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9 hours ago, Fork 'em said:

 
Wasted his own career and blew his coin more concerned with getting on the punt.
Now just babbling BS to earn a crust.

I would suggest a little unfair to say he wasted his career. He was flying high before his multiple knee reconstructions and was still serviceable in between. Unfair also to deflect into his personal problems. If he kept his knees in good shape he would have been arguably better than Wayne Carey and we know about his personal issues. He was the best Melbourne player I have witnessed pre injuries. He was the type of player that if fully fit could have delivered us premierships.

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14 hours ago, america de cali said:

I would suggest a little unfair to say he wasted his career. He was flying high before his multiple knee reconstructions and was still serviceable in between. Unfair also to deflect into his personal problems. If he kept his knees in good shape he would have been arguably better than Wayne Carey and we know about his personal issues. He was the best Melbourne player I have witnessed pre injuries. He was the type of player that if fully fit could have delivered us premierships.

Yeah, yeah I know all that.
Have you read his book?

Much of the time he was more concerned who won race4 than what was happening on the ground.
Football was just a means to pay his gambling bills.
That's all.



 

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On 02/12/2017 at 10:28 AM, DaveyDee said:

The more you spend the closer to a flag you are. The big spenders in this area are Geelong, Hawthorn, Sydney, Adelaide, West Coast, Colingwood, Essendon & in recent years Richmond - do you recognise a pattern there? 

The only pattern I can see is that Hawthorn, Sydney (early in the season), West Coast & Collingwood all had a bad run of injuries that effected their season 2017.

...and if you didn't slip in Richmond as an after thought, none of them have won a flag in the last 2 years.

Do I win the prize?

edit: I don't think any of these clubs will win a flag in 2018 and that makes some of them with older lists much further from a flag than they would like.

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21 minutes ago, rjay said:

The only pattern I can see is that Hawthorn, Sydney (early in the season), West Coast & Collingwood all had a bad run of injuries that effected their season 2017.

...and if you didn't slip in Richmond as an after thought, none of them have won a flag in the last 2 years.

Do I win the prize?

edit: I don't think any of these clubs will win a flag in 2018 and that makes some of them with older lists much further from a flag than they would like.

Yes you win the prize for short term thinking - well done. Football department spending is a long-term investment - Now instead of thinking over one year, look over the last few decades. 

FYI Richmond was not an after thought - they have been late to the party in FD spending due to similar reasons to us. But while we were paying off debt they elected to invest inside there Footy Department and reduce debt at a slower rate. 

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34 minutes ago, DaveyDee said:

Yes you win the prize for short term thinking - well done. Football department spending is a long-term investment - Now instead of thinking over one year, look over the last few decades. 

FYI Richmond was not an after thought - they have been late to the party in FD spending due to similar reasons to us. But while we were paying off debt they elected to invest inside there Footy Department and reduce debt at a slower rate. 

I just don't understand your point.

All clubs spend on FD but there is a cap on that spending.

If you are trying to say our injury list is because we don't spend enough on the FD then I think you are way off the mark.

'Chazz' sums it up for me...

On 04/12/2017 at 2:09 PM, The Chazz said:

Interesting, would love to read the paper on this "very, very strong theory".

I'm sure there would be a connection to sport science and a pattern of soft tissue injuries.  However, if you have a look at a lot of our injuries in 2017, I can't really see any pattern in terms of a flood of hamstrings, or calves, etc.  Jones had his quad, Watts his hammy, Viney's plantar, Jesse's testicular cancer, Gawn's hammy, Gus' concussions, Salem's thyroid, Kent's shoulder, etc etc (Vanders, Spencer, Smith x 2).

I think 2017 was just one of those crap years for us on the injury front.  How this could be put down to sport science is baffling.  But, given you have a clear issue with the amount we are spending in the football department, I expect you will have a different argument.

 

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38 minutes ago, rjay said:

I just don't understand your point.

All clubs spend on FD but there is a cap on that spending.

If you are trying to say our injury list is because we don't spend enough on the FD then I think you are way off the mark.

'Chazz' sums it up for me...

 

It's getting to the stage where you just din't bother with this "DaveyDee", Rjay.  They continually bang on about how much (or little) we spend compared to other clubs, then as soon as they are challenged to provide some form of proof, they run away and bang on about the same topic in a different thread.

Collingwood is great proof that the quantity you invest into areas like Sport Science doesn't assure success, it's about the quality of the people you have at the club.  Same with the FD.  Do you have to pay more to get quality people?  Quite possibly, but Collingwood are paying a lot for minimal return.

