Boot Camp 2017 cancelled by Players

[Drunkn167 5,093]

http://afl.com.au/news/2017-12-14/players-worries-prompt-dees-to-cancel-camp

I knew about this a couple of days ago but pretty interesting the Players were so strongly against it

Thoughts?

Also apparently Goody was not happy at all

Edited December 14, 2017 by Drunkn167

[General Malaise 208]

This is either:

a) Good

b) Bad

[Ethan Tremblay 28,289]

I feel a riot coming on. 

Edited December 14, 2017 by Ethan Tremblay

[Demons1858 1,657]

Good chance they went thru the aflpa l suspect. Seems an unnecessary camp given they have one in Jan. Misson and co need a shake up

[daisycutter 28,456]

good start to 2018 season for fd/player relationships

just wait for the sledging

[brendan 3,380]

Lol didn’t they cancel stuff under a former coach, not a good look makes them look soft hopefully not a sign of things to come 

[Gator 16,891]

30 minutes ago, Drunkn167 said:

http://afl.com.au/news/2017-12-14/players-worries-prompt-dees-to-cancel-camp

I knew about this a couple of days ago but pretty interesting the Players were so strongly against it

Thoughts?

Also apparently Goody was not happy at all

These are the sort of comments I place little weight in.

It may or may not be true and is very open to interpretation.

[maximum bob 462]

Why on earth go on a so-called boot camp? Knock yourselves out boys, show me you're a man. Novices to the British army did boot camps. So did Borstal boys. We hopefully have a fine-tuned training/rehabilitation program already in place. No need for this type of macho [censored].

[DemonOX 8,529]

2 minutes ago, maximum bob said:

Why on earth go on a so-called boot camp? Knock yourselves out boys, show me you're a man. Novices to the British army did boot camps. So did Borstal boys. We hopefully have a fine-tuned training/rehabilitation program already in place. No need for this type of macho [censored].

Couldn’t agree more max. 

Its a load of cap. We need ball skills and conditioning big time. 

[Return to Glory 7,682]

It's been replaced by the full day spa experience at Peninsula Hot Springs with a dry needling option.

[sisso 2,383]

Wise decision: stick to training hard on a footy field and actually improving skills and gameplan instead of this rubbish

[ding 5,126]

Players obviously worried about dropping bagfulls of bricks on their heads.

 

(posted that before reading the article which mentions that same incident)

Edited December 14, 2017 by ding

[Lucifers Hero 36,983]

Big time deja vu happening forme - players cancelled training with Dean Bailey (ref Jim Stynes book).  Look where that got us!

On any level this does not sit right:

• This camp would have taken weeks/months to schedule and organise.  Were the players not consulted/told about it till last week?  Doesn't sound like two-way communication was happening.  Did the leadership group not sass out the players earlier?  How did it come to this.
• Other clubs walk the Kokada track - now that is gruelling.  Referring to Tyson and Salem last year is irrelevant.  Injuries can happen at any time - just ask Petracca who did his ACL simply going for a mark.  But we go weak at the knees at a few days at a boot camp.  Sheesh!
• We finally ditched the 'bruise free football' label.  But last year we proved the 'mentally weak' label over and over again, right up to round 23.
• Respect lost with 17 other teams
• Club talks about being ruthless.  Given the chance to walk the talk and do something really tough the players back off.

I'm staggered the club allowed the players to call the shots.  So much for Goodwin's tough talk.

My expectations for 2018 have been jolted - backwards.

Edited December 14, 2017 by Lucifer's Hero

[DeeSpencer 23,058]

Sack them all. Whinging off the Union, what a bunch of sooks.

Are Jones and Viney really not going to support the coach? 

Clarry would turn up. Gus Brayshaw's brother is in the Army, is he going to sook off. The mature age players desperate for a game aren't going to go?

If Salem doesn't want to go because he can't pack a backpack or if Tyson is worried about his precious knee then he and any of the others can stay home.

 

[rjay 23,866]

My view last year was that it wasn't a good idea and I still believe that to be the case.

Interesting that despite comments to the contrary it appears the players were not that enamoured with it at all.

You can't have outsiders with too much control.

