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5 hours ago, jumbo returns said:

Still miss #4

 

But, DeeSpencer, stop the personal stuff - critique the play

The hair is relevant. He spent all last year making sure it wasn't pulled out of place. Seems to have a stronger more reliable rug this year, I was hoping it would help his form. Look good, play good. He's not just a regular player, he's a player who does more media for the club than any other, a responsibility and a privilege. It also makes him harder to drop. AFL 360 probably don't want to hear from a Casey player every Tuesday night.

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4 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Once it was decided to play Tom Mc forward Lewis' job during the preseason was to tutor Lever.  Early this year Lewis said "One of the gaps was a little bit of leadership down back...That's not to say that I'll play there next year but certainly throughout the pre-season, I think I'll train the majority of the time in the backline."

 Once the season started, Lever was marshalling the backs under Lewis' wise eye - watching but not interfering (and I'm guessing there was a bit of post game debriefing). 

 Now that Lever is out the marshalling role has reverted to Lewis and he did a fine job of it yesterday.  Very obvious at the ground not sure if so obvious on tv.

 Yes, Lewis' weaknesses will be exposed but every player has some and every opp coach will work to exploit them.  Lewis has more positives than negatives so for me he stays until Lever returns.

@DeeSpenceryou are a fine reporter of training sessions and they are much appreciated.  From what you've seen if Lewis is dropped who takes over the marshalling role? 

Really, I thought yesterday under pressure in the first quarter the backs were incredibly slow to set up with a number of stoppages in Collingwood's forward line. 

In fact I think they got one or two goals from forward stoppages when it wasn't right in the first 20 minutes.

The backs also failed at spreading quickly and encouraging the switch. 

Hibberd and Salem are the two players I'd have in charge. I'd use them to get Joel Smith and (if it were me) Petty lined up correctly. Probably room for one of Lewis or Vince still as we don't have a lot of obvious inclusions so no doubt that experience is valuable but a 30+ year old guy shouldn't be in charge of the show, there's enough others who have played plenty of footy. And surely Oscar and Jetta don't need to be told what to do, they've been playing back in this system for the longest? 

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5 hours ago, layzie said:

Who are the replacements for Lewis and Vince though? Grape said it on the podcast a few weeks ago and he was right. We ideally would have other guys there but we don't have the guys who are ready to be those composed and steady BP/HBF types. Wanna throw Wagner into that role? Sure, its your funeral. 

I've actually liked his year (outside of the Carlton game stinker) but there's very little composed about Bernie Vince right now. He's just running around giving his best. So I wouldn't put him in the composure category.

Joel Smith played a fair game under immense pressure first up for the year and 3rd game overall. His spoils, smothers and tackles stood out. He'd made some blues with the good stuff but at 1/4 time he was probably the only defender who had broke even. Made some errors with his kicking but those are the kind of errors you cut out pretty easily with some more games and development. Harry Petty looks a natural, I'd love to see what he can do.

I think you can play those guys and they can fill roles as willing defenders and competitors. Composed ball use is vital. Jetta is great at it. Salem is the best user in the team and doesn't panic when faced with a contested ground ball. Oscar now has a steady kick. Hibberd when not trying to do too much is reliable. 

All of Harmes, Brayshaw and Fritsch could do the job and we could bring in another forward or mid if needed. Or Nath Jones. The high half back sweeper role is the easiest position in footy. The ball comes to you and you can use it in any direction. 

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4 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I've actually liked his year (outside of the Carlton game stinker) but there's very little composed about Bernie Vince right now. He's just running around giving his best. So I wouldn't put him in the composure category.

Joel Smith played a fair game under immense pressure first up for the year and 3rd game overall. His spoils, smothers and tackles stood out. He'd made some blues with the good stuff but at 1/4 time he was probably the only defender who had broke even. Made some errors with his kicking but those are the kind of errors you cut out pretty easily with some more games and development. Harry Petty looks a natural, I'd love to see what he can do.

