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But Richmond's is worse.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-champion-data-sydney-ranked-as-the-leagues-best-midfield-group-for-season-2018/news-story/f12fdceb85cb9c77cffe93dbe950ad9b

CHAMPION DATA’S 2018 MIDFIELD RATINGS

1. Sydney

2. GWS Giants

3. Collingwood

4. Western Bulldogs

5. Adelaide

6. Port Adelaide

7. Geelong

8. St Kilda

9. Hawthorn

10. Essendon

11. Melbourne *

12. Richmond

13. North Melbourne

14. Fremantle

15. West Coast

16. Brisbane

17. Gold Coast

18. Carlton

* We were 18th last year so we're on the rise. :P

 

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I'd agree our mids are run of the mill, but in 2 years time when Oliver has 3 years, Trac is playing in the midfield, Viney has taken it up another notch, Brayshaw hopefully is playing consistent football. At the min Oliver and Jones are our best two mids and Jones isn't an A grade mid, Oliver on his way there same as Viney. 

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Ancient history.

This time last year the statts were saying the Tigers had buggar all chance of winning the GF.

The statts that count will be the ones that we create this year

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45 minutes ago, Demonland said:

But Richmond's is worse.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-champion-data-sydney-ranked-as-the-leagues-best-midfield-group-for-season-2018/news-story/f12fdceb85cb9c77cffe93dbe950ad9b

CHAMPION DATA’S 2018 MIDFIELD RATINGS

1. Sydney

2. GWS Giants

3. Collingwood

4. Western Bulldogs

5. Adelaide

6. Port Adelaide

7. Geelong

8. St Kilda

9. Hawthorn

10. Essendon

11. Melbourne *

12. Richmond

13. North Melbourne

14. Fremantle

15. West Coast

16. Brisbane

17. Gold Coast

18. Carlton

* We were 18th last year so we're on the rise. :P

 

This list is full of bull, they  obviously don't rate midfielders hitting targets in the forward 50 collingwood was one of the worst in the league in that stat.

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Yep, not sure what metrics they're using for Collingwood vs the rest of the competition. Laughable. Also would have rated our midfield higher than St Kilda.

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St Kilda is above us...

...would anyone seriously take St Kilda's midfield ahead of ours?

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2 minutes ago, rjay said:

St Kilda is above us...

...would anyone seriously take St Kilda's midfield ahead of ours?

NO

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Having read some of champion data's AFL prospectus I thought they'd ranked the Pies midfield 6th, not 3rd. Could be wrong though. They do have a decent top end of mids in Pendlebury, Sidebottom and Treloar.

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37 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

The rating of Geelong as seventh is staggering.

Agreed.

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Champions Data's capability to gather information is excellent.

Their ability to interpret that information is dubious.

 

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So the Tigers midfield helps drive them to win a Premiership and it's ranked 12th in the competition...

Interesting :laugh:

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I laugh that a statistical analysis company comes up with ranking lists based purely on the number of players ranked in the 'elite' and 'above average' categories.

I'd think you'd start with rating the individual players with a numerical value relative to a replacement level player, then place a grading on last years important stats - be they clearances, contested possessions, tackles, disposal efficiency, score assists etc and then make some projections based on age, additions and subtractions and so on.

Maybe Champion Data do all of that but they sully their brand by releasing crap like this to the public.

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2 hours ago, Fat Tony said:

The rating of Geelong as seventh is staggering.

would you have them higher or lower?  

seems about fair to me.  would have collingwood behind them though

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18 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I laugh that a statistical analysis company comes up with ranking lists based purely on the number of players ranked in the 'elite' and 'above average' categories.

I'd think you'd start with rating the individual players with a numerical value relative to a replacement level player, then place a grading on last years important stats - be they clearances, contested possessions, tackles, disposal efficiency, score assists etc and then make some projections based on age, additions and subtractions and so on.

Maybe Champion Data do all of that but they sully their brand by releasing crap like this to the public.

They might sully their brand but nonsense like this presumably helps sell the AFL Prospectus. Whether Champion Data gets a commission on sales or whether they just need for there to be enough sales for the AFL to want to keep publishing the Prospectus, Champion Data's interest in this case is still the numbers, but this time one that's written with a dollar sign at the beginning.

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2 minutes ago, DubDee said:

would you have them higher or lower?  

seems about fair to me.  would have collingwood behind them though

Geelong would have the best midfield in the competition on paper with Dangerfield, Selwood, Ablett and Duncan.

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As for our midfield.

I expect Gawn to bounce back and win or draw most weeks in the ruck and just as importantly I expect our stoppage set ups to utilise his advantage far better than last year.

It's hard not be excited by the idea of Oliver, Petracca and Viney together and if they work with Gawn then we're off to a good start. I'm confident Jones will find his spot playing a mix of inside and outside footy and his form before injury last year was as good as any of his career. I find elite a silly word in footy but those 5 guys are by any definition above average players. I think there's really only a bunch of truly elite midfielders - Martin, Dangerfield, Fyfe, Pendlebury, Selwood, Josh Kennedy. The difference between the 10th and 30th best midfielder at any time is form. A fit and in form Viney is far closer to 10th than 30th.

The question will be what happens with the last few midfield spots, especially given we couldn't find a good game plan and stoppage set ups that really utilised the wingers last year. Tyson, Stretch, Brayshaw and Harmes probably compete for 2 spots in the midfield mix and maybe a forward spot. The ability of those guys to contribute each week will be important in taking us from a middle of the road midfield to an above average one.

The final spot is pencilled in for Salem and I hope he gets an extended run of midfield footy to see if he can make it as a mid. He's the quality player to take the midfield group up a level. 

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I knew this would be more Champion Data craziness just from reading the title.

Go have a look at their 2017 AA team. Their statistical model is badly flawed.

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Someone should tell Champion Data we just won AFLX.

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3 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Someone should tell Champion Data we just won AFLX.

If we are honest ET we won one third of it.

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19 minutes ago, Tony Tea said:

Ridiculous table. Collingwood in not No.1

They would be runaway leaders of the grog and illicit product ladder though.

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3 hours ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Champions Data's capability to gather information is excellent.

Their ability to interpret that information is dubious.

 

 

 

The trend is your friend, till you meet the bend - then never catch the falling knife.  

Champion Data doesn't need to interpret their data - it is up to you to build the model. Champion Data is a goldmine.  

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18 minutes ago, DaveyDee said:

 

 

The trend is your friend, till you meet the bend - then never catch the falling knife.  

Champion Data doesn't need to interpret their data - it is up to you to build the model. Champion Data is a goldmine.  

The only thing champion Data is good  for, is helping you pick your AFL fantasy team

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