But again, this doesn't help with "DeeDavey's" agenda, so don't expect a response.

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5 hours ago, rjay said:

I just don't understand your point.Not 

All clubs spend on FD but there is a cap on that spending.

If you are trying to say our injury list is because we don't spend enough on the FD then I think you are way off the mark.

'Chazz' sums it up for me...

 

I understand. All the best in you endeavors.   

I've been lucky I've been exposed to the inside of multiple AFL clubs - and I can see what they are doing right and wrong. 

But I share your passion for the Dees & hope one day we can learn from other clubs, implement what they do right and learn from their mistakes. But if you are only exposed to one club thats not so easy at times. 

I dont want to pick fights with the AFL, I accepted we are in a National competition and the importance of FD spending for all areas ie players development, injury prevention & management, player welfare, recruiting etc, etc

We have come a long way in a short time & long may it continue. We are a club committed to increase spending inside our footy department and long may that also continue. 

Go dees

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6 hours ago, rjay said:

I just don't understand your point.

All clubs spend on FD but there is a cap on that spending.

If you are trying to say our injury list is because we don't spend enough on the FD then I think you are way off the mark.

'Chazz' sums it up for me...

 

Oh and just for the record I accept FD spending is a long-term investment of 7-10 years. I also appreciate many MFC supporters want results today - best of luck. Many, many supporters cant think past the last game we played, at least you can think on a yearly basis which is credit to you. However, you dont win premierships thinking year to year. But feel free to disagree with that if you want. 

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43 minutes ago, DaveyDee said:

Oh and just for the record I accept FD spending is a long-term investment of 7-10 years. I also appreciate many MFC supporters want results today - best of luck. Many, many supporters cant think past the last game we played, at least you can think on a yearly basis which is credit to you. However, you dont win premierships thinking year to year. But feel free to disagree with that if you want. 

Where is this paper on the study/theory about larger sport science investment resulting in less injuries, which you claim is "very, very strong"?  You haven't provided it, which makes me wonder if it's something you made up.

Also, where's your reply about the amount Collingwood have invested over a larger period than 7-10 years?  How have they been travelling, especially in the last 5 years?

And you've been "lucky" to be exposed to the inside of multiple AFL clubs.  Really?  Do us a favour, say g'day to your Uncle Cameron, Craig or Barry (whichever one it is) for us.

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1 hour ago, The Chazz said:

Where is this paper on the study/theory about larger sport science investment resulting in less injuries, which you claim is "very, very strong"?  You haven't provided it, which makes me wonder if it's something you made up.

Also, where's your reply about the amount Collingwood have invested over a larger period than 7-10 years?  How have they been travelling, especially in the last 5 years?

And you've been "lucky" to be exposed to the inside of multiple AFL clubs.  Really?  Do us a favour, say g'day to your Uncle Cameron, Craig or Barry (whichever one it is) for us.

Ahhh Chazz just came across your post - Thank-you for your personally attack on me. 

But last time I saw BP that was on draft night at the North Melbourne table and before that at the Carlton table - geez he must be doing something right. Im happy with BP - no animosity from me, no abuse and vitriol from me on or offline. 

Last time I saw CC he was sitting with the Gold Coast boys, before that the GWS boys and before that the Richmond boys - geez he must be doing something right, especially now Gold Coast is under AFL control.  Im happy with CC - no animosity from me, no abuse and vitriol from me on or offline. 

Im sorry I can learn things from other clubs and people - I respect the position of head of football at all clubs, I respect the position of head of recruiting at all clubs, I respect the postion of head of junior development at all clubs. 

Football is not an exact science - you are dealing with human beings - I'm sorry I respect that fact. Do they get everything right - dont think so. 

But on draft night just out of interest - What table were you sitting on?

And if you every do get the chance to meet them - Im sure you will share your animosity, abuse and vitriol towards them - or will you? 

Personally, I cant change the past - so I dont even bother wasting my time thinking about it. I will leave that up to you. 

Personally, I like the way we are heading as a football club, AFL "recommended" CEO, AFL "approved" board, we are happy to increase our spending inside our footy department and rebuild a positive vibrant culture free of politics - geez I could not ask for any more. 

I'm sorry, I dont share the same views as you. 

Go Dees

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1 hour ago, DaveyDee said:

 

And if you every do get the chance to meet them - Im sure you will share your animosity, abuse and vitriol towards them 

I would most certainly give them both barrels

they almost collectively killed the club

F$&@ing Amateurs....

