Jump to content

Discussion on recent allegations about the use of illicit drugs in football is forbidden
  • IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING

    Posting unsubstantiated rumours on this website is strictly forbidden.

    Demonland has made the difficult decision to not permit this platform to be used to discuss & debate the off-field issues relating to the Melbourne Football Club including matters currently being litigated between the Club & former Board members, board elections, the issue of illicit drugs in footy, the culture at the club & the personal issues & allegations against some of our players & officials ...

    We do not take these issues & this decision lightly & of course we believe that these serious matters affecting the club we love & are so passionate about are worthy of discussion & debate & I wish we could provide a place where these matters can be discussed in a civil & respectful manner.

    However these discussions unfortunately invariably devolve into areas that may be defamatory, libelous, spread unsubstantiated rumours & can effect the mental health of those involved. Even discussion & debate of known facts or media reports can lead to finger pointing, blame & personal attacks.

    The repercussion is that these discussions can open this website, it’s owners & it’s users to legal action & may result in this website being forced to shutdown.

    Our moderating team are all volunteers & cannot moderate the forum 24/7 & as a consequence problematic content that contravenes our rules & standards may go unnoticed for some time before it can be removed.

    We reserve the right to delete posts that offend against our above policy & indeed, to ban posters who are repeat offenders or who breach our code of conduct.

    WE HAVE BUILT A FANTASTIC ONLINE COMMUNITY AT DEMONLAND OVER THE PAST 23 YEARS & WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THE CLUB WE LOVE & ARE SO PASSIONATE ABOUT.

    Thank you for your continued support & understanding. Go Dees.


We might be in trouble this season.


Webber

Recommended Posts

41 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

WD I'm no expert so I'll leave that to the coaches and recruiting staff.  All I know is footy ovals are pretty big.  There's a lot of ground to be covered.  When you have the pill you can do that by great use of the ball with good vision and skills that allow you to hit up targets quickly by hand or foot to maintain possession, no matter where the next best option might be.  If you can't see or find one you're only other option is to try and run away from your opponent or kick/paddle/hand ball the ball to your advantage and hope it bounces nicely so you can run on to it somewhere away from the opponent chasing you and reset again.

When we haven't got the ball we need to be able to close down quickly on our opponents and pressure them when they are attempting to dispose as per above and win ball back either on ground or through the air.

Either way you need a good sprinkling of players who can cover the ground quickly and are very deft of vision and skills by hand and foot (ideally both sides of the body). Obviously such players are extremely hard to come by which is why you probably only see a handful or less in most teams.  The Hawks prefer them like this but are willing to take a one sided player ....usually left footed, and it seems to work a treat for them with the game plan Clarkson runs.  At the MFC I am currently struggling to come up with one of those who has good to explosive speed, strength, vision and sublime finishing skills.   Tracc looking like he is going to be a cracker at this point.  We had one other in Watts, who had his moments in patches, but his effort side was questioned by many during the course of his career at times.  Alas he has now moved on as we decided to look elsewhere.

We still have a long way to go if we are to be a serious finals contender with the current list IMO.  Our speed, finesse and finish (especially our method of entry coming inside 50 and finding targets or getting it to their advantage) is still a big work in progress for mine and we will need many further recruits and personnel changes before becoming a genuine and consistent finals contender.

Could not have said it better RN. You are spot on. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, old dee said:

If that were the case why did we lose to the Cats? Gawn is not a match winner we saw that on Sunday. Most of the games we won last year were when he was out injured, Hawthorn proved for years you don't need a dominate Ruckman to win flags and Richmond did last year. The best Ruckman are the ones who do more than win hit outs which is his main claim to fame. Viney is a grunt player very valuable but I don't see the skill that match winners show, it also helps if you can get on the field. Oliver is very good in fact probably our best player but he ain't there yet it might help if he kicked a bit more. 

Silly comment, by that logic any team with a "match winner" should win every single game.

Gawn misses one shot and all of a sudden it's not possible for him to be a "match winner"?

Watch Viney's game against West Coast last year and tell me again he can't be a match winner.

  • Like 2
  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

17 minutes ago, Deemented Are Go! said:

oh, how we will remember this post round one thread and look back and have a jolly good chuckle. 

