Match Preview and Team Selection - Round 9

[bing181 8,151]

2 hours ago, mordja said:

sorry - that just is not correct.  Not by a million miles.  Watch the last three games on replay. Drink every time a pass from Tyson or a forced handball post his pass becomes a turnover.

You NOT sober.

Just don't try the above with Dustin Martin, you'll have a hard time making it past half time.

Tyson is 4th at the club for effective disposals/match, 9th for efficiency. Also in the top 10 in plenty of other categories. 

It's easy to pick out what doesn't work while ignoring what does. You see what you want to see.

Edited May 17, 2018 by bing181

[What 18,810]

Gotta hand it to old man Bernie, hes played every game despite the very short ANZAC break.  Thought he'd have had a weeks rest by now but no, hes a machine.

[Demon Dynasty 15,324]

7 hours ago, DV8 said:

 I think they want, looking forward for the next month, as much mature experience as we can muster together. So >

Viney for Tyson

Garlett for Spargo.

Bull for Weide.

Spargo stays this week if you believe Goody's presser DV.

If you are referring to the period the week after from the Adelaide match i think that is really dependent on the form of both players.

Sticking with your maturity/experience line then it would be either a retention of Pedders from this week or Pedders for Bull if he gets the nod ahead of Pedders this week.  Having said that i think the FD will more likely select on form at both AFL/VFL level (match ups / injury aside) based on the messages / hints coming out of base camp / Goody.

Edited May 17, 2018 by Rusty Nails

[rjay 23,883]

I think we're likely to see Bull come in for Weid & rotate with Trac picking up some mid time...with Tommy doing the relief ruck duties.

I might be wrong but I don't see Pedders as a direct replacement, for me he doesn't play the forward role well enough and his ruck work has been average this season.

Then again they might want to keep the same structure and use the one soldier down another steps up theory with Pedders stepping up.

It will be interesting to see how the FD view this.

Edited May 17, 2018 by rjay

[FarNorthernD 5,839]

8 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

A preview of Sunday.  Yes, they are Carlton players and yes that is Tim Smith.

 

#releasethebull

Powerful yet compact inside bull? Are you sure that’s not Viney?

[beelzebub 22,225]

13 minutes ago, rjay said:

I think we're likely to see Bull come in for Weid & rotate with Trac picking up some mid time...with Tommy doing the relief ruck duties.

I might be wrong but I don't see Pedders as a direct replacement, for me he doesn't play the forward role well enough and his ruck work has been average this season.

Then again they might want to keep the same structure and use the one soldier down another steps up theory with Pedders stepping up.

It will be interesting to see how the FD view this.

Weed was pinch hitting relieving in ruck...if like for like then more probably Pedders ?

[Stretch Johnson 2,568]

5 hours ago, bing181 said:

Just don't try the above with Dustin Martin, you'll have a hard time making it past half time.

Tyson is 4th at the club for effective disposals/match, 9th for efficiency. Also in the top 10 in plenty of other categories. 

It's easy to pick out what doesn't work while ignoring what does. You see what you want to see.

Come on Bing.  I'm not a Tyson detractor by any means but he had a mare last weekend by anyone's measurement. 

What effective disposals don't measure are the times that you may possess the football and not dispose of it. 

Tyson is in that scary place of mental constipation that exists between decision making and execution.

[rjay 23,883]

16 minutes ago, Stretch Johnson said:

Tyson is in that scary place of mental constipation that exists between decision making and execution.

I think part of this comes from the Roos model where if you don't see an obvious option you hold onto or lockdown on the ball and hope to get a ball up decision to reset.

I think Dom has struggled the most with Goddies game plan.

[Stretch Johnson 2,568]

8 minutes ago, rjay said:

I think part of this comes from the Roos model where if you don't see an obvious option you hold onto or lockdown on the ball and hope to get a ball up decision to reset.

I think Dom has struggled the most with Goddies game plan.

