Coaches Box

[Big Carl 333]

A lot has been spoken about the playing group of the last 2 weeks.

What is the view of the performance out of the coaches box??

[McQueen 17,862]

SAme as last year.

They struggle to make decisions to nullify opposition surges.

Goodwin looked stunned last night with nothing to put in place.

[RalphiusMaximus 5,993]

We may have good player development, but we don't have match day coaches and our gameplan has some serious deficiencies. 

[Diamond_Jim 11,727]

1 minute ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

We may have good player development, but we don't have match day coaches and our gameplan has some serious deficiencies. 

The jury is out on that one still I think.

We have better player development than we had.... (not very hard) .... but the next year or so will tell.

Petracca needs an absolute break out year. Hunt has stopped. Salem ... we all live in expectation.

Oliver has done well and O mac has been well developed.

At present I would say we have adequate player development but nothing to write home about.

Agree very much re match day. On the game plan ... not sure about the game plan. It could win you a flag on its day but because of inconsistency we may never get to the GF.

[RalphiusMaximus 5,993]

I did say May. 

[Dee Zephyr 17,410]

19 minutes ago, McQueen said:

SAme as last year.

They struggle to make decisions to nullify opposition surges.

Goodwin looked stunned last night with nothing to put in place.

So true, noticed that when the camera panned to him in the last quarter.

[DV8 2,271]

1 hour ago, Big Carl said:

A lot has been spoken about the playing group of the last 2 weeks.

What is the view of the performance out of the coaches box??

As McCartney has been suggested of saying to one of our supporters they are trying to teach players in positions.

So its a bit difficult to judge coaches on assumptions of what we think is taking place. ie: some players seem out of position, when in reality the players are being taught to play different roles in those positions.

so ?????

[jumbo returns 6,486]

Hard to know what communication is happening around Goodwin

Flashed to Fagan who probably broke his hand when he punched the table

[Wiseblood 24,636]

At the moment they're getting a pass... just.

I think the basis of our game plan is very good.  When we're on, we're on, and we can match it with any other team in the league.  Our contested possession game is great, we get our fair share of inside 50s and when our pressure is up, especially across half forward, our defence works in sync with them and they can repel most forward thrusts.

Our problem, as well know, is what happens when things aren't going our way.  The momentum shifts but our general game plan stays the same for too long.  We need that Plan B and learn to sense danger and enact it before teams kick a heap of goals on the trot.  To me, Goodwin hasn't shown that he has the capacity to understand when something isn't working and make the changes.  Is it inexperience?  Is it stubbornes?  Or is it a little bit of both?

If they can work out what to do when teams get a run on then we'll be hard to beat.  The problem we face is finding out what that Plan B is and implementing it when [censored] hits the fan.

[PartyTimeJohnny 533]

#valeofnegativity

[Tough Kent 2,049]

It seems like our answer to surges at the moment is to throw numbers behind the footy. The problem with that is that the other side have all the momentum, smash us around the footy and don't let us clear our defensive 50. They get opportunity after opportunity to score.

I'm not sure the coaches can do too much else at this stage. It's up to our leaders to say " [censored] this. I'm going to put my nose over the next contest. You're not getting past me." See Joel Selwood, Luke Hodge, Josh Kennedy. 

Edited April 1, 2018 by Tough Kent

[maximum bob 462]

On any match day, who sits in the box with Goodwin? (His name simply underlines irony every time I read it). Is Craig Jennings there? I was led to believe he had considerable footy smarts. How much input do the underlings actually have on game day? The senior coach looking gobsmacked when there's a run against  us is a real concern.

 

[Robot Devil 1,895]

3 minutes ago, maximum bob said:

On any match day, who sits in the box with Goodwin? (His name simply underlines irony every time I read it). Is Craig Jennings there? I was led to believe he had considerable footy smarts. How much input do the underlings actually have on game day? The senior coach looking gobsmacked when there's a run against  us is a real concern.

 

Interesting question. I note that in some of the very high end membership packages there is the option to tack on a Coaches Box experience (at a significant cost). 

If I was filthy rich I’d certainly be laying down the cash just to see what the flip goes down in a coaches box during a game. 

Of course I would be ejected from the box in whatever quarter we let the opposition get a run on. It’s pretty much a certainty (the ejection and the opposition run on). 

[SFebes 4,692]

41 minutes ago, maximum bob said:

On any match day, who sits in the box with Goodwin? (His name simply underlines irony every time I read it). Is Craig Jennings there? I was led to believe he had considerable footy smarts. How much input do the underlings actually have on game day? The senior coach looking gobsmacked when there's a run against  us is a real concern.

 

The Neeld "I didn't see it coming" haunts me every time I look at Goodwin on match day!

[Satyriconhome 9,982]

 

Goodwin is not a demonstrative coach

During the 3rd qtr Crossy was out on the field quite often and players on the phone when on the bench, what were they doing, ordering takeaway for after the game

Goodwin can coach all he likes, if the players don't implement, listen to what Hogan said post match, back to fundamentals no bells and whistles

We still have an inexperienced side who had freewheeled in the first half, we tried it again in the 3rd when Brisbane lifted with the obvious result

We steadied in the 4th because the leaders righted the ship and went back to fundamentals 

We learn again and move onto the next game

Edited April 1, 2018 by Satyriconhome

[Ethan Tremblay 28,353]

7 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

So here we go again,  a topic full of opinions by ex AFL level coaches NOT

Goodwin is not a demonstrative coach

During the 3rd qtr Crossy was out on the field quite often and players on the phone when on the bench, what were they doing, ordering takeaway for after the game

Goodwin can coach all he likes, if the players don't implement, listen to what Hogan said post match, back to fundamentals no bells and whistles

We still have an inexperienced side who had freewheeled in the first half, we tried it again in the 3rd when Brisbane lifted with the obvious result

We steadied in the 4th because the leaders righted the ship and went back to fundamentals 

We learn again and move onto the next game

I don’t know why you can’t post this without the first sentence. 

