Jump to content

Discussion on recent allegations about the use of illicit drugs in football is forbidden
  • IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING

    Posting unsubstantiated rumours on this website is strictly forbidden.

    Demonland has made the difficult decision to not permit this platform to be used to discuss & debate the off-field issues relating to the Melbourne Football Club including matters currently being litigated between the Club & former Board members, board elections, the issue of illicit drugs in footy, the culture at the club & the personal issues & allegations against some of our players & officials ...

    We do not take these issues & this decision lightly & of course we believe that these serious matters affecting the club we love & are so passionate about are worthy of discussion & debate & I wish we could provide a place where these matters can be discussed in a civil & respectful manner.

    However these discussions unfortunately invariably devolve into areas that may be defamatory, libelous, spread unsubstantiated rumours & can effect the mental health of those involved. Even discussion & debate of known facts or media reports can lead to finger pointing, blame & personal attacks.

    The repercussion is that these discussions can open this website, it’s owners & it’s users to legal action & may result in this website being forced to shutdown.

    Our moderating team are all volunteers & cannot moderate the forum 24/7 & as a consequence problematic content that contravenes our rules & standards may go unnoticed for some time before it can be removed.

    We reserve the right to delete posts that offend against our above policy & indeed, to ban posters who are repeat offenders or who breach our code of conduct.

    WE HAVE BUILT A FANTASTIC ONLINE COMMUNITY AT DEMONLAND OVER THE PAST 23 YEARS & WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THE CLUB WE LOVE & ARE SO PASSIONATE ABOUT.

    Thank you for your continued support & understanding. Go Dees.


The Curnow Brothers at the Tribunal


davejemmolly

Recommended Posts

4 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

bit hard when you pleaded guilty in the first place

One could argue that he was coerced.

This whole fiasco is becoming absolutely farcical. Next thing you know, players' will get done for sneezing within the vicinity of umpires.

Edited by Demon Disciple
Link to comment
Share on other sites

44 minutes ago, Rod Grinter Riot Squad said:

On AFL360, said Hawkins was met by AFL reps just before his hearing and told to plead guilty and accept one week or fight it and get a two week punishment...

Exactly, so having fought the charges, if these 2 now go they should be given 2 weeks.

  • Like 1
  • Love 1
  • Haha 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

One could argue that he was coerced.

This whole fiasco is becoming absolutely farcical. Next thing you know, players' will get done for sneezing within the vicinity of umpires.

True he was coerced, but he's an adult. i sorta agree with you but it becomes more complex when your defence is one of coercion and then of innocence

Link to comment
Share on other sites

50 minutes ago, Uncle Fester said:

I'm sort of hoping the appeals board hands down the death penalty.

It would be a good deterrent to any player who was contemplating touching up an umpire in the future.

Edited by Ethan Tremblay
Link to comment
Share on other sites

What’s ultimately at play here is the credibility of Hockings decision to appoint a single MRO to officiate all incidents in an effort to find consistency. What’s happened is a continuation of the same flaws producing the same confusion.

The next thing to happen here is anyone’s guess but Hockings arrival and seemingly astute and timely decisions are right on the line here.

The appeal fails and so does Hocking.

Big time.

  • Like 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites


18 hours ago, Jibroni said:

Right decision but lets move on. If we play in 4th gear we should easily beat thus mob.

Just wonder if the Curnows will enjoy a little bump from Viney this weekend early in the game - and perhaps Pedo if he is playing - sure would make for an interesting match. Petracca could give a bit of lip, too.

Fire them up, so that they do not know from whence and when the trouble might come.

Carlton need to know that a majority of observers of this week's Tribunal farce cannot - and will not - tolerate AFL favouritism, and the first way to prove that is to express sentiment directly back to the AFL through messages via the guilty parties, who sway AFL rules and regulations at will with the post-match co-operation of the AFL itself.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

40 minutes ago, McQueen said:

What’s ultimately at play here is the credibility of Hockings decision to appoint a single MRO to officiate all incidents in an effort to find consistency. What’s happened is a continuation of the same flaws producing the same confusion.

The next thing to happen here is anyone’s guess but Hockings arrival and seemingly astute and timely decisions are right on the line here.