Unfortunately for Dom he doesn't have the strength or acceleration to escape the inside, he has to find a way through with good awareness of the space around him.  If he is not playing instinctively it wont work for him.

It's not only our game plan, it's the way the game is being played with manic pressure on the ball carrier.   Goodwin has tried to give  him some space by popping him on the wing. 

[GawnWithTheWind 604]

Final 22 for me will be

Outs: Weid (inj) Spargo (rested) Tyson (omitted)

Ins: Pedo (like for like), Garlett (like for like), Viney (upgrade)

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On a side note, there is no way that Rowe and Jones will be able to complete aerobically with Hogan and McDonald. If they both get moving like they have over the past 2 weeks, they will burn those two out very quickly and will be able to get on the end of a few goals. 

Edited May 17, 2018 by GawnWithTheWind

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38 minutes ago, GawnWithTheWind said:

 

On a side note, there is no way that Rowe and Jones will be able to complete aerobically with Hogan and McDonald. If they both get moving like they have over the past 2 weeks, they will burn those two out very quickly and will be able to get on the end of a few goals. 

Yup.  Those two guys are a huge asset for us.  They will win us many games.  Not many key defenders will be able to stick with them all game, and teams will require two of them.

I also have a good feeling we wont tire at the tail end of the season like past years...  we are more mature now and experienced, and have a lot depth.

 

Edited May 17, 2018 by Petraccattack

[Deemania since 56 6,130]

2 hours ago, rjay said:

I think we're likely to see Bull come in for Weid & rotate with Trac picking up some mid time...with Tommy doing the relief ruck duties.

I might be wrong but I don't see Pedders as a direct replacement, for me he doesn't play the forward role well enough and his ruck work has been average this season.

Then again they might want to keep the same structure and use the one soldier down another steps up theory with Pedders stepping up.

It will be interesting to see how the FD view this.

The bench is going to make all the difference for us against Carlton. Onfield rotations are critical and the selection of the bench can determine a win or loss situation, without doubt. 

My preference to match the Carlton team and positive pressure - now that they are selected as potential 'benchers', would be:

• Pedersen - tough as nails, lethal in packs, shepherding skills, very good kicking for goals and passing. Can ruck/clear packs;
• Garlett - talent to burn provided he applies forward defensive pressure - worth 2-4 goals per game as mobile fwd;
• Hunt - capable speedster and ball winner, can clear a whole backline with pace, can overcome slump with support;
• Smith - worthy of a try, quite impressive skills, hungry for opportunity, intimidating when on the move, another target for team.

This selection also gives a few key newbies a rest - that is required.

I just wish Kent was able to play for drive, rebound, intimidation, speed, passing, goal sense.

These are gut feelings held for the above reasons against the Carlton team who must be shut down across the midfield, the backline and in the ruck/utility role. 

We should win this game, after a first half battle. In the final term, we will run away with at least a 30 points lead. 

 

 

Edited May 17, 2018 by Deemania since 56

[binman 37,873]

I think there is bit of #tyson myths brewing.

Doesn't have the strength to escape the inside?. Phoeey. His strength is his major asset and why he so often is able to extract the ball from congestion.

Sure he gets pinged for holding a few times but one it is often because he gets the ball in traffic and two in reality it doesn't happen that often.

I think tbe issue for him is two fold. His hands, and perhaps decision making, can somtimes be a little slow.

The second is a technique  thing. He often holds the ball away from the body and the ball gets jarred loose with contact. This means  he sometimes gets pinged where he had no prior where others whohold onto the ball don't.

I have said he is a chance to go out for viney based on the like for like principle  and others like anb and harmes having had good games against  the suns.

But if he doesn't that would be a pretty clear statement by goody about how he rates tyson.