[rjay 23,866]

1 minute ago, DeeSpencer said:

If Salem doesn't want to go because he can't pack a backpack or if Tyson is worried about his precious knee then he and any of the others can stay home.

It's not as simple as this 'Dee'...

[daisycutter 28,456]

well there goes the season

and the coach's credibility

and i've already renewed

bugger

[faultydet 7,593]

Need more info

On face value, it paints a terrible picture.

Who the hell are the players to cancel AYTHING?

 

Nope, just read the article. Bloody hell our mob are soft.

Disgraceful that they pulled the Workplace Health and Safety line.

Disgusted.

[DeeSpencer 23,058]

Just now, rjay said:

It's not as simple as this 'Dee'...

I'd make it that simple. I'd run the camp for those who want to do it and let Misson do what he wants with the others. If that puts a rift between players and coaches I'm fine with that. Too much focus on unity. I like conflict and I like coaches and players putting their reputation on the line.

Surely the camp would be modified this year to prevent injuries. Salem's was a freak injury and Tyson's angst I believe was that it aggravated an existing injury. 

But the other aspects - sleep deprivation, team work, whatever the other challenges involved - if the coach wants the players exposed to that he should have it.

[Lucifers Hero 36,983]

41 minutes ago, maximum bob said:

Why on earth go on a so-called boot camp? Knock yourselves out boys, show me you're a man. Novices to the British army did boot camps. So did Borstal boys. We hopefully have a fine-tuned training/rehabilitation program already in place. No need for this type of macho [censored].

 

36 minutes ago, DemonOX said:

Couldn’t agree more max. 

Its a load of cap. We need ball skills and conditioning big time. 

 

27 minutes ago, sisso said:

Wise decision: stick to training hard on a footy field and actually improving skills and gameplan instead of this rubbish

It isn't about the training options for the last few days before Christmas. 

It is about the poor communication between players/leaders and footy staff. 

It is about taking players out of their comfort zones.

And more importantly it is about not allowing players to call the shots.  Slippery slope right there.  So what now - anytime a player(s) don't want to do so something,  go when it is their turn or whatever, they cry 'too hard boss'!!

Edited December 14, 2017 by Lucifer's Hero

[frankie_d 1,407]

Wow - deja vu all over again.

I can't believe this - it seems unavoidable that  i) we have a bunch of softies and/or ii) the coaches and the players can't communicate with each other and/or iii) there's no leadership (a long time lament)

I wonder that PJ think... wonder what Roos thinks...

How can we avoid the charge of being a joke of a club?

[censored].

[64" 97]

[censored] pathetic if this is true.When do players decide what training they will do??

[rjay 23,866]

17 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I'd make it that simple. I'd run the camp for those who want to do it and let Misson do what he wants with the others. If that puts a rift between players and coaches I'm fine with that. Too much focus on unity. I like conflict and I like coaches and players putting their reputation on the line.

Surely the camp would be modified this year to prevent injuries. Salem's was a freak injury and Tyson's angst I believe was that it aggravated an existing injury. 

But the other aspects - sleep deprivation, team work, whatever the other challenges involved - if the coach wants the players exposed to that he should have it.

As I said, it's not that simple.

You don't know what the issue is with the players.

[Moonshadow 16,109]

38 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Sack them all. Whinging off the Union, what a bunch of sooks.

Are Jones and Viney really not going to support the coach? 

Clarry would turn up. Gus Brayshaw's brother is in the Army, is he going to sook off. The mature age players desperate for a game aren't going to go?

If Salem doesn't want to go because he can't pack a backpack or if Tyson is worried about his precious knee then he and any of the others can stay home.

 

Mate, stick to the training reports. Either you'e trolling for reaction or you have no idea of way professional sports and duty of care principles work. I hope it's the former

[Lucifers Hero 36,983]

5 minutes ago, rjay said:

As I said, it's not that simple.

You don't know what the issue is with the players.

That is true. 

But one would think there would be negotiation with players on whatever the 'deal breaker' aspect of the camp was for them.  After all the article says:  "The club's football department was satisfied they had taken significant measures to increase the safety for players after last year's camp".  So the club had acted on some known issues. 

Negotiating the activities at the camp is acceptable (not ideal).  But to boycott cancel the whole shebang.  I'm speechless and left wondering what sort of team are we?