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1 hour ago, DemonAndrew said:

t mac report - another metatarsal injury ffs: https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/melbourne-swingman-tom-mcdonald-in-doubt-for-round-1-clash-with-geelong-at-the-mcg/news-story/47f971e45c3636e4fef6068f80175a56

looks like jones needs injections to manage his back, and lewis is battling

Ffs. Really. Not another cut down. This is too much

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3 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Interesting points.

Viney apparently ran slightly differently after the plantar fascia (which led to the stress fracture in his third metatarsal), so one does wonder whether McDonald's ankle surgery has led to a slightly different running pattern also, which could perhaps have meant he favoured a part of the foot, which in turn led to a "hotspot".

Is it coming back to soon, or the body (mind) over compensating for a recent injury in the biomechanics of running ?

I'm not equipped to know.

They test the biomechanics in the rehab process. That's been the big issue with Vanders, he's not flexing his ankle right after so much heel trouble that they can't progress him to running.

I'm sure they've done a lot of that stuff with Tom and it's why they start (and often stay) in the rehab group for so long.

I was a bit angry before and shot my mouth off. Really when I look across the competition I think our guys do a good job, but I also think we've had a lot of foot injuries for a long time and I'm not sure if we have nailed the right solution. There's probably limitations about what we can do with the ground at Gosch's - although I think it's in good condition. There's talk that players have shoe deals that means they have to wear certain brands of footwear. So many variables and I'm not sure the best surgeons, biomechanists, fitness guys, physios etc really understand the feet all that well anyway!

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I am not fussed about injuries. I, of course. would prefer that we did not have any but it is an unreasonable expectation to go through the season without any. We are going to have injuries right through the year from Round 1 through to Round 23 and beyond.

Looking at our, list and the development we have invested in the players and the coaching group I am confident that we will be able to put competitive teams out each and every week. 

No Viney in the JLT and we have a more than competitive midfield in both games. TMac not there in JLT2 and we have 13 goal kickers in a strong win.

We have a good group of players that have the flexibility and desire to cover for one another.

Looking forward to this season and do not see R1 as defining the season.

 

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Hopefully they've caught Tmacs injury early and if he needs to miss 3 or 4 games to get it right, he can still play the majority of the season 

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45 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

but I also think we've had a lot of foot injuries for a long time and I'm not sure if we have nailed the right solution. There's probably limitations about what we can do with the ground at Gosch's - although I think it's in good condition.

Thought about the ground myself but walked past it today and it looks in superb condition.

If we were training at Docklands then that would be a concern but we don't even play a lot of footy there...

Do we have more foot injuries than other clubs or is it a competition wide problem?

I guess we can be a bit myopic so it seems like we do but it would be interesting to know the competition wide stats...

 

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1 hour ago, rjay said:

Before I get howled down by many for not being a doctor, as an observation from afar it seems that 2 players (both renowned hard trainers) have tried to come back a bit too soon from foot/ankle injuries and have had problems.

 

Tom McD had ankle operations, this is toe. How to see how they're related or how he "tried to come back a bit too soon".

Given the load their bodies are under, coupled with it being a gruelling, contact sport, injuries and breakdowns are just going to happen. There aren't always going to be "reasons", much as we'd love to attribute them.

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https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-injury-updates-your-clubs-injury-concerns-going-into-round-1/news-story/e888a9c539757144151e78c3403ec2c0 

MELBOURNE

Demons co-captain Jack Viney has been ruled out of Round 1 with the foot injury that has plagued him throughout the summer. Jordan Lewis missed last week’s JLT Series game with a calf complaint, though the club is confident he’ll be fit in time for the season-opener. Dom Tyson has returned from a calf strain, while Tom McDonald should be fine having missed last week’s game with a toe problem. Alex Neal-Bullen has quad tightness.

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You will probably have noticed, but on the news tonight, Ablett suggested he may not return to training until the start of next week. If that's the case, it seems extremely unlikely that he will run onto the ground in round 1. Just to balance the gloom with some potential joy.

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46 minutes ago, Demonland said:

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-injury-updates-your-clubs-injury-concerns-going-into-round-1/news-story/e888a9c539757144151e78c3403ec2c0 

MELBOURNE

Demons co-captain Jack Viney has been ruled out of Round 1 with the foot injury that has plagued him throughout the summer. Jordan Lewis missed last week’s JLT Series game with a calf complaint, though the club is confident he’ll be fit in time for the season-opener. Dom Tyson has returned from a calf strain, while Tom McDonald should be fine having missed last week’s game with a toe problem. Alex Neal-Bullen has quad tightness.