The appeal fails and so does Hocking.

Big time.

The MRO didn't adjudicate the case.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, Demonland said:

The pessimist inside me still thinks this is all just a charade to pacify the unhappy masses.

The realist in me agrees

3 hours ago, Die Hard Demon said:

AFL officially appealing both Curnows' decision. 

No doubt Gil spin and hype.  Maybe he asked Clarko what to do over coffee?

2 hours ago, Rod Grinter Riot Squad said:

On AFL360, said Hawkins was met by AFL reps just before his hearing and told to plead guilty and accept one week or fight it and get a two week punishment...

Who?   Integrity Commissioners?? ?????????

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

18 minutes ago, brendan said:

Well they must get a week now, it’s clearly what the AFL want touch an umpire you go for a week, they will look even more foolish if the same outcome comes about 

I see it a different way. Tin Foil hat time. I think the AFL know that the wider community is angry about the outcome and the inconsistency and the appeal is just for show and they will be satisfied with the same outcome and if the fans are still unhappy after then they will just say "we agree. we tried".

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

This is a positive response to a thoroughly bizarre situation.  

How can the AFL and their own tribunal be on such different pages?

I think the May ruling was right, it's also (remotely) possible that Charlie should escape with a fine, but no way Ed gets off for that.

The tribunal has set a stupid precedent by letting all three off as footage of these infractions will be used for all future contact with umpire hearings.  There are three different types of contact being made with an umpire - the tribunal has now made three different exceptions to the rule. 

  • Like 1
  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites


54 minutes ago, loges said:

The MRO didn't adjudicate the case.

I know that but he called it intentional and referred it to the tribunal. My point is that the system is still broken after Hockings changes at a match review level.

I said it earlier, I he MRO is looking like a toothless tiger and Hocking isn’t liking it.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Demonland said:

................................................

The AFL has lodge an appeal against the Curnow brothers after an early morning meeting between Gillon McLachlan and Simon Goodwin.

Since when have the Dees been "One of the Big Clubs that Rule the AFL"?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

AFL had to appeal this disastrous precedent. There should a simple rule - do not intentionally or recklessly make contact with an umpire.

Extending a hand or arm when not in play like Hawkins, Curnow I and Curnow II did is an obvious intentional or reckless act. Simple rule - do not extend any body parts near an umpire. The force of the contact is not a consideration.

May could also be classified as reckless but, as he was only demonstrating his action and not extending an arm or hand, it could, reluctantly, be classified as accidental contact and attract a lesser penalty.

Accidental should be narrowly defined as an action that would not normally be expected to make contact with an umpire eg. bending over or where the umpire was not in the field of vision and the player was not aware (note that Curnow might have been looking at Merrett but the umpire was in field of vision).

Extending an arm towards an umpire in the field of vision is not accidental. The application of the rule should be a strict liability.

  • Like 2
  • Love 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, McQueen said:

What’s ultimately at play here is the credibility of Hockings decision to appoint a single MRO to officiate all incidents in an effort to find consistency. What’s happened is a continuation of the same flaws producing the same confusion.

The next thing to happen here is anyone’s guess but Hockings arrival and seemingly astute and timely decisions are right on the line here.

The appeal fails and so does Hocking.

Big time.

It's kinda funny in a way.

If they ..the AwfuL had sat down and concocted a worse case scenario of a situation involving umpires being "touched" ..then even this is beyond fiction.

They're now damned either way.

Well done AFL... scholarly ;)

Edited by beelzebub
  • Like 3
  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Were either of these players asked if they actually said the word "sorry" when they knowingly pushed (touched)the umpires? Plus the FACT that there is at the moment a degree of implication on the heads of these two Umpires as well, as far as i'm concerned, by their statements of non awareness of being manhandled......hmmm 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    DEPTH CHARGE by Whispering Jack

    The jubilation on the coach’s face as he danced a celebratory jig by the playing bench after the final siren sounded to record his team’s four-point victory over the Demons when the teams last met, said it all.    On that rainy Friday night at the Adelaide Oval, Ken Hinkley’s young midfield secured much more than four points on offer. The victory over one of the big dogs of the competition after a succession of wins over some of its lesser lights gave his team respect and validation fo

