Viney update: Out for Round 1

[Lucifers Hero 36,983]

24 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

My understanding is that he is in full training.  This suggests that he’s over the injury and building match fitness’s after missing months of training...

I saw it that way as well. 

He appears to be over the main injuries but it seems like there are side effects in other parts of his foot: "Having lost support in my foot and running differently and putting different loads through different bones, I've just got these little niggles popping up every now and then".  

Little niggles could be anything from a sore big toe to ...?  Whatever the niggles they are enough to limit him to training for at least 3 - 4 weeks before he steps into a match.

Methinks, if it was just a case of match fitness he would be playing the Casey practice match this weekend. 

Edited March 15, 2018 by Lucifer's Hero

[Lucifers Hero 36,983]

While, I would love to see him back I'm not fussed when he returns because we are not dependent on any one player. 

Its worth noting that from rounds 2 to 13 we play only 3 teams in last year's top 8.  So give him all the time he needs. 

We need him for the second half of the season a lot more than in the first half.

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,150]

1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I saw it that way as well. 

He appears to be over the main injuries but it seems like there are side effects in other parts of his foot: "Having lost support in my foot and running differently and putting different loads through different bones, I've just got these little niggles popping up every now and then".  

Little niggles could be anything from a sore big toe to ...?  Whatever the niggles they are enough to limit him to training for at least 3 - 4 weeks before he steps into a match.

Methinks, if it was just a case of match fitness he would be playing the Casey practice match this weekend. 

I suppose it all comes down to how much fitness he lost in his injury/recovery/rehab time.  It's possible that he's not even fit enough for  a Casey match...

 

I may be naive, but as soon as he joined the main training group, my concerns about his injury dissolved.

[sue 8,412]

42 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

I suppose it all comes down to how much fitness he lost in his injury/recovery/rehab time.  It's possible that he's not even fit enough for  a Casey match...

Surely he'd be fit enough for a quarter or even less - even a little would help with match fitness.  Shouldn't worry Casey too much to have a 'leaner' in the team as it is only a practice match.  So if he doesn't play, it raises a concern that he is not over injuries.

Edited March 15, 2018 by sue

[Bring-Back-Powell 13,103]

Bring him back around round 9. Give him a proper 2 month "pre season", 2-3 VFL games and have him primed by mid May.

It will probably cost us a win or 2, but we need this bloke fit and firing and playing career best footy in July - August when we'll be trying to make finals while dealing with a horror draw to end the season. 

[Willmoy1947 3,762]

While i can understand the fervour and intensity for this player, and i love him like everyone else, i would hate us all to get into a state where he might feel obligated to the Club/supporters to rush out onto the ground, come whichever, round 10, or whenever it is, bowl22 blokes over, BOG, and break a leg. Can't we cut him a bit of slack and just let things roll on in their natural order...........

[hemingway 7,583]

3 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I was thinking the same thing. 

I can't be bothered going thru the 'Jack Viney Foot' threads but I recall confident predictions by the club/Jack, that he would be on the training track (not just in rehab) pre Xmas; then early/mid Jan; then late Jan/early feb; then ready to play a JLT game; then ready to play round 1; revised now ready to play round 3 (maybe). 

Posters who think there have been no setbacks and this was always the plan should go and read those threads.  

I know that things change and progress is unpredictable but the constant revisions makes them look like they have no idea or they are leading us on or both.   

The club/Jack could simply say '...its a work in progress...' without a time line attached.

And would still be criticized for not providing further details and time line. A no-win for the club. 

Simply highlights the difficulty of knowing the length associated with healing. Just can't be sure. 

Also the seriousness and complexities of foot injuries in the modern game.  

[Gator 16,891]

It's pretty clear that the club isn't rushing Viney, so I'm not sure why there are so many concerns on here and people that have zero clue as to his body and where's it's at saying he should hardly play in the first half of the season.  They wouldn't have the foggiest when it's right for him to play.

[What 18,810]

If only the club was this cautious with his foot when he first hurt it.

[Demons1858 1,657]

23 hours ago, Is Dom Is Good said:

End of the day he should have taken his time last season to ensure he was right to play.

He has obviously learnt from this and will be taking the extra time to be 100% right before playing. We can cover him for the first 2-3 rounds but will need a fit a firing Viney as the season drags on.

I dont blame Jack for wanting to come back early most players do. l do blame our sports science team and medical staff for giving him the green light however

[hemingway 7,583]

18 hours ago, ProDee said:

It's pretty clear that the club isn't rushing Viney, so I'm not sure why there are so many concerns on here and people that have zero clue as to his body and where's it's at saying he should hardly play in the first half of the season.  They wouldn't have the foggiest when it's right for him to play.

Perhaps so but folks are understandably nervous given the seriousness of the injury and the importance of the player. 

The abortive return last season and the changing messages this season has not helped sooth posters anxieties. 

Our track record of managing injuries and doubts about the expertise of our medical staff (relative to other clubs) does not help perceptions. . 

None of us know all the facts or real story but folks have opinions.  However, we do know how important Jack is to the team and team success.  Hence the anxiety. 

You are probably right, we don't have the foggiest idea when it's right for him to play.  However, we don't want him to come back to soon and re-injure his foot with all the consequences for the season ahead. 

The fact that the club has decided to give Viney more time should be seen in a positive light.

Ultimately, no-one can be sure whether his foot is going to stand-up to the rigors of training and weekly matches. As with other serious and chronic injuries, it will require on-going and weekly management. 

[pitmaster 3,054]

On 3/15/2018 at 8:03 AM, Wiseblood said:

A slightly sensationalist headline there, pitmaster.

It sounds like he won't return until Round 3 not because of a setback to the injury, but because they want to get some game time in before he does so to ensure he's ready to go.

It's not ideal, but hardly a 'worst fear confirmed' scenario.

I apologise. Yes it was somewhat wild but for this admirer of JV this is a scary development. I have read Jack's remarks today and it seems he is still feeling his way through a modified running action. I hope he is fit and raring for round three but I won'd be fully confident until he has been back to what we know he is capable of for a few months.

 

For me a setback was worst case...or at least it left worst case as a prospect. 

[DSP 1,488]

Whatever happens, do NOT bring him back under done. If he needs another week or 2 or 3 then give let him have it.