Demons will do a much better job covering Viney, TMac, Lewis, Tyson and ANB, than the Cats will do with Dangerfield & Ablett!

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Interesting how this was posted just 4 days ago 

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Geez if this hot spot does it’s usual thing for us and keeps Tom out for months then our key position forward stocks are very thin. We need Weid and Smith to start firing...

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14 hours ago, Chelly said:

The Herald Sun has had a crack at producing injury lists for all club’s in this article - All the latest injury news at your club ahead of Round 1

FWIW, this is Melbourne’s list:

MELBOURNE

Jack Viney (foot)
Jordan Lewis (calf)
Dean Kent (shoulder)
Aaron vandenBerg (foot)
Oscar McDonald (back tightness)
Joel Smith

The Demons have conceded midfielder Jack Viney won’t be fit for their season-opener against Geelong. Viney, who has battled a persistent foot injury, could still line-up for Casey in a VFL practice match against Box Hill but the Dees have already ruled him out for Round 1.

“We have decided that to give Jack the best preparation for the full year, he will not be available for selection for Round 1,” football manager Josh Mahoney said last week.

The Dees, however, are optimistic Jordan Lewis will recover from calf tightess in time for the Cats clash. The ex-Hawk missed Melbourne’s second JLT match with the issue.

Defender Oscar McDonald was Melbourne’s only injury concern from last Thursday night’s match against the Saints.

And for good measure, Geelong’s list:

GEELONG

Gary Ablett (hamstring)
Patrick Dangerfield (hamstring)
Rhys Stanley (calf)
Stewart Crameri (knee)
Sam Menegola (calf)
Scott Selwood (ankle)
Lachie Henderson (knee)

Patrick Dangerfield will have scans on his injured hamstring today to determine the extent of his injury after pulling up short while kicking against Essendon in Colac on Sunday. The star immediately left the field and sent a major scare through the Geelong camp. The Cats won’t take any risks with the star and will likely make sure he is fit for the majority of the season rather than rushing him back for the season opener.

The Cats could be without two of their star midfield trio with Gary Ablett racing the clock to be fit for the clash with Melbourne with his own hamstring issue. The Cats said initially Ablett’s hamstring was only minor but he didn’t feature at all in the JLT Series and given he has a recent history of hamstring problems, it is a concern.

Rhys Stanley is also in significant doubt for Round 1 after hurting his calf, while Nakia Cockatoo (calf), Stewart Crameri (knee) and Sam Menegola (calf) are also racing the clock to be fit.

Scott Selwood and Lachie Henderson have all but been ruled out of Round 1 with ankle and knee injuries respectively.

Tom McD is an uncertain starter at this point, as well.

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Although I think the Big Mac is 1st picked, Im excited that Pedo looks to be an option.

I rate him highly and would like him to be in the Ones early in the year.  

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31 minutes ago, deejammin' said:

Geez if this hot spot does it’s usual thing for us and keeps Tom out for months then our key position forward stocks are very thin. We need Weid and Smith to start firing...

I'm not sure that Weideman replaces T McDonald given the expectation that the role McDonald was expected to play included ruck support for Gawn. Or, to look at it another way, if McDonald doesn't play, who supports Gawn? The answer is surely Pedersen, not Weideman. 

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5 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I'm not sure that Weideman replaces T McDonald given the expectation that the role McDonald was expected to play included ruck support for Gawn. Or, to look at it another way, if McDonald doesn't play, who supports Gawn? The answer is surely Pedersen, not Weideman. 

I think it is definitely Pederson and Hogan as our KPF the only problem is when Pederson goes into the ruck do we have just Hogan forward? Does Gawn rest forward? Is this enough rest for him? Is this sustainable for multiple rounds with only two guys? It also makes the idea of rotating Hogan through the midfield more difficult. We may need a third tall (Weideman or Smith) anyway. 

However my point was more if we sustain injury/suspension to Hoges or Pederson we may need Weid or Bull very soon.

 

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.... or we just change up the forward line a bit, We have a few mid sized forwards that are pretty capable, not sure if Hannan, Fritsch, Melk, Harmes, Petracca, ANB, Bugg etc were all going to squeeze into the one forward line in our 22.   

I still think Pedo is the obvious inclusion for TMac if he doesn't get up for  Rnd 1, but I wouldn't be unhappy with a smaller more mobile forward line if it came to that.