The wailing and gnashing of teeth is truly incredible! 

FMD 

Not sure why you have that attitude DAG 99% of what I have read is just discussing our shortfalls and attributes. The split is reasonable even. If you only want to read glowing reports about the MFC go to the MFC site. This is a fan site where people give their opinions and quite often they vary.

And to your last comment. No Thank You.

  • Haha 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

23 minutes ago, Deemented Are Go! said:

oh, how we will remember this post round one thread and look back and have a jolly good chuckle. 

The wailing and gnashing of teeth is truly incredible! 

FMD 

Although there's nothing to suggest that what we've seen so far is different to any basis of qualms last season. I think it's more likely that we'll look back on this thread and say, "here is where it all began" than we are to look back and laugh. 

Happy to be proven wrong.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

34 minutes ago, old dee said:

Not sure why you have that attitude DAG 99% of what I have read is just discussing our shortfalls and attributes. The split is reasonable even. If you only want to read glowing reports about the MFC go to the MFC site. This is a fan site where people give their opinions and quite often they vary.

And to your last comment. No Thank You.

Yeah fair enough. I just think we should wait a few more rounds before making broad judgements on our performance. 

I agree the debate has been rational , though (for once!) 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

17 minutes ago, Deemented Are Go! said:

Yeah fair enough. I just think we should wait a few more rounds before making broad judgements on our performance. 

I agree the debate has been rational , though (for once!) 

You are correct it is only the first game and if Gawn could kick we would be still be  without a loss in 2018. What troubles me is the faults of last year seemed be there in the first game. I guess we will know more in another 36 hours.

Edited by old dee
  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites


5 hours ago, old dee said:

If that were the case why did we lose to the Cats? Gawn is not a match winner we saw that on Sunday. Most of the games we won last year were when he was out injured, Hawthorn proved for years you don't need a dominate Ruckman to win flags and Richmond did last year. The best Ruckman are the ones who do more than win hit outs which is his main claim to fame. Viney is a grunt player very valuable but I don't see the skill that match winners show, it also helps if you can get on the field. Oliver is very good in fact probably our best player but he ain't there yet it might help if he kicked a bit more. 

I'm not a fan of this argument, OD. In fact it's slightly absurd. Just because these guys didn't win us the game last week doesn't mean they're not match winners. Geelong don't win every week. By your logical Dangerfield and Selwood can't be match winners either then.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 29/03/2018 at 2:33 AM, Drunkn167 said:

I find it pretty funny how so many people who post on these forums believe they know more about selecting an AFL side then someone who has played in 2 winning premierships, played over 250 AFL games, is a 5x All-Australian and an Australian Football Hall of Famer, not to mention all the others with huge amounts of experience on the coaching panel who go into discussing the selections for each week, but yeah, you've watched a lot of football so you know which guys to pick to play.

James Hird, Michael Voss.....

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 hours ago, old dee said:

Massive leap there Dr. If you go back through my comments I have said we will play finals and I still believe that however I don't think we are a danger to the GF for the reasons I have stated. We do not yet have the 25 players necessary to win a spot in a GF. Let alone win one. We still don't have a match winner when the chips are down. If we did we would now be 1 and zero not the other way around.

Do you think it's possible some of our players may develop over the course of the season? Petracca, Oliver, Hogan, TMac, Viney, Lever etc Even if they're not at the very elite level yet they've shown that they have the tools just need to put it together with experience. Let's support them, never know what they might achieve.

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

Silly comment, by that logic any team with a "match winner" should win every single game.

Gawn misses one shot and all of a sudden it's not possible for him to be a "match winner"?

Watch Viney's game against West Coast last year and tell me again he can't be a match winner.

My thoughts precisely TU

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Do you think it's possible some of our players may develop over the course of the season? Petracca, Oliver, Hogan, TMac, Viney, Lever etc Even if they're not at the very elite level yet they've shown that they have the tools just need to put it together with experience. Let's support them, never know what they might achieve.

Enviable list of elite  talent mentioned.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 29/03/2018 at 10:29 AM, DubDee said:

The funny thing is if Gawn had of kicked the goal and won us that game threads like this one would be replaced by 'Can we go 9-0?' type threads. 

insane over reaction on DL.  Round 1 is historically not indicative of the season to come. frenetic football, 5 months build up, players dont have their touch yet etc.