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43 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I would most certainly give them both barrels

they almost collectively killed the club

F$&@ing Amateurs....

Not a problem for me - in the past I've seen and heard many people give both our current & past employees "both barrels" but giving somebody "both barrels" when you come from outside a club can be somewhat interesting - I'm not sure you actually get your point across or find out why they made the decisions they did. 

But each to there own - I'm happy with the AFL, I'm happy with the direction of the MFC, I can live with the decisions of the past, I might not like the outcomes - but that is life. Thanks to the time of many people I have went and sought out or they have come to me in football Im content with the direction we are heading. Sure, I also appreciate people want a flag in 2018 and Im happy to hope for that also. 

I found AFL football is a tough game - we have good football people who give their best both past and present. 

Oh and just for the record - I like the direction Demonland is heading, those podcasts are outstanding.  

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1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I would most certainly give them both barrels

they almost collectively killed the club

F$&@ing Amateurs....

I also forgot to mention - for your benefit

I could not give a f who we play

I could not give a f where we play 

I could not give a f at what time we play

I could not give a f what we wear when we play. 

But feel free to give the club "both barrels" on any of the above topics  

For me what i do care about 

I care about how much money we are speading inside our football department

- so we can develop our players

-  we can help prevent or treat injuries

-  we understand our player welfare needs,

- we can support our players both past and present 

- when it comes to recruiting in both drafting and trading we understand the players and assess their "coachability" with our coaching staff. 

But unlike you, when asked by Mr Jackson I dont want to talk about negative subjects, I want to build a whole new positive culture at the MFC. 

Go Dees

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1 hour ago, DaveyDee said:

I also forgot to mention - for your benefit

I could not give a f who we play

I could not give a f where we play 

I could not give a f at what time we play

I could not give a f what we wear when we play. 

But feel free to give the club "both barrels" on any of the above topics  

For me what i do care about 

I care about how much money we are speading inside our football department

- so we can develop our players

-  we can help prevent or treat injuries

-  we understand our player welfare needs,

- we can support our players both past and present 

- when it comes to recruiting in both drafting and trading we understand the players and assess their "coachability" with our coaching staff. 

But unlike you, when asked by Mr Jackson I dont want to talk about negative subjects, I want to build a whole new positive culture at the MFC. 

Go Dees

You do work for the AFL

No doubt about it

it does matter where we play

For both Members and Sponsors....

The NT deal hurts even tho the $$$ is the cow. 

Dr. Who you treat people here, like 6 year old children. It is becoming irksome

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3 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

You do work for the AFL

No doubt about it

it does matter where we play

For both Members and Sponsors....

The NT deal hurts even tho the $$$ is the cow. 

Dr. Who you treat people here, like 6 year old children. It is becoming irksome

Why, you support that idiot Bartlett on SEN, I can see why the station is going bust with idiots like that on the radio. I must confess he does think like a 6 year old child. 

I could not give a f where we play, when we play, who we play and what we wear when we play - as I said I leave that up to you to worry about. If it matters that much to you - go for it - give the "both" barrels. Ironically - You are starting to sound like a ex-CEO we had but today big boy its a whole new ball game. But I was happy to tell the last CEO I dont want to get involved in politics and picking fights with the AFL - I want what the AFL want. 

I care about our players - if we win - why great lets do more of that, if we lose why - lets do less of that but there is always next week. 

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4 hours ago, DaveyDee said:

Ahhh Chazz just came across your post - Thank-you for your personally attack on me. 

But last time I saw BP that was on draft night at the North Melbourne table and before that at the Carlton table - geez he must be doing something right. Im happy with BP - no animosity from me, no abuse and vitriol from me on or offline. 

Last time I saw CC he was sitting with the Gold Coast boys, before that the GWS boys and before that the Richmond boys - geez he must be doing something right, especially now Gold Coast is under AFL control.  Im happy with CC - no animosity from me, no abuse and vitriol from me on or offline. 

Im sorry I can learn things from other clubs and people - I respect the position of head of football at all clubs, I respect the position of head of recruiting at all clubs, I respect the postion of head of junior development at all clubs. 

Football is not an exact science - you are dealing with human beings - I'm sorry I respect that fact. Do they get everything right - dont think so. 

But on draft night just out of interest - What table were you sitting on?

And if you every do get the chance to meet them - Im sure you will share your animosity, abuse and vitriol towards them - or will you? 

Personally, I cant change the past - so I dont even bother wasting my time thinking about it. I will leave that up to you. 

