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1 minute ago, Cards13 said:

He was very proppy throughout the second half. 

I thought something had poppped up after the game. 

Im assuming if he played out the 2nd half, he’ll be fine.  If not, then he is easily covered. 

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In J.Smith, Hunt and possibly Frost Out Lever,T.Smith and Someone else.

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On 6/3/2018 at 9:28 PM, Petraccattack said:

Hes way overdue for a big game.

Hasnt had one all season come to think of it.

He (Trac) has been good but not brilliant.  Maybe this round is his. 

On 6/3/2018 at 9:32 PM, John Demonic said:

Oh yeah I didn't mean a long amount of time, just more minutes than the past few matches. Throwing him in there for the start of the third or fourth with the scores tied is hopefully the stage where he'll step up and throw his weight around, burst through some tackles etc.

Cameo midfield appearances is where I see Trac best option but mainly half forward

On 6/3/2018 at 9:32 PM, SFebey said:

Yep, been stuck in second gear so far this season. Still waiting for that breakout game. Colin 2.0 so far

Blasphemy.   Trac has already done more than Col did in his hole career

On 6/3/2018 at 9:39 PM, A F said:

No IMO, this is because Frosty (and I'm a relative fan) doesn't read the game as well as Jake. Therefore, he doesn't get into the same spots to receive as Lever does.

Still, he's probably the first cab off the rank to replace Jake.

Just hope whoever gets the gig realises/ is told that someone needs to be back between the last opponents and the goal

1 hour ago, pineapple dee said:

We were found guilty of bringing the game into disrepute. Not quite so bad as tanking.

No. The architects of tanking get rewarded with a million prime time games. 

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What seems clear to me is that we will be trying to minimise positional changes. So someone is going to come in from Casey to play Lever's role. Whether that's Frost or Smith or Wagner or Hunt or someone else, I expect someone to get that role and Harmes to return to his normal role.

 

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7 hours ago, SFebey said:

Freo were without Ballantyne, Johnson, Matera, Hill, Pearce and Sandilands......

6 hours ago, SFebey said:

“Rested for tanking”

Nope, all bar Sandilands and Hill are out of form and completely past it as AFL footballers.

They are more competitive without them.

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What do people think of Fritsch playing in the Lever role.

He certainly has the marking ability and the speed. May just be a little new to the game to have the positioning skills.

That would open up up a spot for a wingman.... Stretch perhaps?

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2 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

What do people think of Fritsch playing in the Lever role.

He certainly has the marking ability and the speed. May just be a little new to the game to have the positioning skills.

That would open up up a spot for a wingman.... Stretch perhaps?

It's not completely absurd. He actually did a little bit of it on the weekend. Has the aerial ability, and can certainly read the play pretty well. His field kicking is superb too. Sadly though I think you'll find his frame won't be big enough for anything more than the odd cameo. He had to contend with Roughead, Schache and Boyd for goodness sake. It's a good point you make though... if he can help down back as a useful +1, then it gives Goody that much more flexibility with guys like Vince, Lewis, Harmes, Salem... Salem particularly delivering into forward fifty is very interesting to me.

But yeah. Getting moulded into a decent rebounding defender? If Howe can do it, Fritsch can.

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I also heard Melksham say in a presser that Tim Smith may  go back. He is a good one on one player and loves to tackle. Not overly tall but plays big. Could work in combo with Fritsch whose disposal from the backline would be a weapons.

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As Roos said on SEN, it's not going to happen that we are going to create two problems with one by moving players around to fill the hole left by Lever. Coming up with ideas such as Smith to go down back, Tmac to potentially cover back, Harmes, Fritsch etc is just robbing Peter to pay Paul. 

One of Pederson, Frost, Smith or Wagner will come in.

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On 6/3/2018 at 9:03 AM, Redleg said:

Think you are right. Frost also has the pace to make up ground, if he is slightly away from Cox and the ball is coming in high.

Another good point, Redleg; another one in an array of many. 

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27 minutes ago, juzzk1d said:

As Roos said on SEN, it's not going to happen that we are going to create two problems with one by moving players around to fill the hole left by Lever. Coming up with ideas such as Smith to go down back, Tmac to potentially cover back, Harmes, Fritsch etc is just robbing Peter to pay Paul. 

One of Pederson, Frost, Smith or Wagner will come in.

We would have to listen to the Master, Roos, when it comes to a defensive set-up and logically, he is correct in this. 

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10 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

What seems clear to me is that we will be trying to minimise positional changes. So someone is going to come in from Casey to play Lever's role. Whether that's Frost or Smith or Wagner or Hunt or someone else, I expect someone to get that role and Harmes to return to his normal role.

 

Listening to Gary Lyon and Roosey on On The Couch they seemed to think Hibberd to play Levers role and depending on opposition foward lines one of frost, Hunt or Smith in.

Makes sense to me.

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10 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

What do people think of Fritsch playing in the Lever role.

He certainly has the marking ability and the speed. May just be a little new to the game to have the positioning skills.