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 5

    TRAINING: Monday 25th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Demon Dynasty & Kev Martin were trackside at Gosch's Paddock today to bring you their observations from training. DEMON DYNASTY'S TRAINING OBSERVATIONS Kade Chandler's left knee heavily strapped. BBB, Spargs & Jake Lever also in rehab group. Jake Bowey solo running separate kicking/sprint/agility drills. Super fine morning / early arvo at Gosch's for the boys to blow out some cobwebs. Choco initially had the light duties / rehab group

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    HIBERNATING by KC from Casey

    When they locked up the rooms for summer at the end of last year’s football season, the rooms gathered cobwebs, the atmosphere became dense and the place developed a sleepy feel. They opened up the rooms to let Casey out to play on Sunday but the team was still hibernating and they missed the bulk of the opening quarter. By the time they worked out it was game on, their opponents from Box Hill had accumulated five goals and, if the game wasn’t over, it might as well have been. For a se

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    A FORK IN THE HAWK by George on the Outer

    For too long in the past, Demon fans became habitually sick and tired of watching the Hawks hand out thrashings to their side. But Melbourne’s empahtic 55-point win at the MCG on Saturday has truly put a fork in the Hawk and turned that history well and truly on its head. The Demons have now won nine of their last ten encounters with the other result, a draw.     And like a fork, it was the multi-pronged options that Melbourne had all across the ground.  It certainly helped that Hawthorn

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports 8

    PREGAME: Rd 03 vs Port Adelaide

    The Demons head on the road for the next 2 weeks as they travel to Adelaide to play Port on Saturday and then have a 5 Day break before facing the Crows in the Gather Round. With injuries to May and Lever who comes in and who goes out?

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 265

    PODCAST: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 25th March @ 8:30pm. Join George, Binman & I as we analyse the Demons victory at the MCG against the Hawks in the Round 02. You questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show. If you would like to leave us a voicemail please call 03 9016 3666 and don't worry no body answers so you don't have to talk to a human. Listen & Chat

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 46

    VOTES: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    Last week Steven May took the lead in the Demonland Player of the Year Award from Jack Viney. Clayton Oliver & Max Gawn round out the Top 4. Your votes for the win/loss against/to the Hawks. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 50

    POSTGAME: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The Demons cruised to an easy 55 point win over the Hawks at the MCG but but paid a heavy toll on the injury front with Steven May & Jake Lever possibly sidelined for a number of weeks.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 357

    GAMEDAY: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    It's Game Day and after mixed results in the first two weeks of the season the Demons have the opportunity to capitalise on their good form last week when they take on the Hawks at the MCG today.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 437
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

  • Podcast 

  • Podcast 

  • Podcast Stream 


    Open Stream in
    New Window
        TuneIn    Opens in New Tab
  • Support Demonland  



  • 2021 Premiership  

  • Social Media 

  • Non MFC Games  

    NON-MFC: Round 03

    Discussion of all the other games that don't involve the Demons in Round 03 ... READ MORE

    Demonland | Round 03

  • Match Preview      

    DEPTH CHARGE by Whispering Jack

    The jubilation on the coach’s face as he danced a celebratory jig by the playing bench after the final siren sounded to record his team’s four-point victory over the Demons when the teams last met, said it all ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 27

  • Latest Podcast      

    PODCAST: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The boys dissected the clinical thrashing of Hawks praising the immense performance of Christian Petracca whilst lamenting the injury toll to our defensive unit ... LISTEN

    Demonland | March 26

  • Training  

    Monday, 25th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Demon Dynasty & Kev Martin were trackside at Gosch's Paddock today to bring you their observations from training ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 25

  • Casey Report      

    HIBERNATING by KC from Casey

    When they locked up the rooms for summer at the end of last year’s football season, the rooms gathered cobwebs, the atmosphere became dense and the place developed a sleepy feel. They opened up the rooms to let Casey out to play on Sunday but the team was still hibernating and they missed the bulk of the opening quarter ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 25