We played a much less than fully fit Geelong who were blooding first gamers and not only lost, but did not play the better footy over the course of the game. 

There's not much chance anyone would have been talking 9 - 0 even if Gawny kicked the goal. 

We are a long way off being a better than 6-9 team on what l saw in Round 1.

We will learn a lot after playing the Lions. 

 

 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, ProDee said:

If you think we're in trouble tune into today's game.

North Melbourne were bad,  St Kilda played as horribly as I have seen a side play for a while.   They were appalling. 

  • Like 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites


11 hours ago, A F said:

I'm not a fan of this argument, OD. In fact it's slightly absurd. Just because these guys didn't win us the game last week doesn't mean they're not match winners. Geelong don't win every week. By your logical Dangerfield and Selwood can't be match winners either then.

I think there might be some confusion over the term 'matchwinner'.  To me, a match winner is a player who, when the game is in the balance, can pull something out of the bag and force a win.  Again, to me, there are not that many instances last season that come to my mind when someone has risen to the occasion and done something that has decided the result in our favour.  Last year, Tommy Mac in Perth and JW a couple of times.  I'm sure others will come in with other examples that escape me.  That might just be a failing memory....or not.  I agree with OD that we still lack the resources needed to win a GF.  

Objectively reviewing the performance of the coaching team and the players is not disloyalty, it's part (maybe one of the best parts) of footy.  Those people  find it worthy to unconditionally support the current approach regardless of the evidence are also part of the culture and I encourage them to continue doing so.  I might not agree with Saty's and others' approach or commentary but their commitment to the Club is phenomenal.  Others of us will continue to see things and comment differently.

Edited by Jimcor2
  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, Jimcor2 said:

I think there might be some confusion over the term 'matchwinner'.  To me, a match winner is a player who, when the game is in the balance, can pull something out of the bag and force a win.  Again, to me, there are not that many instances last season that come to my mind when someone has risen to the occasion and done something that has decided the result.  Last year, Tommy Mac in Perth and JW a couple of times.  That might just be a failing memory....or not.  I agree with OD that we still lack the resources needed to win a GF.  

Objectively reviewing the performance of the coaching team and the players is not disloyalty, it's part (maybe one of the best parts) of footy.  Those people  find it worthy to unconditionally support the current approach regardless of the evidence are also part of the culture and I encourage them to continue doing so.  I might not agree with Saty's and others' approach or commentary but their commitment to the Club is phenomenal.  Others of us will continue to see things and comment differently.

This isn't 2017 though. Our younger talented group have anothet pre season under their belts.

As @Dr. Gonzo said above, there's nothing stopping these guys from proving themselves matchwinners this year.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 29/03/2018 at 10:49 PM, beelzebub said:

So therefore they AREN'T there...and we haven't any...atm.

Max kicks the goal on Sunday and he would have been a match winner.

If you look at Richmond they had still have:

Martin  (Trac)

Rance (Lever)

Riewoldt (Hogan)

Cotchin (Viney, Oliver)

Your correct all of ours listed above are in 20-23 age range, so not quite mature enough in body, games and mind, but over the next few years we should be in the zone! Then add Gawn, Hibberd, who are both only 27!

and the Dogs only had:

Bontempelli (probably misspelled)

and 21 players who put manic pressure around the ground!

Our list is no worse than what the Dogs snatched a flag with in 2016!

Still let’s win enough games to make finals this year, win a final, then next year & beyond we should be good to have a crack at an elusive flag!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

15 hours ago, Stretch Johnson said:

North Melbourne were bad,  St Kilda played as horribly as I have seen a side play for a while.   They were appalling. 

I watched about 10 Mins and went back to Computer..  The saints were not getting any numbers to the ball. Total lacking of effort in the part I saw.

It was disappointing and boring.