[pineapple dee 2,892]

Hold the phone !! Didn't we put the brakes on Geelong in round one after they dominated us in the 2nd quarter. How did that happen?? Was their momentum only stopped by the half time siren ? I think the coaching staff are doing something right. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt. At times it will look terrible but I still trust them.

[Satyriconhome 9,982]

3 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I don’t know why you can’t post this without the first sentence. 

There you go, 2 games in,  reading some of the topics after a win, you would think this was the Bulldogs supporters board

Not sure which bit some supporters don't get we are still a work in progress, these 2 games in the past, we would have capitulated to Geelong and lost by a goal to Brisbane

[maximum bob 462]

9 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

We still have an inexperienced side who had freewheeled in the first half, we tried it again in the 3rd when Brisbane lifted with the obvious result

So, let me get this right. Lions lifted and we continued with Bob Dylan's freewheeling approach which clearly didn't work. We didn't employ any other strategy? Back to the coaches box for me. Too slow to react & unimaginative.

 

[BAMF 3,787]

17 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I don’t know why you can’t post this without the first sentence. 

I dont know how he can post anything after the first sentaence.

He has never been an afl coach so by his own rules everything he said is invalid.

[Binmans PA 25,977]

2 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

At the moment they're getting a pass... just.

I think the basis of our game plan is very good.  When we're on, we're on, and we can match it with any other team in the league.  Our contested possession game is great, we get our fair share of inside 50s and when our pressure is up, especially across half forward, our defence works in sync with them and they can repel most forward thrusts.

Our problem, as well know, is what happens when things aren't going our way.  The momentum shifts but our general game plan stays the same for too long.  We need that Plan B and learn to sense danger and enact it before teams kick a heap of goals on the trot.  To me, Goodwin hasn't shown that he has the capacity to understand when something isn't working and make the changes.  Is it inexperience?  Is it stubbornes?  Or is it a little bit of both?

If they can work out what to do when teams get a run on then we'll be hard to beat.  The problem we face is finding out what that Plan B is and implementing it when [censored] hits the fan.

I think this is a great post, mate, but I'd say we do implement a Plan B, which is moving the press deeper and playing an 8 man defence. What happens is, our pressure completely drops off, we fail to lay tackles and fumble the ball and/or bomb long to 2 on 1s. 

Lewis has been responsible for two momentum swings, two weeks in a row.

Vince killed Zorko in the first half, but when Zorko got off the chain, Brisbane got off the chain.

Jones generally fumbled most of the night and can often make poor decisions under pressure.

These are our three more experienced players. They are our leaders. They deserve to be questioned. They don't stand up when we need them. 

At one stage last night, Jones tried to play tempo footy, but kicked it to a contest that we lost and Brisbane got a goal from it. So clearly, we try to slow the tempo at times, but our coaches either need to put something else in place too or we need to get better at playing tempo footy.

We should be able to do it with the experience of Lewis and Vince kicking behind the ball, but these two often turn it over back there. It's a hard one. I suspect the coaches shift to an 8 man defence and push the zone back and expect that our leaders should be able to do the rest with a bit of tempo footy and calm ball use. 

Having written this post, I'm wondering whether it's not a Plan B that we need, but a Plan C and D!

[Scipio 5,868]

2 hours ago, Tough Kent said:

It seems like our answer to surges at the moment is to throw numbers behind the footy. The problem with that is that the other side have all the momentum, smash us around the footy and don't let us clear our defensive 50. They get opportunity after opportunity to score.

I'm not sure the coaches can do too much else at this stage. It's up to our leaders to say " [censored] this. I'm going to put my nose over the next contest. You're not getting past me." See Joel Selwood, Luke Hodge, Josh Kennedy. 

Clayton Oliver.

He was enormous when the tide was against us. That was also a situation where JV would have had plenty to say and do.

Edited April 1, 2018 by Luther

[Binmans PA 25,977]

29 minutes ago, Luther said:

Clayton Oliver.

He was enormous when the tide was against us. That was also a situation where JV would have had plenty to say and do.

I thought it was just media pundits and opposition fans that failed to realise how good Clayton Oliver is. But it's not just them. There seem to be a lot of MFC supporters that fail to recognise just how brilliant this kid is.

[Jaded No More 57,771]

Jury is out. 

Until we start playing consistently within games and within quarters, I will reserve judgement. 

I don’t think Goodwin is a premiership coach, but hey Beveridge and Hardwick didn’t look much chop either (Beveridge is clearly struggling at the moment!). 

 

[Diamond_Jim 11,727]

This is a healthy discussion.

Not sure why some posters get so upset when we discuss the strengths and weaknesses of the coach.

Just like players they have strengths and weaknesses and just like players some coaches are better than others.

Interesting that the WCE coach had to return to Perth due to a family emergency (daughter ill) and the assistant took the reins. They had a good win and the assistant made the comment that there really isn't much to do on match day as most of the planing is done during the week. I suspect he was being a little modest but it was an interesting comment nonetheless.