  • PreGame      

    PREGAME: Rd 03 vs Port Adelaide

    The Demons head out on the road for the next 2 weeks as they travel to Adelaide to play Port on Saturday and then have a 5 Day break before facing the Crows in Gather Round. With injuries to May and Lever who comes in and who goes out? ...READ MORE

    Demonland | March 28

  • Match Report      

    A FORK IN THE HAWK by George on the Outer

    For too long in the past, Demon fans became habitually sick and tired of watching the Hawks hand out thrashings to their side. But Melbourne’s empahtic 55-point win at the MCG on Saturday has truly put a fork in the Hawk and turned that history well and truly on its head ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Post Game      

    POSTGAME: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The Demons cruised to an easy 55 point win over the Hawks at the MCG but but paid a heavy toll on the injury front with Steven May & Jake Lever possibly sidelined for a number of weeks ...READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Votes      

    VOTES: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    Last week Steven May took the lead in the Demonland Player of the Year Award from Jack Viney. Clayton Oliver & Max Gawn round out the Top 4. Your votes for the win/loss against/to the Hawks. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 ...READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Game Day      

    GAMEDAY: Round 02 vs Hawthorn

    It's Game Day and after mixed results in the first two weeks of the season the Demons have the opportunity to capitalise on their good form last week when they take on the Hawks at the MCG today ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Training  

    Friday, 22nd March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatcher Kev Martin and I attended the Captain's Run at Gosch's Paddock on this lovely sunny morning to bring you the following observations from the training session ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 22

  • Training  

    Tuesday, 19th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Kev Martin & Walking Civil War attended Tuesday morning's training session at Gosch's Paddock to bring you the following observations ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 19

  • Training  

    Saturday, 16th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Kev Martin and Dee Zephyr wandered down to Gosch's Paddock on Saturday morning to bring you their observations from the Captain's Run in the lead up to Sunday's Round One match against the Bulldogs ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 16

  • Farewell  

    Angus Brayshaw Retires

    After 167 games including the drought breaking Premiership Angus Brayshaw has made the heart breaking decision to medically retire from football as a result of a series of serious head knocks over his nearly decade of footy. We wish Gus all the best and he'll always be a hero at Demonland ... READ MORE

    Demonland | February 22

  • Latest Podcast  

    PODCAST: Koltyn Tholstrup Interview

    I interview the Melbourne Football Club’s newest recruit Koltyn Tholstrup to have a chat about his journey from the farm to the Demons, his first few weeks of preseason training, which Dees have impressed him on the track and his aspirations of playing Round 1 ... LISTEN

    Demonland | December 14

  • Latest Podcast  

    PODCAST: Jason Taylor Interview

    I interview the Melbourne Football Club's National Recruitment Manager Jason Taylor to have a chat about our Trade and Draft period, our newest recruits, our recent recruits who have yet to debut as well as those father son prospects on the horizon ... LISTEN

    Demonland | November 27

  • Next Match 

    .

    Round 03

       vs   

    Saturday 30th March 2024
    @ 07:30pm (AO)

  • MFC Forum  

  • Match Previews & Reports  

  • Training Forum  

  • AFLW Forum  

  • 2024 Player Sponsorship

  • Topics

  • Injury List  


      PLAYER INJURY LENGTH
    Jake Lever Knee Test
    Clayton Oliver Hand Test
    Oliver Sestan Concussion Test
    Steven May Ribs 1 Week
    Lachie Hunter Calf 1 Week
    Daniel Turner Hip 2-3 Weeks
    Charlie Spargo Achilles 2-4 Weeks
    Shane McAdam Hamstring 3-5 Weeks
    Jake Bowey Shoulder 7 Weeks
    Jake Melksham ACL 12-14 Weeks
    Joel Smith Suspension TBA

  • Player of the Year  


        PLAYER VOTES
    1 Christian Petracca 27
    2 Steven May 25
    3 Max Gawn 21
    4 Jack Viney 20
    5 Bayley Fritsch 19
    6 Clayton Oliver 18
    7 Christian Salem 12
    8 Blake Howes 11
    9 Jack Billings 10
    9 Alex Neal-Bullen 10

        FULL TABLE
  • Demonland Interviews 



  • Upcoming Events 

×
×
  • Create New...