We have a strong number of goal scoring options in 2018 with our depth.

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On 3/5/2018 at 3:12 PM, ProDee said:

Hardeman the closest.

Icke no.

Wight no.

Hughes hell no.

Really difficult to compare those great backmen of the recent past and to rank them as well; but, it is good to remember them and others who gave the MFC some respect in a difficult 20 years, or so. Here is my ranking, just for interest:

1. Hardeman

2. Steven Icke

3. Danny Hughes

4. Frank Davis

5. Brett Bailey

6. Graeme Yeats

7. Peter Rhode

8. Glenn Lovett

9. Matthew Whelan

10. Jared Rivers

11. Peter Giles

There are, incidentally, many more that I really enjoyed watching their skills and efforts for a team that was regularly thumped.

 

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10 minutes ago, Ouch! said:

.... or we just change up the forward line a bit, We have a few mid sized forwards that are pretty capable, not sure if Hannan, Fritsch, Melk, Harmes, Petracca, ANB, Bugg etc were all going to squeeze into the one forward line in our 22.   

I still think Pedo is the obvious inclusion for TMac if he doesn't get up for  Rnd 1, but I wouldn't be unhappy with a smaller more mobile forward line if it came to that.

We have a strong number of goal scoring options in 2018 with our depth.

I think we have to play Pederson for Tmac as we need a back-up ruck. I think we probably intended on playing both TMac and Pederson round one if they were available. 

We have excellent depth in mid size forwards and small forwards but are very thin in KPF/Back up rucks. We are now an injury away from having both Pederson and TMac out and needing a Weideman etc in for second tall forward/backup ruck. That was my only point, I have no problem with trying a smaller line-up but having only two KPF will put a lot of pressure on Gawn and Hogan.

WE can always go the Grigg/Richmond route and have Petracca or a mid sized player play back-up ruck I guess. The downside would be the risk of injury.

 

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Damn autocorrect!

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2 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Really difficult to compare those great backmen of the recent past and to rank them as well; but, it is good to remember them and others who gave the MFC some respect in a difficult 20 years, or so. Here is my ranking, just for interest:

1. Hardeman

2. Steven Icke

3. Danny Hughes

4. Frank Davis

5. Brett Bailey

6. Graeme Yeats

7. Peter Rhode

8. Glenn Lovett

9. Matthew Whelan

10. Jared Rivers

11. Peter Giles

There are, incidentally, many more that I really enjoyed watching their skills and efforts for a team that was regularly thumped.

 

i presume you mean brett lovett?

my 33 years watching the dees i'd go this as order of great defenders for the dees:

1. sean wight
2. alan johnson
(expecting this spot to very quickly be filled by lever, but really he could end up being the best defender we've had)
3. brett lovett
4. matthew whelan
5. adem yze
6. jared rivers
7. graeme yeats
8. james frawley
9. neville jetta
10. anthony ingerson

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1 minute ago, DemonAndrew said:

i presume you mean brett lovett?

my 33 years watching the dees i'd go this as order of great defenders for the dees:

1. sean wight
2. alan johnson
(expecting this spot to very quickly be filled by lever, but really he could end up being the best defender we've had)
3. brett lovett
4. matthew whelan
5. adem yze
6. jared rivers
7. graeme yeats
8. james frawley
9. neville jetta
10. anthony ingerson

Really strong DA. Great players, all. Yep, Brett Lovett was intended. Sean Wight and Alan J were in my original list and accidentally overlooked around 4-6. I overlooked Yze only because of his frequent forward work. Frawley was good but to me, not as great. Jetta is definitely the best interceptor we have over the past two 'revival' years. Thanks for the comparisons. Always fun...

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15 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Really difficult to compare those great backmen of the recent past and to rank them as well; but, it is good to remember them and others who gave the MFC some respect in a difficult 20 years, or so. Here is my ranking, just for interest:

1. Hardeman

2. Steven Icke

3. Danny Hughes

4. Frank Davis

5. Brett Bailey

6. Graeme Yeats

7. Peter Rhode

8. Glenn Lovett

9. Matthew Whelan

10. Jared Rivers

11. Peter Giles

There are, incidentally, many more that I really enjoyed watching their skills and efforts for a team that was regularly thumped.

 

My 3 best would be Icke,Yeates and Whelan.

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11 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

No love for David Neitz as a defender?

A great backman moved on to the forward line, elite at both ends of the ground. Memory is a big issue for me, at times. 

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