I think you can play those guys and they can fill roles as willing defenders and competitors. Composed ball use is vital. Jetta is great at it. Salem is the best user in the team and doesn't panic when faced with a contested ground ball. Oscar now has a steady kick. Hibberd when not trying to do too much is reliable. 

All of Harmes, Brayshaw and Fritsch could do the job and we could bring in another forward or mid if needed. Or Nath Jones. The high half back sweeper role is the easiest position in footy. The ball comes to you and you can use it in any direction. 

A fair and thought out answer there. I agree Bernie has his moments but surely he hits more passes than he misses? I think the clangers just stick out because when they happen they are completely woeful. I'll admit this supports your argument somewhat.

I do agree that the high half back role is one of the easier positions, hence why so many guys retire there. I do see where you're coming from but I still feel Jordan is a required player.

 

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I really doubt the FD are going to replace Lewis or his role before the end of the season. I agree he looked off the pace yesterday and the style of game did not suit him one bit. His weaknesses were exposed by Collingwood but this was a result of our inability to slow them down. He wasn't given any time or space due to the lack of pressure applied by our midfield.

I listened to Lyon this morning say that Lewis has played well when Melbourne has been able to dictate the flow of the game. Same must be said for Vince. When we are in control they are key in controlling our ball movement across the backline/wing. When the opposition are going blitz attack like yesterday they are caught out of position with little leg speed to make up ground.

I guess my point is I think the FD are going to continue to take this risk. I think there are other teams that take the risk and rely on their best pressure backman (eg Jetta/Hibberd) to work hard around the contest and feed the ball to the best disposal players in Lewis/Vince/Salem.

The conversation will need to be had at seasons end who can step up into the Vince/Lewis roles. Right now there's no one with the combination of both the ball use/decision making and pace to put pressure on. Wagner is the only one close for mine. Would like to see Tyson and Hung clean up their disposal to become possible options down the line also.

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2 hours ago, demoniac said:

If you are not a key defender, and probably even if you are, if you are playing in defence you need to be able to ... rebound. 

Lewis provides neither.

WTF ... Lewis had more rebounds than any other player on the field.

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4 hours ago, TGR said:

Quote of the year.

Our biggest weakness is foot speed entering our D50 from a quick play.

 

The club either has the balls now to get games into Frost and Hunt, or go down in flames in finals with Lewis and Vince plodding.

bit hard considering hunt out for 6 weeks then a stint in the magoos

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2 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

The hair is relevant. He spent all last year making sure it wasn't pulled out of place. Seems to have a stronger more reliable rug this year, I was hoping it would help his form. Look good, play good. He's not just a regular player, he's a player who does more media for the club than any other, a responsibility and a privilege. It also makes him harder to drop. AFL 360 probably don't want to hear from a Casey player every Tuesday night.

You know where I'm coming from

Critique the play, the skills, etc etc, but leave the personal stuff out of it, please

Behaviours and actions

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20 hours ago, Stretch Johnson said:

Groupthink when 88% disagree?

 

15 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

No, he is part of a small group on here who love to criticise? But only in a pack, lacking an alpha male methinks

 

Ignore the troll, Stretch.

Saty loves to use the term 'group think'.  He must have used it 200 times on here.

It is his way of making himself feel better about knowing absolutely nothing about footy.   

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5 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

 

Ignore the troll, Stretch.

Saty loves to use the term 'group think'.  He must have used it 200 times on here.

It is his way of making himself feel better about knowing absolutely nothing about footy.   

I've used it 200 tomes because it occurs that often

Trolling is 'going the man' read what you wrote

In my opinion after both the Garlett and Lewis comments, it is you that has no idea

Garlett is struggling and was named in the best, hilarious

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Posted (edited)
56 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

I've used it 200 tomes because it occurs that often

Trolling is 'going the man' read what you wrote

In my opinion after both the Garlett and Lewis comments, it is you that has no idea

Garlett is struggling and was named in the best, hilarious

Keep toeing the company line.   

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On 6/11/2018 at 8:29 PM, dazzledavey36 said:

I'd be more concerned with Bernie Vince then Lewis.

Agreed I think poor Bv is a shadow of his previous form last year. 

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