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AFL hair-splitting at its finest.

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Does anyone have a clip of Jetta getting smacked in the face by chance? 

Thanks in advance 

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16 minutes ago, Demonland said:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-07/match-review-full-statement-round-seven

Contact between St Kilda’s Jake Carlisle and Melbourne’s Jesse Hogan from the third quarter of Sunday’s match was assessed. The ball was kicked through for a point with Carlisle and Hogan coming towards the goal square, after the ball has passed the line and registered a score. On the behind-goal vision, Carlisle turns toward Hogan and makes contact with an open hand to the throat area of the Melbourne player. The umpire in control of the play is within five metres and pays a free kick to Hogan for high contact. It was the view of the Match Review Officer that there was high contact made to the Melbourne player and the contact was not excessively exaggerated by Hogan. It was also the view of the match review officer that the force used in the contact was below that required for a charge to be laid, and no further action was required after the free kick was paid.

A very good summary. 

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The reaction from the media at large was ridiculous yet not in the least surprising. All rushing to condemn Jesse, many of them clearly doing so without having looked closely enough at the incident to notice the second action made by Carlisle. Jesse may have added some dressing but his reaction is within the realms of plausibility.

At least the person who matters most (Christian) let common sense prevail, although I would've thought striking someone in the throat is worthy of a reprimand given their crackdown on the dreaded jumper punch.

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I don't doubt he got a chop in the throat and I also have no doubt he put a lot of mayonnaise on his reaction by falling to the ground.

If he gets pinged for any form of staging then it would be completely warranted that Carlisle cops a whack for his Bruce Lee throat jab.

Still, AFL players have still got a long way to go before we catch up with those muppets that kick the round ball.

Check out old mate at 35 seconds in this video. Now that's how to milk a throat punch.

 

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14 minutes ago, P-man said:

The reaction from the media at large was ridiculous yet not in the least surprising. 

It is insane.   Cant believe this is the big story of the day 

He got hit in the throat, but Jesse is the bad guy?  So pathetic

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My apologies, it was a clear push to the throat, to me from the other angle it looked like the chest, I was wrong. (still soft by Hogan though).

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If they start calling people out for staging half of the Geelong team will be reported every week.

it is the umpire that blew the free that should be questioned, not the player.

also, it is not in a Hogan’s interests to go to ground there.  His interest is getting in position for the kick in.

in the martial arts we teach it is more effective to use an open hand to strike the throat like this and used properly, a low impact strike can have devastating consequences.

carlisle is lucky, as the strike carries severe risk.

hogan’s response was appropriate.

commentators can find something else to be outraged about

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I can't work out why, if they focus on this, they don't focus on the jab to the scone that Nev copped. If they're after scandal then it's a scandal if Mr Christian doesn't single that out on his video recorder.

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3 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

perhaps a little OOT to sue for defamation RGS but I suspect if it was one of Eddie's players we would see some push back.

We should have been shaping the story last night... by inserting doubt the debate would have been about.." was it a dive".. Now it is accepted in the media that it was.

Definitely a bit of an overreaction, but after decades of doing nothing and letting all and sundry walk over us, I want a strong and forceful reaction, over the top or not.

 

a strike to the throat, even low impact is extremely dangerous, am not surprised Hogan went back. The headlines “Diving Hogan...” is more over the top and it is defamatory, it is time we fought back and said that we aren’t anyone’s doormats anymore. If we ignore it, then as a club, we are still soft.

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3 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

I can't work out why, if they focus on this, they don't focus on the jab to the scone that Nev copped. If they're after scandal then it's a scandal if Mr Christian doesn't single that out on his video recorder.

christian can't review 18 hours of replays, surely. maybe he just didn't watch that bit or was fast-forwarding to fast, or none of his sp[otters pointed it out. He didn't even make any comment about it.

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10 hours ago, Demonland said:

 

What do you think of the incident?

Complete rubbish! Media beat up as usual 

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Another example:

Jesse Hogan was not penalised for an incident against the Saints that drew attention, when he went down dramatically in the goalsquare after being bumped by Jake Carlisle. Hogan was awarded a free kick at the time”

by some pathetic dog from the Age, written after Christian said there was a grab at the throat.

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It still mystifies me, though doesn't surprise me that the litmus is whether Jesse was staging ?

FMD....

It's irrelevant how Hogan reacts...the TRANSGRESSION is the DOG act by mongel Carlisle. What an absolute [censored] !!

 

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Can argue that Carlisle action was worse than Hawkins touching an umpire.

This game can be bizarre at times.

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1 hour ago, SFebey said:

My apologies, it was a clear push to the throat, to me from the other angle it looked like the chest, I was wrong. (still soft by Hogan though).

Good man ;)

Reality is ...thump someone in shoulder....yeah whatever...

Get a jab in the throat.... you WILL recoil.

Its a dog act. 

 

 

 

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Good on Mahoney for jumping on SEN earlier and scolding the media for the unjustified and error ridden criticism of the throat jab by Carlisle, which clearly showed Hulk being jabbed in the throat as he moved towards the goals and Carlisle.

Hogan was off balance as he moved his head back in an instinctive reaction to try and to avoid full impact, then fell backwards as the jab impacted.  At no stage did he flop onto his back as if struck by lightning nor throw his hands out to exaggerate the impact as some of the scribes have attempted to mislead some to believe.

His only reaction afterwards was to to alert the ump of the impact.  Big deal, i've been watching the likes of the Hawks, Eagles, Essendrug etc emphasise what they feel are genuine free kicks for years and getting favourable outcomes from the umpiring fraternity as a result on many occasions.

Well done Hulk.  Having a fine year so far!

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My god. Still people on here saying it was soft. He pushed him high up enough for the leverage to push him back. He didn't stage, he got caught by surprise. Simple as that.

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About time Christian should go the way of the lions, i'm afraid.

What's worse, a bite/more dangerous on the neck area or a chop to the throat?

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