Preseason Training Week commencing - 22/01/18

[Satyriconhome 9,982]

 

Edited January 24, 2018 by Satyriconhome

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14 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 

The decision to keep Weideman in the side early on the year while Pedo was in hot form is another mind boggling decision. 

Sorry, but Goody and the selection committee need to be on their toes this year, as last year some decision were quiet questionable.

Can only whole heartedly agree.  Go dees

[Six6Six 1,507]

Photos from todays training.

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[daisycutter 28,485]

1 hour ago, Petraccattack said:

I dont believe the favourites angle.

I believe Weid was in the team as he is talented and was a high draft pick, and the coaches were testing the waters to see if they could get an early return on investment. He wasn't ready.

He certainly wasn't in the team on form or merit.

agreed, and i don't think that's just an opinion, more like what the facts say 

[What 18,810]

1 hour ago, Satyriconhome said:

Again an opinion, everbody is entitled to them

Why was he in the team then?

 

[Satyriconhome 9,982]

1 hour ago, Petraccattack said:

Why was he in the team then?

 

Any decision that doesn't achieve the desired outcome can be categorized as questionable

That's why there are so many hindsight experts, paricularly in the footy environment

Also why not many are brave, or foolish enough, to take on a senior AFL coaching role

Paul Roos used to get a prodigious amount of email coaching and selection tips from these experts

Imagine if he had actually listened

He also told me if he picked 15 different teams one weekend, he still wouldn't please everyone

Examples

Weed and Hogan had been training most the pre season and it was hoped they would form a good partnership in 2017, Pedo was still remodelling himself into the Lean Machine we see today, so Weed was preferred, it didn't work, shock horror, move on

JKH was tearing up the VFL, he got a chance and not only told me but the Club Website he had let himself, the other players and the coaches down with his performances, shock horror, it didn't work, move on

I know Ben Kennedy had some deficiencies in his game that he couldn't fix, hence no games and delisting

Who would have picked Hannan to debut and play so many games, a guy who had gone VAFA/VFL/AFL in three seasons, don't remember seeing him in many pre season best 22 that the experts nominated,  was the decision to play him questionable at the time? Or an inspired decision in hindsight.

You could fill a topic with pages to rival the Jack Watts traded topic on coaching selections that have either worked or not worked over the lastx10 years, with each expert offering up different opinions, nobody is right or wrong, just a different take or view on each decision and why it was taken

 

[Tough Kent 2,049]

Is there any update on Trac’s knee? 

[Demon trucker 1,740]

6 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Any decision that doesn't achieve the desired outcome can be categorized as questionable

That's why there are so many hindsight experts, paricularly in the footy environment

Also why not many are brave, or foolish enough, to take on a senior AFL coaching role

Paul Roos used to get a prodigious amount of email coaching and selection tips from these experts

Imagine if he had actually listened

He also told me if he picked 15 different teams one weekend, he still wouldn't please everyone

Examples

Weed and Hogan had been training most the pre season and it was hoped they would form a good partnership in 2017, Pedo was still remodelling himself into the Lean Machine we see today, so Weed was preferred, it didn't work, shock horror, move on

JKH was tearing up the VFL, he got a chance and not only told me but the Club Website he had let himself, the other players and the coaches down with his performances, shock horror, it didn't work, move on

I know Ben Kennedy had some deficiencies in his game that he couldn't fix, hence no games and delisting

Who would have picked Hannan to debut and play so many games, a guy who had gone VAFA/VFL/AFL in three seasons, don't remember seeing him in many pre season best 22 that the experts nominated,  was the decision to play him questionable at the time? Or an inspired decision in hindsight.

You could fill a topic with pages to rival the Jack Watts traded topic on coaching selections that have either worked or not worked over the lastx10 years, with each expert offering up different opinions, nobody is right or wrong, just a different take or view on each decision and why it was taken

 

The thing with weeds when he and hogan both played weeds kick a few goals, around 1, 4kicks 8handpass 1 goal, around 2 he kick 2 goals,  so he played his part in those games with hogan, when hogan was suspended he had no help from  hogan in rounds 3 and 4, hogan took the  pressure off him in rounds 1 and 2 and so in rounds 3 & 4 his performance went down. There is always a bigger picture more to the story.

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1 hour ago, Tough Kent said:

Is there any update on Trac’s knee? 

Read the opening post in this thread (and see Saty’s photo a few posts down) and I think your question will be answered.

