did it, already spoken to a player, they were disappointed in that facet of the game, when it is drummed into them to lower the eyes and only bomb when necessary

If such an “easy fix”’then why haven’t we fixed it over weeks or even at quarter and half time last Friday?   Can’t be that easy after all. 

2 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

He seems the likely replacement for Jetta doesn't he?

Johnstone has a way to go but no doubt has mutual respect with Nev who appears to have taken him on as a project.  Reading of Nev and Dion doing extra defensive drills after training enormously increases my respect for and confidence in both of them. 

I admit to having Dion down amongst the first ‘delist’ even a month or so back but not now.  Humble pie in this case would taste delicious. 

[Satyriconhome 9,982]

7 minutes ago, monoccular said:

Any good or even a prospect?

 

If such an “easy fix”’then why haven’t we fixed it over weeks or even at quarter and half time last Friday?   Can’t be that easy after all. 

Johnstone has a way to go but no doubt has mutual respect with Nev who appears to have taken him on as a project.  Reading of Nev and Dion doing extra defensive drills after training enormously increases my respect for and confidence in both of them. 

I admit to having Dion down amongst the first ‘delist’ even a month or so back but not now.  Humble pie in this case would taste delicious. 

We were put under a bit of pressure and bombed away, Goodwin will reset, we got smashed in the clearances for two weeks and fixed that, not sure which bit some don't get that we are still a work in progress and constant tinkering is called for

[RalphiusMaximus 5,993]

1 hour ago, DV8 said:

really... interesting.

Not THAT interesting. 

Profile. 

[Miracle 89]

19 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

I say Mr Miracle, Pedo has played as a defender previously for MFC, perhaps as a 'new' supporter you didn't see those games

Or you are just talking out of somewhere else. It is another posters opinion

Perhaps it is Rawlings seeing what Hutchins can offer up front should he be short a tall like he has been for a few games this season, my opinion

You have not been following dees for long. 

New supporters like you should READ report on game where they state Casey was told to play Pedo in defence in case he is required by dees. 

This verifies my comments  

 

[Satyriconhome 9,982]

42 minutes ago, Miracle said:

You have not been following dees for long. 

New supporters like you should READ report on game where they state Casey was told to play Pedo in defence in case he is required by dees. 

This verifies my comments  

 

Didn't actually say that, it was an assumption as I read it, Pedo has played in defence before, so they know what he brings, watched him quite a few times over the last few years

[Redleg 37,556]

4 hours ago, Vogon Poetry said:

Just a quick shout out to Dion Johnstone who I thought was nice and solid down back.  I'd written this kid off after the first period of the season where he played forward but moving him back has been a really good outcome.  He's showing clean hands, good decision making and his kicking is very strong.  And he's tough.

 

You have probably seen more of Dion than I have this year, so I accept your optimism in him. I personally haven't seen it yet. Hope you are right though and he becomes a good player for us.

[Redleg 37,556]

6 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

 

It is black and white, we went back to the old habit of bombing it in, from pressure and perceived pressure, we learn from it, players will get better under pressure

 

I disagree with your suggestion that we will learn from it and then the problem is fixed.

We have a deficiency in skill which is highlighted against the better teams. You don't just "learn from it" and suddenly become skillful. That is ridiculous to suggest.

If I spoke to Goodwin I am pretty confident he would acknowledge a lack of" great users of the ball and pace."

Do we find loose targets and hit them inside the F50 when we play good sides? Obviously not often enough to win. That is the problem. We know that is the problem as we have seen it so many times over the last couple of years. 

What do we do to fix the problem? We don't just rely on learning from it, we bring in players with the required skill set or develop our own who have them,but might not be getting a game.

To say the answer is to " learn from it" is to use your words "twaddle".

Edited June 24, 2018 by Redleg

[Vogon Poetry 2,095]

28 minutes ago, Redleg said:

You have probably seen more of Dion than I have this year, so I accept your optimism in him. I personally haven't seen it yet. Hope you are right though and he becomes a good player for us.

I’ve seen attributes Red and I’ve seen significant improvement. He’s gone from “gone” to “undecided” for me. I do have some optimism but I wouldn’t confuse that for conviction. 

Edited June 24, 2018 by Vogon Poetry

[Bonkers 914]

On 6/23/2018 at 4:10 PM, DeeSpencer said:

Do we drop Hogan? That would be bold but I'd support it if the coaches wanted to fire him up.

Hogan has been in all Australian form up to the game against Port. You'd support dropping him off one bad game ?

[wizardinoz 2,015]

2 hours ago, Miracle said:

You have not been following dees for long. 

New supporters like you should READ report on game where they state Casey was told to play Pedo in defence in case he is required by dees. 