[Dee Zephyr 17,373]

1 hour ago, GawnWithTheWind said:

On a side note, there is no way that Rowe and Jones will be able to complete aerobically with Hogan and McDonald. If they both get moving like they have over the past 2 weeks, they will burn those two out very quickly and will be able to get on the end of a few goals. 

 

30 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Yup.  Those two guys are a huge asset for us.  They will win us many games.  Not many key defenders will be able to stick with them all game, and teams will require two of them.

I also have a good feeling we wont tire at the tail end of the season like past years...  we are more mature now and experienced, and have a lot depth.

 

Great points, with our continued ability to enter our forward 50 frequently these two will cause the opposition headaches week in week out. 

What a draft gem TMac is turning out to be. Pick 53 defender turned forward and compare him to some of the latest key forwards that were drafted as top picks. Patton, Boyd, Schache and McCartin. Those players couldn’t run out of sight in the dark at the moment.

[Stretch Johnson 2,568]

28 minutes ago, binman said:

I think the issue for him is two fold. His hands, and perhaps decision making, can sometimes be a little slow.

The second is a technique  thing. He often holds the ball away from the body and the ball gets jarred loose with contact. This means  he sometimes gets pinged where he had no prior where others who hold onto the ball don't.

 

I'm not so sure we are that far apart.

[Demon3 2,541]

You would think that Oscar get Curnow.. which leaves a very tall McKay for Lever?  interesting that we look pretty small down back.

 

 

[daisycutter 28,482]

10 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

You would think that Oscar get Curnow.. which leaves a very tall McKay for Lever?  interesting that we look pretty small down back.

 

 

yes a genuine 2nd tall would be nice down back. are there any more mcdonald bros coming thru?

[rjay 23,883]

17 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

You would think that Oscar get Curnow.. which leaves a very tall McKay for Lever?  interesting that we look pretty small down back.

 

 

More likely that Oscar will take McKay...

[sisso 2,383]

1 minute ago, rjay said:

More likely that Oscar will take McKay...

Oscar will get cold because the ball wont ever be down there!

[Wiseblood 24,636]

22 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

You would think that Oscar get Curnow.. which leaves a very tall McKay for Lever?  interesting that we look pretty small down back.

 

 

Oscar will rotate through both, as will Lever.  McKay is a big dinosaur whose gotten a few easy goals in the past few weeks so he doesn't worry me too much.  Curnow likes to get on his bike a bit and get possies up the ground so you might see someone like Hibberd go with him a bit when he does that.

Our backline, however, has been getting better and better over the last few weeks and I don't see that changing this weekend.

[beelzebub 22,225]

Carltons fwd will die of starvation Sunday

[Demonland 64,627]

12 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

A preview of Sunday.  Yes, they are Carlton players and yes that is Tim Smith.

 

#releasethebull

Could be Viney too.

[Deemania since 56 6,130]

14 hours ago, leave it to deever said:

Know theres a lot of love for weid and Pedos not the future.......but I recall Pedo throwing his weight around more than Weid who has only recently bulked up a little. Pedo in for Weid  if only to see some carlton players laid on their ar5es. Jack in for very  unlucky Spargo.

Good call, both ways. We need to knock the 5hyte outta them to win the ball more easily. 

Edited May 18, 2018 by Deemania since 56

[Deemania since 56 6,130]

4 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Could be Viney too.

...or Petracca, or Pedersen, or Hibberd, or even Jesse. Geez, I'd like a Rod Grinter in our team - the lay opponents on their backs gazing up at the clouds in aftershock, to kick 50m passes with dead accuracy, to unsettle anyone in front of him - or behind, or at his side. Grinter gave for the MFC better than anyone - body, mind and soul.

[Deemania since 56 6,130]

11 hours ago, DV8 said:

 I think they want, looking forward for the next month, as much mature experience as we can muster together. So >

Viney for Tyson

Garlett for Spargo.

Bull for Weide.

You forgot: Pedo to keep the ambulance people busy rather than allowing them to watch the game for free.