Personally, I like the way we are heading as a football club, AFL "recommended" CEO, AFL "approved" board, we are happy to increase our spending inside our footy department and rebuild a positive vibrant culture free of politics - geez I could not ask for any more. 

I'm sorry, I dont share the same views as you. 

Go Dees

WTF was that rambling?

I ask again, where's the paper on your sport science theory?

And your response to Collingwood's lack of success given their significantly higher investment in to the sport science area.

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34 minutes ago, The Chazz said:

WTF was that rambling?

I ask again, where's the paper on your sport science theory?

And your response to Collingwood's lack of success given their significantly higher investment in to the sport science area.

Chazz you need to do the work for yourself. I'm happy with the AFL, with the MFC and Demonland, I especially like the removal of the AFL media filter and talking direct to MFC staff both past and present - IMHO all are doing a good job. 

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7 hours ago, DaveyDee said:

Chazz you need to do the work for yourself. I'm happy with the AFL, with the MFC and Demonland, I especially like the removal of the AFL media filter and talking direct to MFC staff both past and present - IMHO all are doing a good job. 

As expected. You make claims, stating them as facts, then when one challenges you, you tell them to "do the work yourself".

But to entertain you (and myself), I'm happy to find this study you speak of. But to save me a bit of time, would you mind telling me which professor did the study?

I, too, like Demonland. I'm going to like it a lot more now that you're on my ignore list. Good day.

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4 hours ago, The Chazz said:

But to entertain you (and myself), I'm happy to find this study you speak of. But to save me a bit of time, would you mind telling me which professor did the study?

Chazz I think you're likely to find there are a lot of them. I suggest you be a bit careful about which ones you choose to rely on. For instance I'd probably steer away from any with the name S Dank. D Robinson is probably another that comes to mind to avoid. 

I like to rely on facts where I can. It's very clear from the Financial Report and it's notes that the Club is on to this.

We increased spending in the FD by about $450,000 last financial period and PJ says in the notes there will be a focus on spending more on the FD in the next year so the financial result won't be as positive as this year. Mahoney & Co have already shown they have a knack for assembling very strong people in the FD. McCartney & Jennings come to mind. I don't know the breakdown of the positions in the FD and who the Sports Medicine people are but I trust they are working to be cutting edge without being Hird cutting edge.

I just read that the Bulldogs increased their FD spending this year by $2.8mill  for AFL VFL AFLW. I might have our increase in FD spending wrong but that's how I read it and if so then it gives a bit of a comparison to one of the other small clubs. 

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12 hours ago, DaveyDee said:

Why, you support that idiot Bartlett on SEN, I can see why the station is going bust with idiots like that on the radio. I must confess he does think like a 6 year old child. 

I could not give a f where we play, when we play, who we play and what we wear when we play - as I said I leave that up to you to worry about. If it matters that much to you - go for it - give the "both" barrels. Ironically - You are starting to sound like a ex-CEO we had but today big boy its a whole new ball game. But I was happy to tell the last CEO I dont want to get involved in politics and picking fights with the AFL - I want what the AFL want. 

I care about our players - if we win - why great lets do more of that, if we lose why - lets do less of that but there is always next week. 

You want what the AFL want

Best thing you have said. 

Now go away Doctor....

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2 hours ago, It's Time said:

Chazz I think you're likely to find there are a lot of them. I suggest you be a bit careful about which ones you choose to rely on. For instance I'd probably steer away from any with the name S Dank. D Robinson is probably another that comes to mind to avoid. 

I like to rely on facts where I can. It's very clear from the Financial Report and it's notes that the Club is on to this.

We increased spending in the FD by about $450,000 last financial period and PJ says in the notes there will be a focus on spending more on the FD in the next year so the financial result won't be as positive as this year. Mahoney & Co have already shown they have a knack for assembling very strong people in the FD. McCartney & Jennings come to mind. I don't know the breakdown of the positions in the FD and who the Sports Medicine people are but I trust they are working to be cutting edge without being Hird cutting edge.

I just read that the Bulldogs increased their FD spending this year by $2.8mill  for AFL VFL AFLW. I might have our increase in FD spending wrong but that's how I read it and if so then it gives a bit of a comparison to one of the other small clubs. 

Well said - Yes, "sports scientists" where AFL CEO Andrew Demetriou "pet hate" - I always listened to his warnings on them, AD was always happy to listen to us, but some at the MFC never want to listen to the AFL. I on the other hand support the AFL so I'm happy to listen to what they say. 

Yes, its also great to see Bulldogs and us increasing FD spending to the levels we are - makes me one happy little Demon. 