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18 minutes ago, hardtack said:

Read the opening post in this thread (and see Saty’s photo a few posts down) and I think your question will be answered.

The open post  and pictures was on Monday the knee happened on Wednesday, how does that answer it

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17 minutes ago, don't make me angry said:

The open post  and pictures was on Monday the knee happened on Wednesday, how does that answer it

Ok, my mistake.  I didn't realise he had hurt his knee on Wednesday... I thought this was in reference to the fact he had been in the recovery group recently.

[hardtack 10,126]

11 hours ago, picket fence said:

I can just see it! Season ending injury to .......... In this bulltish hybrid Carp!

You've got us finishing 10th anyway... so does it really matter?

[Dee Zephyr 17,414]

19 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Get this in the right thread:

Petracca left knee soreness, looked like he jarred it. Given a good look over by the physios then limped back to AAMI (by himself). Hopefully not major but I think he’d be on light duties for the training camp. 

Nice early victim of the media buzz after the training the house down article was written yesterday 

 

10 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Again an opinion, everbody is entitled to them

Thanks for all the reports and pics.

How is Wagner tracking along this summer?

I'd imagine it would be hard to get a spot in our back 6 this season. 

[Marco 69]

Regarding Trac's Knee-I'm getting lost in all the threads.Did he injure his knee Wednesday and how bad did it look?

[Demonland 64,736]

13 minutes ago, Marco said:

Regarding Trac's Knee-I'm getting lost in all the threads.Did he injure his knee Wednesday and how bad did it look?

@DeeSpencer reported on Wednesday that Petracca appeared to have "left knee soreness, looked like he jarred it. Given a good look over by the physios then limped back to AAMI (by himself)."

[watchtheeyes 1,210]

On Petracca, in my emerging panic I have trawled the internet and social media and found no comment - no news is good news in my book.

Plus, his instagram shows that he was in the park playing with his/a dog sometime yesterday evening.. You would think that if it was serious he would be at home with it elevated and on ice.

 

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1 hour ago, Demonland said:

@DeeSpencer reported on Wednesday that Petracca appeared to have "left knee soreness, looked like he jarred it. Given a good look over by the physios then limped back to AAMI (by himself)."

As I have stated many times if the player feels even the slightest twinge they report it, Trac may have felt something      session over

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17 minutes ago, watchtheeyes said:

On Petracca, in my emerging panic I have trawled the internet and social media and found no comment - no news is good news in my book.

Plus, his instagram shows that he was in the park playing with his/a dog sometime yesterday evening.. You would think that if it was serious he would be at home with it elevated and on ice.

 

I too think it was good sign that he walked (ok limped) back to AAMI unassisted (and alone).

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3 hours ago, watchtheeyes said:

On Petracca, in my emerging panic I have trawled the internet and social media and found no comment - no news is good news in my book.

Plus, his instagram shows that he was in the park playing with his/a dog sometime yesterday evening.. You would think that if it was serious he would be at home with it elevated and on ice.

 

Hope there were no frisby's in the pic?

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12 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

You could fill a topic with pages to rival the Jack Watts traded topic on coaching selections that have either worked or not worked over the lastx10 years, with each expert offering up different opinions, nobody is right or wrong, just a different take or view on each decision and why it was taken

 

You play this line every time you are questioned as if it absconds you from being wrong - it doesn't.  Your opinion can be wrong.

Your assertion earlier was that the 22 who play on match day will be selected from those who are fit and in form.  I love the fact that we have greater depth now and there is far more competition for spots, but to say selection is based on those two things is wrong.  That's not opinion, it's fact.  They are two different things. 

Weideman is a prime example.  In the JLT series last year he kicked just 2 goals in 3 games.  That's not someone in form, yet he was picked anyway as they 'hoped' he would form a partnership with Hogan up forward.  Many questioned this decision from the outset and were proven right.  He was picked more on potential and what they wanted from him up forward than his form or even his fitness in a game.

We all know Joel Smith was rushed back way, way, way too early.  Ditto for Jack Viney and even Max Gawn, who admitted he was probably brought back a little sooner than he should have.  It's clear that the team needed them, regardless of their current form or their fitness.

We could go on and on about this, but we come back to the 'opinion' you've arrived at that Goodwin will select the team based on their form and fitness.  That's just not going to the case.  You go with it every year but we end up with the same results.

You can have your own opinions but you can't have your own facts.

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54 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

You play this line every time you are questioned as if it absconds you from being wrong - it doesn't.  Your opinion can be wrong.