Then the adds, I did have the TV on in the background (listening) as I played games on Computer. I had mans best friend by my side, the trusty Re-Mote, eventually changed channel.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    DEPTH CHARGE by Whispering Jack

    The jubilation on the coach’s face as he danced a celebratory jig by the playing bench after the final siren sounded to record his team’s four-point victory over the Demons when the teams last met, said it all.    On that rainy Friday night at the Adelaide Oval, Ken Hinkley’s young midfield secured much more than four points on offer. The victory over one of the big dogs of the competition after a succession of wins over some of its lesser lights gave his team respect and validation fo

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 5

    TRAINING: Monday 25th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Demon Dynasty & Kev Martin were trackside at Gosch's Paddock today to bring you their observations from training. DEMON DYNASTY'S TRAINING OBSERVATIONS Kade Chandler's left knee heavily strapped. BBB, Spargs & Jake Lever also in rehab group. Jake Bowey solo running separate kicking/sprint/agility drills. Super fine morning / early arvo at Gosch's for the boys to blow out some cobwebs. Choco initially had the light duties / rehab group

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    HIBERNATING by KC from Casey

    When they locked up the rooms for summer at the end of last year’s football season, the rooms gathered cobwebs, the atmosphere became dense and the place developed a sleepy feel. They opened up the rooms to let Casey out to play on Sunday but the team was still hibernating and they missed the bulk of the opening quarter. By the time they worked out it was game on, their opponents from Box Hill had accumulated five goals and, if the game wasn’t over, it might as well have been. For a se

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    A FORK IN THE HAWK by George on the Outer

    For too long in the past, Demon fans became habitually sick and tired of watching the Hawks hand out thrashings to their side. But Melbourne’s empahtic 55-point win at the MCG on Saturday has truly put a fork in the Hawk and turned that history well and truly on its head. The Demons have now won nine of their last ten encounters with the other result, a draw.     And like a fork, it was the multi-pronged options that Melbourne had all across the ground.  It certainly helped that Hawthorn

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports 8

    PREGAME: Rd 03 vs Port Adelaide

    The Demons head on the road for the next 2 weeks as they travel to Adelaide to play Port on Saturday and then have a 5 Day break before facing the Crows in the Gather Round. With injuries to May and Lever who comes in and who goes out?

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 262

    PODCAST: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 25th March @ 8:30pm. Join George, Binman & I as we analyse the Demons victory at the MCG against the Hawks in the Round 02. You questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show. If you would like to leave us a voicemail please call 03 9016 3666 and don't worry no body answers so you don't have to talk to a human. Listen & Chat

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 46

    VOTES: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    Last week Steven May took the lead in the Demonland Player of the Year Award from Jack Viney. Clayton Oliver & Max Gawn round out the Top 4. Your votes for the win/loss against/to the Hawks. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 50

    POSTGAME: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The Demons cruised to an easy 55 point win over the Hawks at the MCG but but paid a heavy toll on the injury front with Steven May & Jake Lever possibly sidelined for a number of weeks.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 357

    GAMEDAY: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    It's Game Day and after mixed results in the first two weeks of the season the Demons have the opportunity to capitalise on their good form last week when they take on the Hawks at the MCG today.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 437
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

  • Podcast 

  • Podcast 

  • Podcast Stream 


    Open Stream in
    New Window
        TuneIn    Opens in New Tab
  • Support Demonland  



  • 2021 Premiership  

  • Social Media 

  • Non MFC Games  

    NON-MFC: Round 03

    Discussion of all the other games that don't involve the Demons in Round 03 ... READ MORE

    Demonland | Round 03

  • Match Preview      

    DEPTH CHARGE by Whispering Jack

    The jubilation on the coach’s face as he danced a celebratory jig by the playing bench after the final siren sounded to record his team’s four-point victory over the Demons when the teams last met, said it all ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 27

  • Latest Podcast      

    PODCAST: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The boys dissected the clinical thrashing of Hawks praising the immense performance of Christian Petracca whilst lamenting the injury toll to our defensive unit ... LISTEN

    Demonland | March 26

  • Training  

    Monday, 25th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Demon Dynasty & Kev Martin were trackside at Gosch's Paddock today to bring you their observations from training ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 25

  • Casey Report      

    HIBERNATING by KC from Casey

    When they locked up the rooms for summer at the end of last year’s football season, the rooms gathered cobwebs, the atmosphere became dense and the place developed a sleepy feel. They opened up the rooms to let Casey out to play on Sunday but the team was still hibernating and they missed the bulk of the opening quarter ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 25