That would open up up a spot for a wingman.... Stretch perhaps?

I like the idea of Fritsch going back.

He has been a regular this season, and we know he has the goods, He has proved himself. He has been a regular part of this winning team. 

On the upside, he reads the play well from an intercept viewpoint, has a great spring, and can take clean marks when needed. He is also a beautiful direct kick. And he seems to have a cool head. I would feel more confident with the ball in Fritsch's hands than any of the other options. 

On the downside, he has a light frame not suitable to any push or shove by opponents. So he could be out positioned by a strong forward.  Yes, its a bit of robbing Peter to pay Paul, but we need to limit our turnovers down back, and at the same time, we have better options to replace Fritsch up forward or on the wing than options to replace Lever down back.

Both Frost and Hunt could be risky. Not regulars, and prone to a rush of blood and high turnovers. Frosty has the height and spring but is one directional and Hunt although good at ground level does not have the height or spring against taller opponents.  

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If we choose Wagner or another smallish defender we will be making the same mistake we made in the final Rnd last year against them.  They dominated up forward by taking advantage of their talls vs our smallish backline.

Hopefully Goody has learned from this.

Although he probably hasn't earned the call up form wise @Casey and certainly not in Lever type form, IMHO we have no other option but to get Frosty in for the Big Freeze!

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Pies unlikely to have Varcoe or Reid which are two big outs

Add Elliot, Moore, Goldsack, Fasolo, Aish, Broomhead and Josh Smith

Keep someone close to Wells to stop influence and shut down their small forwards and we should win easily

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22 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

Love to see Howe & Dunn chasing Hogan and TMac , good luck!

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I suspect Dunn will only go to the key forward closest to home.  He can't go with TMac or Hogan if they push up the ground.  He might even go to Smith.

Crisp, Maynard and Howe will most likely share the job on the Hogan and TMac as they roam further afield.  All have good tanks but are undersized, so I suspect there will be a lot of helping each other out in the Collingwood backline this week.  IMO this is where we have the distinct advantage.  The midfield is where this one will be won and lost.  I rate their midfield, Treloar in particular will be too quick for any of our mids if given space to tuck the ball under the arm and run.  Hopefully we bring our trademark pressure and attack on the ball and man and create enough opportunities for our forwards.

Stating the obvious, Lever is a HUGE out for us, I'm hoping our backline functions well enough without him. 

I have a lot of people to get in touch with if we win, as payback for the amount I copped after that game that we don't talk about anymore.

FWIW I think the order for replacing Lever this week should be Smith, Hunt then Frost.  I'm tipping a very close game here and can't wait for the Gawn vs Grundy battle.

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On 6/5/2018 at 9:01 AM, juzzk1d said:

As Roos said on SEN, it's not going to happen that we are going to create two problems with one by moving players around to fill the hole left by Lever. Coming up with ideas such as Smith to go down back, Tmac to potentially cover back, Harmes, Fritsch etc is just robbing Peter to pay Paul. 

One of Pederson, Frost, Smith or Wagner will come in.

Spot on, juzz.  The worst thing we can do is overthink this and make too many changes and upset the overall structure of the side.  No point shuffling players when we have blokes at Casey who can come in and play a role for us.

I'm still thinking it will be Joel Smith, but the Pies aren't too tall down there so I could easily see someone like Hunt coming in to allow Hibberd to play the extra man up role that Lever plays so well.  He's clever enough to do it.

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58 minutes ago, ManDee said:

Love to see Howe & Dunn chasing Hogan and TMac , good luck!

Would be good if we could isolate Howe by dragging him deep into our forward line (Like that the Pies did to Rivers all those years ago). 

He would get murdered one on one v T Mac and Hogan.

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4 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Spot on, juzz.  The worst thing we can do is overthink this and make too many changes and upset the overall structure of the side.  No point shuffling players when we have blokes at Casey who can come in and play a role for us.

I'm still thinking it will be Joel Smith, but the Pies aren't too tall down there so I could easily see someone like Hunt coming in to allow Hibberd to play the extra man up role that Lever plays so well.  He's clever enough to do it.

I definitely think Hibberd will be the loose man. He predominantly played that role last year no? He commits to each contest better then any other player on the team and impacts pretty much every contest in the air when he gets to it. It won't be the same intercepting style as Lever, it will look a littler more different and perhaps a bit more frantic but it should do alright. Need someone to play this role well so not to expose Oscar or whoever else takes a tall forward.

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3 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Would be good if we could isolate Howe by dragging him deep into our forward line (Like that the Pies did to Rivers all those years ago). 

He would get murdered one on one v T Mac and Hogan.

I'm expecting there to be an emphasis on low direct kicks inside forward 50 and across half forward to limit Jeremy's marking.

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In: Wagner.

Hibberd to play Lever role & Wagner to play Hibberd role.

**actually who bloody knows

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I think we'll be thereabouts at the pointy end of the year but I'm just waiting for us to have that TERRIBLE game. Like for example Richmond's game against St Kilda at Etihad where they got done by almost 100

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