Post Match Discussion: JLT #2 vs St. Kilda

[binman 37,945]

34 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Tyson's pace is virtually never an issue, he has a great sidestep, is creative, tough, is hard to bring down, is good overhead, knows how to find the footy, is valuable in rotations through the centre square, and usually a good distributor.  

You may not have him in your best 22, but I'm certain Goodwin does.

100% agrre. I understand  the knocks on his disposal but he is a definite best 22 lock in this side.

It is a discussion point as to whether people believe he should a lock or not but i j have no doubt at all that Goodwin has him as a lock. And for what its worth i agree with Goody (who i guess knows a thing or two about football).

His ability to win contested ball and clear congestion is critical for us. He is a big strong mid, a type that goody and Roos before him favour (look at Oliver 6'2 in the old, Maynard is big, Hogan when he;s there, trac, viney is a bull - even salem is a stocky little bugger)'.

And whilst his disposal can be iffy it can also be excellent. I love the the penetration he can get of one step and he has good hands in traffic. I also like he has an eye for a goal

[Red and Blue realist 2,026]

36 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

 

 

Fine to have that view but whose spot does he take for round 1?

I think most wouldn't be saying who's spot is he taking, but who is in line to take Tyson's spot. I have no doubt he's nearly an auto pick, and would only be at Casey if he's injured or his form horribly drops off. He doesn't have to take one of Viney, Jones or Clarry's spots to be in the team.

[Vagg 2,422]

26 minutes ago, Forest Demon said:

Given 24 (?) played last night, my team for round 1 is...

 

OUT: Bugg, Wagner, Maynard, Stretch, Pedersen, OMac (more likely Frost), Fritsch (or Hannan)

IN: Viney, TMac, Harmes, ANB, Lewis

 

Backs: Lever, Frost, Hibberd, Hunt, Jetta, Vince, Lewis

Midfielders: Gawn, Jones, Viney, Oliver, Salem, Tyson, Petracca, Brayshaw

Forwards: Hogan, McDonald, Hannan, Garlett, ANB, Harmes, Melksham

What a great position to be in!  Can't really argue with you on this.  But, I reckon it would be real tough on the outs.  In my opinion, you can raise an argument for each of them that they should be in the 22.  But, how do you fit 29 guys into 22??  

[Fat Tony 4,401]

I wouldn't have Tyson as a certain starter in our side every week, but I thought he played alright yesterday. He looks very fit and I would pick him in round 1.

I don't really like him on the wing (due to lack of pace and average kicking) and I think he is really a centre square midfielder only.

[Macca 16,173]

Frost's best attribute is his dash out of defence and we need that attribute ... we can't be relying on Hunt alone as a good opposition coach could curtail Hunt's dash. 

Having 3 speedsters out of defence would be even better but the speedsters all would need to be decent players as well. 

But Frost's spoiling efforts last night were very good (I watched him carefully) ... he got a fist to the ball on a number of occasions and sometimes those spoils aren't noticeable.  10 x 1%ers as compared to our next best with 4.  He's getting a lot better at killing a contest. 

However,  I don't necessarily see it as Frost or Oscar anyway ... it can be both especially if both are playing different roles.

Edited March 9, 2018 by Macca

[Sir Why You Little 34,430]

14 minutes ago, binman said:

100% agrre. I understand  the knocks on his disposal but he is a definite best 22 lock in this side.

It is a discussion point as to whether people believe he should a lock or not but i j have no doubt at all that Goodwin has him as a lock. And for what its worth i agree with Goody (who i guess knows a thing or two about football).

His ability to win contested ball and clear congestion is critical for us. He is a big strong mid, a type that goody and Roos before him favour (look at Oliver 6'2 in the old, Maynard is big, Hogan when he;s there, trac, viney is a bull - even salem is a stocky little bugger)'.

And whilst his disposal can be iffy it can also be excellent. I love the the penetration he can get of one step and he has good hands in traffic. I also like he has an eye for a goal

The team has to learn to read Tyson’s kicks better, often he is kicking under immense pressure. For that reason alone he is not going to always hit the sweet spot when kicking. 

[Wrecker45 3,378]

1 hour ago, stevethemanjordan said:

 

 

Dom is one-paced, he isn't overly strong overhead, nimble or agile and he can't play half-back due to his kicking.

