Perspective

[DubDee 20,531]

I know it is probably a bit early for this thread so feel free to keep venting, but I thought I would highlight the following for some perspective.

Total games played:

Oliver - 47

Salem - 56

Petracca - 50

Hogan - 63

Brayshaw - 45

O Mac - 49

Lever - 67

Like it or not, the reality is these guys are inexperienced and will be inconsistent - aside from the freak that is Clarry.  We could fluke a flag in the next 2 years but going by past trends, we should be a consistent strong team from around 2 years time when our talented core is around 100 games.  Just look at our main consistent performers: Gawn (86 games), Jetta (128) and T Mac (133)

Collingwood should be performing better, their best players are all in the sweet spot of experience and that experience showed yesterday.

All is not lost, we just need to keep improving.  Beat port and get the season on track again.

[tiers 2,761]

The late Dean Bailey said (paraphrasing liberally) that, for success, a team needs to play at least 70 games together as a group.

Brendan McCartney believes that it takes 5 years to make a complete AFL standard footballer.

As long as we can keep this group together,  I reckon that 2020 is the year when both threads come together.

I am prepared to be patient even though I have been waiting since 64.

[Pennant St Dee 11,256]

Forget this common sense and logic, Deelanders demand success now the fact the current build started in 2013 is irrelevant to them

Haven't you heard

54 years of mediocrity 

186 loss to the Cats

Jones isn't a leader

Toumpas over Wines

Clarrie over Parish (after the Round 2, 2016 loss)

Jetta was a dud and should have been delisted

Omac. see above

I could go on but those with some forsight can see the pieces coming together. No quick fix, still some bumps to come

[doug williams 49]

what point are you making here?

it's pages of negatives after this loss but we still manged to score 91 points by kicking 14 goals 7 behinds so that is a positive to take out of it.

[DubDee 20,531]

1 hour ago, doug williams said:

what point are you making here?

it's pages of negatives after this loss but we still manged to score 91 points by kicking 14 goals 7 behinds so that is a positive to take out of it.

my point is that our best players and core group that will eventually be our best chance of success are all around the 50 game mark.  Inconsistency is to be expected once we are improving overall. I'm telling myself this so I don't get too angry about yesterday!

we are set up for success much more than the pies in my opinion. their defence is poor and they lack tall fwds.

[dimmy 1,114]

1 hour ago, doug williams said:

what point are you making here?

it's pages of negatives after this loss but we still manged to score 91 points by kicking 14 goals 7 behinds so that is a positive to take out of it.

Agree. And we felt we got belted !!!

We are lauded as a VG Contested ball side. We moved into next step recently by moving ball away i.e. clearances per Gus and Salem.  The time is to expand it against good sides playing well.

Need to spread from see ball get ball to see ball( viney, Oliverl get ball (Oliver, Jones) , use ball (Salem, Brayshaw).

The sky is the limit !!!

[Gorgoroth 12,308]

2 hours ago, Pennant St Dee said:

 

Jetta was a dud and should have been delisted

 

Jetta was a dud. And was delisted.

He adapted and took on a new role and has thrived. 

[Young Blood 1,985]

In relation to perspective and games played wanted to mention here we also have quite a few players under 15 games:

Bailey - 11

Spargo - 7

Joel Smith - 4

[Pennant St Dee 11,256]

5 hours ago, Gorgoroth said:

Jetta was a dud. And was delisted.

He adapted and took on a new role and has thrived. 

Jetta was never a dud or they wouldn't have re listed him as a rookie.

Always played with hardness and discipline

[dieter 3,325]

Jordan Lewis put things into perspective when he said sides learn more from losses than from wins. He also mentioned that the Hawks lost a few games by ten goals just before finals when they won flags. 

Have faith, my friends, we have lost one game in the past seven. Yes, Collingwood wiped us, but as Tom Mc said, it could have been, and was very often, worse. 

There is a great saying in literature, Homer nods... 

[buck_nekkid 5,465]

Perspective:  the Tigers lost on the weekend too

[joeboy 2,772]

Other clubs will note that applying ‘full court press’ will lead us to crumble like little boys.. we’ve done it for years , and nothing shown this year yet has proved otherwise

[Cards13 9,117]

6 minutes ago, joeboy said:

Other clubs will note that applying ‘full court press’ will lead us to crumble like little boys.. we’ve done it for years , and nothing shown this year yet has proved otherwise

That’s the journey the players and coaches are on, how do we break those shackles when teams bring the pressure like the Pies, Tigs and Hawks brought to bear. We haven’t cracked the code yet but on the weekend, for the first 3 qtrs I felt like we were close to doing so. 

More lessons learnt and work to be done, let’s hope they apply themselves to the task. 

[Dirts 429]

18 hours ago, DubDee said:

I know it is probably a bit early for this thread so feel free to keep venting, but I thought I would highlight the following for some perspective.

Total games played:

Oliver - 47

Salem - 56

Petracca - 50

Hogan - 63

Brayshaw - 45

O Mac - 49

Lever - 67

Like it or not, the reality is these guys are inexperienced and will be inconsistent - aside from the freak that is Clarry.  We could fluke a flag in the next 2 years but going by past trends, we should be a consistent strong team from around 2 years time when our talented core is around 100 games.  Just look at our main consistent performers: Gawn (86 games), Jetta (128) and T Mac (133)

Collingwood should be performing better, their best players are all in the sweet spot of experience and that experience showed yesterday.

All is not lost, we just need to keep improving.  Beat port and get the season on track again.

Fully agree. Speaking a hawks supporter who says d hawks at same stage we’re still getting panced weekly. 

The key for me is finding solid replacements for the older boys. Mature age types 24-27 to come in and take over from Vince etc. 

next year will be our year! As long as hogan stays. If not we will take freos 1st rounder 2nd rounder and a player of note.

 

still think weeds can be the key forward!

[Dirts 429]

18 hours ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Forget this common sense and logic, Deelanders demand success now the fact the current build started in 2013 is irrelevant to them

Haven't you heard

54 years of mediocrity 

186 loss to the Cats

Jones isn't a leader

Toumpas over Wines

Clarrie over Parish (after the Round 2, 2016 loss)

Jetta was a dud and should have been delisted

Omac. see above

I could go on but those with some forsight can see the pieces coming together. No quick fix, still some bumps to come

Yes Jetta a dud. All Australian squad last year and likely in all Australian team this year. If we had 27 other duds like him .......

we are a better team than last year and these young guys will get better