If it means we have to play games in Alice Springs - you will get no complaints from me if it means more money into our Footy Department. 

If it means we have to play games at 3.20 on a Sunday at Ethiad against whoever because thats what the AFL tell us to do - you will get no complaints from me. 

We have a bright future - at last we are getting a fair go from the AFL & the MFC, long may it continue. 

After we win a premiership, build our crowds, build our memberships, build our alternative revenue streams - Im sure things like fixtures, games in the Alice, clash guerseys can come back on the agenda. But I wont bother me where we play and against whom. 

Go Dees 

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19 hours ago, DaveyDee said:

  I want what the AFL want. 

 

So you want Richmond , Collingwood, Carlton and Essendon all regularly playing finals together.

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  • Latest Podcast      

    PODCAST: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The boys dissected the clinical thrashing of Hawks praising the immense performance of Christian Petracca whilst lamenting the injury toll to our defensive unit ... LISTEN

    Demonland | March 26

  • Training  

    Monday, 25th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Demon Dynasty & Kev Martin were trackside at Gosch's Paddock today to bring you their observations from training ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 25

  • Casey Report      

    HIBERNATING by KC from Casey

    When they locked up the rooms for summer at the end of last year’s football season, the rooms gathered cobwebs, the atmosphere became dense and the place developed a sleepy feel. They opened up the rooms to let Casey out to play on Sunday but the team was still hibernating and they missed the bulk of the opening quarter ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 25

  • PreGame      

    PREGAME: Rd 03 vs Port Adelaide

    The Demons head out on the road for the next 2 weeks as they travel to Adelaide to play Port on Saturday and then have a 5 Day break before facing the Crows in Gather Round. With injuries to May and Lever who comes in and who goes out? ...READ MORE

    Demonland | March 28

  • Match Report      

    A FORK IN THE HAWK by George on the Outer

    For too long in the past, Demon fans became habitually sick and tired of watching the Hawks hand out thrashings to their side. But Melbourne’s empahtic 55-point win at the MCG on Saturday has truly put a fork in the Hawk and turned that history well and truly on its head ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Post Game      

    POSTGAME: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The Demons cruised to an easy 55 point win over the Hawks at the MCG but but paid a heavy toll on the injury front with Steven May & Jake Lever possibly sidelined for a number of weeks ...READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Votes      

    VOTES: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    Last week Steven May took the lead in the Demonland Player of the Year Award from Jack Viney. Clayton Oliver & Max Gawn round out the Top 4. Your votes for the win/loss against/to the Hawks. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 ...READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Game Day      

    GAMEDAY: Round 02 vs Hawthorn

    It's Game Day and after mixed results in the first two weeks of the season the Demons have the opportunity to capitalise on their good form last week when they take on the Hawks at the MCG today ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Training  

    Friday, 22nd March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatcher Kev Martin and I attended the Captain's Run at Gosch's Paddock on this lovely sunny morning to bring you the following observations from the training session ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 22

  • Training  

    Tuesday, 19th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Kev Martin & Walking Civil War attended Tuesday morning's training session at Gosch's Paddock to bring you the following observations ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 19

  • Training  

    Saturday, 16th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Kev Martin and Dee Zephyr wandered down to Gosch's Paddock on Saturday morning to bring you their observations from the Captain's Run in the lead up to Sunday's Round One match against the Bulldogs ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 16

  • Farewell  

    Angus Brayshaw Retires

    After 167 games including the drought breaking Premiership Angus Brayshaw has made the heart breaking decision to medically retire from football as a result of a series of serious head knocks over his nearly decade of footy. We wish Gus all the best and he'll always be a hero at Demonland ... READ MORE

    Demonland | February 22

  • Latest Podcast  

    PODCAST: Koltyn Tholstrup Interview

    I interview the Melbourne Football Club’s newest recruit Koltyn Tholstrup to have a chat about his journey from the farm to the Demons, his first few weeks of preseason training, which Dees have impressed him on the track and his aspirations of playing Round 1 ... LISTEN

    Demonland | December 14

  • Latest Podcast  

    PODCAST: Jason Taylor Interview

    I interview the Melbourne Football Club's National Recruitment Manager Jason Taylor to have a chat about our Trade and Draft period, our newest recruits, our recent recruits who have yet to debut as well as those father son prospects on the horizon ... LISTEN

    Demonland | November 27

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    Jake Lever Knee Test
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    1 Christian Petracca 27
    2 Steven May 25
    3 Max Gawn 21
    4 Jack Viney 20
    5 Bayley Fritsch 19
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    7 Christian Salem 12
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