 

Tyson would be close to the most nimble and agile player in congestion we have, Oliver excluded.

He is tough as nails, his kicking is penetrating and he keeps getting the footy.

He is not just best 22 at Melbourne he would be at any other club in the league as well.

[Fat Tony 4,401]

1 minute ago, Macca said:

Frost's best attribute is his dash out of defence and we need that attribute ... we can't be relying on Hunt alone as a good opposition coach could curtail Hunt's dash. 

Having 3 speedsters out of defence would be even better but the speedsters all would need to be decent players as well. 

But Frost's spoiling efforts last night were very good ... he got a fist to the ball on a number of occasions and sometimes those spoils aren't noticeable. 

I don't necessarily see it as Frost or Oscar ... it can be both especially if both are playing different roles.

I also like Frost. The way I see it, having both speedsters (Hunt and Frost) in defence compensates for our lack of quality outsider midfielders.

I also think Lever would benefit from playing the third defender role, as he did at Adelaide where Talia and Hartigan were the key posts.

We may go with only two key defenders to start the year to allow extra skill in the backline (Vince and Lewis) but this could change if we struggle to contain the key forwards.

[nutbean 8,837]

6 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

 

He is tough as nails,  and he keeps getting the hot footy in contested, pressure situations. 

 

agree with this but it is not just about him getting the footy  - added my bit above

[DeezNuts 624]

I suppose we can now stack up a suitable forward line and backline to match the likely opposition now. Some weeks frost and Omac will be in, other times Garlett and Harmes will be out. We really do have a nice luxury at the moment. So the question is, based on Geelongs B22, which players stack up to exploit them?

[Macca 16,173]

1 minute ago, Fat Tony said:

I also like Frost. The way I see it, having both speedsters (Hunt and Frost) in defence compensates for our lack of quality outsider midfielders.

I also think Lever would benefit from playing the third defender role, as he did at Adelaide where Talia and Hartigan were the key posts.

We may go with only two key defenders to start the year to allow extra skill in the backline (Vince and Lewis) but this could change if we struggle to contain the key forwards.

Yep ... the 'tallness' of our defence is going to depend on match-ups.  But I don't necessarily just see Frost as a tall just because he is tall.

As stated previously,  he's getting better at spoiling which is a defenders bread & butter plus,  he has natural leg speed.  Oscar is a different type of defender.

The acquisition of Lever will probably improve the output of Frost & Oscar plus,  we can leave T-Mac to develop as a forward.  Win/win/win.

[Glenn Molloy 494]

My thoughts, with the caveat that it was still a practice match!

1/ Loved our versatility up forward and the different tall and small options we have....super efficient going forward in the first half

2/ That efficiency was helped because we smashed them in contested ball and loose ball gets, just seemed to have more numbers.  Although our centre bounce work wasn't great early.

3/ You could see halfway through the 2nd that we started to cruise a bit - part of that is the fact that it's a March practice game and they're never going to be full tilt the whole time but part of it is that maturity that is needed.  I hope Oliver and Petracca aren't intending to bring their James Harden celebration to Round 1....cos it was about then that the players seemed to get a bit comfortable.

4/ It is inevitable that there are periods of the game where the opposition will win more clearances, contests etc and lift their intensity.  Saints did that in the 3rd whilst we dropped slightly - fine, that happens. What worries me is how vulnerable we look when it happens.  Good teams are able to stem the bleeding and defend really well so that the damage is lessened.  We seem to let the opposition kick 6 or 7 in quick succession and it often costs games.  We are great when we're playing to our strengths and when the game is on our terms but when it swings the other way, we just need to be able to change momentum quicker than we do.

5/  Looked like getting overrun at 3/4 time but pleased that we steadied and kicked the first 3 of the last.  Good to see us respond and good to know that fitness doesn't seem to be an issue

6/  Defensively, we still seem to have too many fly when the ball is bombed in the air and no crumbers.  Just need to get the balance right.