  • PreGame      

    PREGAME: Rd 03 vs Port Adelaide

    The Demons head out on the road for the next 2 weeks as they travel to Adelaide to play Port on Saturday and then have a 5 Day break before facing the Crows in Gather Round. With injuries to May and Lever who comes in and who goes out? ...READ MORE

    Demonland | March 28

  • Match Report      

    A FORK IN THE HAWK by George on the Outer

    For too long in the past, Demon fans became habitually sick and tired of watching the Hawks hand out thrashings to their side. But Melbourne’s empahtic 55-point win at the MCG on Saturday has truly put a fork in the Hawk and turned that history well and truly on its head ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Post Game      

    POSTGAME: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The Demons cruised to an easy 55 point win over the Hawks at the MCG but but paid a heavy toll on the injury front with Steven May & Jake Lever possibly sidelined for a number of weeks ...READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Votes      

    VOTES: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    Last week Steven May took the lead in the Demonland Player of the Year Award from Jack Viney. Clayton Oliver & Max Gawn round out the Top 4. Your votes for the win/loss against/to the Hawks. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 ...READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Game Day      

    GAMEDAY: Round 02 vs Hawthorn

    It's Game Day and after mixed results in the first two weeks of the season the Demons have the opportunity to capitalise on their good form last week when they take on the Hawks at the MCG today ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Training  

    Friday, 22nd March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatcher Kev Martin and I attended the Captain's Run at Gosch's Paddock on this lovely sunny morning to bring you the following observations from the training session ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 22

  • Training  

    Tuesday, 19th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Kev Martin & Walking Civil War attended Tuesday morning's training session at Gosch's Paddock to bring you the following observations ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 19

  • Training  

    Saturday, 16th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Kev Martin and Dee Zephyr wandered down to Gosch's Paddock on Saturday morning to bring you their observations from the Captain's Run in the lead up to Sunday's Round One match against the Bulldogs ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 16

  • Farewell  

    Angus Brayshaw Retires

    After 167 games including the drought breaking Premiership Angus Brayshaw has made the heart breaking decision to medically retire from football as a result of a series of serious head knocks over his nearly decade of footy. We wish Gus all the best and he'll always be a hero at Demonland ... READ MORE

    Demonland | February 22

  • Latest Podcast  

    PODCAST: Koltyn Tholstrup Interview

    I interview the Melbourne Football Club’s newest recruit Koltyn Tholstrup to have a chat about his journey from the farm to the Demons, his first few weeks of preseason training, which Dees have impressed him on the track and his aspirations of playing Round 1 ... LISTEN

    Demonland | December 14

  • Latest Podcast  

    PODCAST: Jason Taylor Interview

    I interview the Melbourne Football Club's National Recruitment Manager Jason Taylor to have a chat about our Trade and Draft period, our newest recruits, our recent recruits who have yet to debut as well as those father son prospects on the horizon ... LISTEN

    Demonland | November 27

  • Next Match 

    .

    Round 03

       vs   

    Saturday 30th March 2024
    @ 07:30pm (AO)

  • MFC Forum  

  • Match Previews & Reports  

  • Training Forum  

  • AFLW Forum  

  • 2024 Player Sponsorship

  • Topics

  • Injury List  


      PLAYER INJURY LENGTH
    Jake Lever Knee Test
    Clayton Oliver Hand Test
    Oliver Sestan Concussion Test
    Steven May Ribs 1 Week
    Lachie Hunter Calf 1 Week
    Daniel Turner Hip 2-3 Weeks
    Charlie Spargo Achilles 2-4 Weeks
    Shane McAdam Hamstring 3-5 Weeks
    Jake Bowey Shoulder 7 Weeks
    Jake Melksham ACL 12-14 Weeks
    Joel Smith Suspension TBA

  • Player of the Year  


        PLAYER VOTES
    1 Christian Petracca 27
    2 Steven May 25
    3 Max Gawn 21
    4 Jack Viney 20
    5 Bayley Fritsch 19
    6 Clayton Oliver 18
    7 Christian Salem 12
    8 Blake Howes 11
    9 Jack Billings 10
    9 Alex Neal-Bullen 10

        FULL TABLE
  • Demonland Interviews 



  • Upcoming Events 

×
×
  • Create New...