Your assertion earlier was that the 22 who play on match day will be selected from those who are fit and in form.  I love the fact that we have greater depth now and there is far more competition for spots, but to say selection is based on those two things is wrong.  That's not opinion, it's fact.  They are two different things. 

Weideman is a prime example.  In the JLT series last year he kicked just 2 goals in 3 games.  That's not someone in form, yet he was picked anyway as they 'hoped' he would form a partnership with Hogan up forward.  Many questioned this decision from the outset and were proven right.  He was picked more on potential and what they wanted from him up forward than his form or even his fitness in a game.

We all know Joel Smith was rushed back way, way, way too early.  Ditto for Jack Viney and even Max Gawn, who admitted he was probably brought back a little sooner than he should have.  It's clear that the team needed them, regardless of their current form or their fitness.

We could go on and on about this, but we come back to the 'opinion' you've arrived at that Goodwin will select the team based on their form and fitness.  That's just not going to the case.  You go with it every year but we end up with the same results.

You can have your own opinions but you can't have your own facts.

While I generally agree with all that, it does come down to interpretation of words. For example you could say that Gawn was picked on form and fitness even though his fitness was not 100% . His fitness may have been judged as sufficient (wrongly as it turns out).  Ditto for form which is even more elusive to judge.  If you had to pick a full team of players who were all 100% fit, you'd have trouble fielding a team.  You pick some players who are not 100% because you think x% is sufficient for that match.

But surely Saty is not denying that sometimes a player will be picked with an eye to future personal and team development above another older player who plays the same position and may be in form (by his standards) and fit?   Particularly when the time of the year, state of the ladder, likely opponent is taken into account.   

I haven't followed this blue closely, but I thought all Saty originally meant was that there is no guaranteed spot for players out of form (as many allege we did do in the past). Saty? 

That doesn't mean there will be no players picked for other reasons, or even an out-of-form player may be picked because the coach feels in his gut that the player is about to turn the corner. 

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9 minutes ago, sue said:

While I generally agree with all that, it does come down to interpretation of words. For example you could say that Gawn was picked on form and fitness even though his fitness was not 100% . His fitness may have been judged as sufficient (wrongly as it turns out).  Ditto for form which is even more elusive to judge.  If you had to pick a full team of players who were all 100% fit, you'd have trouble fielding a team.  You pick some players who are not 100% because you think x% is sufficient for that match.

But surely Saty is not denying that sometimes a player will be picked with an eye to future personal and team development above another older player who plays the same position and may be in form (by his standards) and fit?   Particularly when the time of the year, state of the ladder, likely opponent is taken into account.   

I haven't followed this blue closely, but I thought all Saty originally meant was that there is no guaranteed spot for players out of form (as many allege we did do in the past). Saty? 

That doesn't mean there will be no players picked for other reasons, or even an out-of-form player may be picked because the coach feels in his gut that the player is about to turn the corner. 

I haven't read what Wiseblood posted, I'm over his contributions and going to put him on ignore

Correct, this is what I said, but the 'experts' on here whose sole purpose seems to be to pick fights so they can demonstrate their superior football knowledge decided to run with it

And as I put in my post,  doesn't matter who Goodwin picks it will not please everybody, the good thing is it won't concern Goodwin in the least

[Wiseblood 24,636]

30 minutes ago, sue said:

I haven't followed this blue closely,

Sue, just wanted to clarify that this isn't a blue at all.  More a discussion than anything else, although I must admit much of what I'm 'discussing' has been done before.  I should know better.

14 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

I haven't read what Wiseblood posted, I'm over his contributions and going to put him on ignore

Correct, this is what I said, but the 'experts' on here whose sole purpose seems to be to pick fights so they can demonstrate their superior football knowledge decided to run with it

And as I put in my post,  doesn't matter who Goodwin picks it will not please everybody, the good thing is it won't concern Goodwin in the least

If you had read what I posted you would quickly realise I haven't picked a fight at all, merely questioned an assertion you made re: selection on an earlier page.  Where have I picked a fight?  I haven't been rude, mean, derogatory etc.  I haven't even gone off topic as a large part of selection is based on training.

It just goes to show that you won't partake in a proper discussion with anybody, you would rather hide behind your 'opinion' argument than actually do it with maturity.

 

[Elwood 3184 1,265]

Is there training tomorrow?

[Ethan Tremblay 28,358]

2 minutes ago, Elwood 3184 said:

Is there training tomorrow?

Nuh mate ‘Straya Day.