 Individuals :  Loved the class of Fritsch, and he and Hannan showed that they can co-exist in the same team.  Hoges was so impressive at winning contests and loose balls on the ground and his mobility was excellent, though he dropped a few that I'd expect him to clunk when the season is up and going.  Lever was terrific, and Petracca's vision in the forward half is sublime.  Brayshaw really worked into the game well.  I really noticed how  quiet Jones was....maybe because he is always so prolific and rarely has a bad one but he just seemed a bit off it.  Hopefully he's just blowing out some cobwebs having had a couple of pre-season niggles.   Gawn really struggled in the first quarter in judging his marks but improved as the game went on.

[chook fowler 18,211]

One real strength compared to last year was the number of goals kicked by the midfield. Great spread.

[Wiseblood 24,636]

The one question I got from this game was:

Can we fit all of Garlett, Fritsch, Hannan, ANB, Harmes and Melksham in the one side?  I feel like the final spot will go to one of Fritsch or Hannan, but someone will be very stiff to miss out.

Consider that through the midfield we still have Oliver, Jones, Viney, Tyson, Salem, Brayshaw, Petracca etc.  I don't think we can fit them all in... or can we?

Good luck to the selectors.

[PaulRB 5,919]

You add the experience and hard edge of Viney, Lewis and TMac to that team and the third quarter drop off would have been stemmed immediately...

add ANB and Harmes as well, and the Saints' would be thankful to get within ten goals.

 

[Bang Bang Bang 5,453]

One of the first things Roos said on the telecast yesterday was that Tyson has been 'outstanding' since joining from GWS.

Sometimes you forget how good he has been. We got him as a sort of unknown, but when fit he's a regular at the pointy end of the B&F.

Any talk of him not being best 22 is nonsense.

[george_on_the_outer 6,962]

While the 3rd quarter "looked" bad from our perspective, it was a practice match, and we were trying different set-ups that were not used in the first half:

* mid-field changed to Salem, Hannan, Maynard.....Jones and Tyson moved to wings and off the bench to allow the youngsters time.  Remember we were 5 goals up and cruising.  When we needed to press the pedal in the last, we did by putting the better options back in the middle.

* Max played the whole game with Pedo as a chop out when needed.  The Saints ran Hickey for the whole of the 1st half against him, and then brought Marshall on for the 2nd half as a completely fresh ruck.  No wonder he cramped at the end, and we couldn't get our hands on the ball in the 3rd.

* Oscar left the field with back problems and Frost replaced him.  Suddenly Bruce and McCartin start marking the ball.  Once Frost found his feet they stopped kicking goals.

 

[Glenn Molloy 494]

11 minutes ago, Sylvia Saint said:

One of the first things Roos said on the telecast yesterday was that Tyson has been 'outstanding' since joining from GWS.

 

He said that because he still finds himself defending the deal that got us Tyson and Salem and got them Kelly (I know there were other pieces to the puzzle but that's the key one).  Tyson was outstanding in year one for us but I'd call him handy since then rather than outstanding...played a few outstanding games but not in our best 10.  Best 22, yes.

[FireInTheBennelly 4,024]

5 hours ago, ProDee said:

Hannan has bulked up quite a bit over this summer.

That looks painful!

[Ethan Tremblay 28,358]

4 minutes ago, FireInTheBelly said:

That looks painful!

The brown fist award.

[Redleg 37,556]

3 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

I don't understand why people are so hard on Dom Tyson.

Coming off an injury, he played under 70% game time and still accumulated a raft of possies, kicked a goal and laid 8 tackles.  I know his kicking can be a little suspect, but he was crucial for us last night, especially in the first half.

If you don't think he's in our best 22 then you've got rocks in your head.

He had a good game last night. If he can eliminate the clangers he is best 22.

[daisycutter 28,485]

i'll be more than happy if we win 3/4 of our games this year

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2 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

The brown fist award.

At the very least it should be included in Demonblog's #fistedforever list.

[DeeZee 6,731]

Our depth is really really good and some very good players will be unlucky to miss.

Also thought Hunt hasn’t been his best this pre season but started to look the goods in the last quarter.

Dare I say it, but Some of the moves Fritsch pulls off just remind me of Robbie Flower, even his running gait

[dl4e 5,583]

4 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Was Bugg off the pace or did his two misses at goal standout?

I don't think Bugg was off pace but yes his 2 missed goals along with many times last year means something.