This verifies my comments  

 

What is this report you are referring to?

[Ethan Tremblay 28,358]

I’m not getting involved in the squabble but I read the below this morning, this may be what @Miracle is referring to. 

http://m.melbournefc.com.au/news/2018-06-24/casey-make-it-six-in-row

In a structural change, skipper Jack Hutchins pushed forward to help out Weideman and did so with three goals, while experienced utility Cameron Pedersen played in defence.

“The (Melbourne) coaches came to me and asked if Pedo could play back because there’s a shortage of talls in the AFL team at the moment,” Rawlings said.

“So we just wanted to explore what we’ve got on our list.”

Edited June 24, 2018 by Ethan Tremblay

[Redleg 37,556]

18 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I’m not getting involved in the squabble but I read the below this morning, this may be what @Miracle is referring to. 

http://m.melbournefc.com.au/news/2018-06-24/casey-make-it-six-in-row

In a structural change, skipper Jack Hutchins pushed forward to help out Weideman and did so with three goals, while experienced utility Cameron Pedersen played in defence.

“The (Melbourne) coaches came to me and asked if Pedo could play back because there’s a shortage of talls in the AFL team at the moment,” Rawlings said.

“So we just wanted to explore what we’ve got on our list.”

Well we haven't added to it on his performance.

[dimmy 1,114]

4 hours ago, DV8 said:

I wonder if Frost could play that Wing role, that TMc's been playing?

If he's being mobile and attacking, and taking strong marks around the ground, he could try the wing role,,, and also the 2nd ruck role, from the wing.

 

That leaves us with the Weide and TMc.   If Weide comes in to partner Hogan, then TMc would be more than adept at CHB.

I am sorry ,but your suggestion of making Tmac a CHB goes against one of the tenets of our current improvement.

The combination of Hogan and him is our strength at the moment.

The game on Friday night has been hailed as one of the best of the season because of its intensity and pressure. There is a vast differnece in playing in that environment and a game against a lower VFL side.

The weakness from us on Friday was twofold :

• Bombing into fwd line especially in first half. DId the I50 stats good ,but only provided and a launching pad for PA
• Not paying the umpires the required amount.

[Slartibartfast 15,758]

32 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

@Miracle“The (Melbourne) coaches came to me and asked if Pedo could play back because there’s a shortage of talls in the AFL team at the moment,” Rawlings said.

 

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That's bad news for Keilty, Petty and Frost.  I would have thought there was no shortage of talls KPB on the list.

[monoccular 16,042]

3 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

We were put under a bit of pressure and bombed away, Goodwin will reset, we got smashed in the clearances for two weeks and fixed that, not sure which bit some don't get that we are still a work in progress and constant tinkering is called for

I sincerely hope that he hasn’t just thought of that!

We have dominated I 50 in at least the past two rounds especially early and have failed in both.  

If “Goodwin will reset” why hasn’t there been any change?

I suspect it will take more list changes NB quick and skilled outsiders and yet another pre season.

[Binmans PA 25,997]

7 hours ago, Vogon Poetry said:

Just a quick shout out to Dion Johnstone who I thought was nice and solid down back.  I'd written this kid off after the first period of the season where he played forward but moving him back has been a really good outcome.  He's showing clean hands, good decision making and his kicking is very strong.  And he's tough.

In our list strategy, we need to recognize that we will be a serious footy team over the next 5 years or so.  Players like Lewis, Vince, Jetta and Jones (who will likely go back as his career lengthens) will leave.  We won't want to bring inexperienced young players over this period.  Dion is shaping as a good long-term replacement for one and will come in with 50 or so VFL games under his belt and at a good age. It's early days but I like what I'm seeing.

I'm also encouraged with Bill Stretch's form.  If he can carry his VFL attributes to AFL level he'll be a very useful player to have on the list.

If you're right, VP, it sounds like the club are utilising the Casey system just as clubs did 25-30 years ago (think Hawthorn). Develop guys like Johnstone and Petty for as long as possible at Casey, rather than rushing them into the AFL system. Of course, it helps when your recruitment enables you to give these younger guys the time they need to improve their individual games at the lower level.

I think it bodes well for our future though. Need to keep Jason Taylor for as long as possible too.

EDIT. Given the MFC coaches asked Rawlings to play Pedo back with a view to playing him there next week, I'd say the FD's thinking is let Petty develop at VFL level for as long as possible. This, despite our clear lack of tall KPBs in the AFL team.

Unfortunately, I'd say they'll go with Pedo next week instead of Harry. I hope I'm wrong.

I do love how we're using our Casey system though. Finally, a professional football club.

Edited June 24, 2018 by A F