David Schwarz

[640MD 2,743]

Thanks for the video,   We had a fantastic side back then   one forgets how great.     and how solid Glenn Lovett and Steve Tingay were   but the no 5   was something else entirely.   I hope our present No 5  watches this stuff     Go Dees !!!

[mauriesy 6,783]

Daughter Indiana might be a better bet for the AFLW.

[Satyriconhome 9,982]

3 hours ago, joeboy said:

You once promised you'd never read my threads again?‍♂️

No that's only your 3 word analysis, which were becoming repetitive and boring, stopped reading them half way thru the season,

Never understood all the love fo the Ox, never gets a mention in dispatches as a great forward/player etc, a good player, not superstar, an awful media person, unfortunately not alone

Edited November 2, 2017 by Satyriconhome

[What 18,810]

20 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

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Never understood all the love fo the Ox, never gets a mention in dispatches as a great forward/player etc, a good player, not superstar, an awful media person, unfortunately not alone

Is anyone here saying he was a superstar?

He would have been, no doubt. His 1994 season is probably the best individual season by any Demon of the last 30 years.   Maybe longer.

Booted 60 goals at true Centre Half forward, and led the comp in marks.

Had a brilliant final series, and was as exciting as any player in the league.

Edited November 2, 2017 by Petraccattack

[Satyriconhome 9,982]

6 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Is anyone here saying he was a superstar?

He would have been, no doubt. His 1994 season is probably the best individual season by any Demon of the last 30 years.   Maybe longer.

Booted 60 goals at true Centre Half forward, and led the comp in marks.

Had a brilliant final series, and was as exciting as any player in the league.

Read the first post, lots of players have come back from a knee reco and got better, (Gawn), sadly he didn't 

Clayton Oliver says hi for the best individual season and that's now, not reliving past glory and hoping progeny can do the same

[What 18,810]

1 minute ago, Satyriconhome said:

Read the first post, lots of players have come back from a knee reco and got better, (Gawn), sadly he didn't 

Clayton Oliver says hi for the best individual season and that's now, not reliving past glory and hoping progeny can do the same

What do you mean ' a knee reco'. .....  Schwarz had three knee recos, and came back and won a B and F and played in a grand final.

Schwarzs 1994 season was way better than Olivers 2017.  And included a dominant finals series.

You're showing a severe lack of respect to The Ox.

 

[Rogue 585]

47 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Never understood all the love fo the Ox, never gets a mention in dispatches as a great forward/player etc

What are you referring to as 'dispatches'? Plenty of commentators and players have said Schwarz pre-knee was a star, and that he would have had a career as one of the competition's dominant players if not for the three knee recos.

Definitely agree with the posters who've said Schwarz in '94 was better than Oliver's '17!

[Sir Why You Little 34,405]

Satyr your comments on The Ox are a disgrace. 

Love to see you after 3 Knee Reconstructions

twit

[dazzledavey36 48,640]

Saty has always had a personal vendetta against the Ox.. stems back to his interview with Mike Sheehan on Open Mike couple years (2013). While many on here were applauding the Ox on opening up on his battles of gambling and passionately wanting to help the club, Saty was very negative and some of his comments were down right disgraceful on a club legend.

God forbid if we are allowed to appreciate a club legend on this thread without this buffoon trying rain down on the parade with a personal vendetta.

[red&blue1982 252]

 

8 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Read the first post, lots of players have come back from a knee reco and got better, (Gawn), sadly he didn't 

Clayton Oliver says hi for the best individual season and that's now, not reliving past glory and hoping progeny can do the same

David Schwartz was more than a 'good player'.

Can't believe you just compared Clayton Oliver's 2017 season to Schwartz's 1994 season! And suggesting it was better is even more shocking!!

The footy season's over, a time to reminisce.

[PartyTimeJohnny 533]

On 01/11/2017 at 8:21 PM, joeboy said:

 

We can live and dream? because realistically there’s no other superstars in the recent history of the club that we can hope for similarly gifted offspring.

Flash has two sons and a daughter. I'm hoping they all become demons in the next decade 

[Dee Zephyr 17,302]

Just in case there was any danger of the OX getting back to his best after his first knee reconstruction, himself and the club were punished with a further two.

Shame, another super talent hindered by injury. In saying that he bled for the club, became a club champion and flew the flag in the 2000 grand final battering of his younger teammates. 

Wouldn't we all love to see a junior Ox running around in the red and blue even if he produces half the goods his father did.

[Sir Why You Little 34,405]

16 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Saty has always had a personal vendetta against the Ox.. stems back to his interview with Mike Sheehan on Open Mike couple years (2013). While many on here were applauding the Ox on opening up on his battles of gambling and passionately wanting to help the club, Saty was very negative and some of his comments were down right disgraceful on a club legend.

God forbid if we are allowed to appreciate a club legend on this thread without this buffoon trying rain down on the parade with a personal vendetta.

I must search it out. 

The Ox tells it like it is...

[640MD 2,743]

8 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Read the first post, lots of players have come back from a knee reco and got better, (Gawn), sadly he didn't 

 

One !!    he came back from 3     and when ever he played it was with his heart on his sleave,   Played like his life depended on it.

He was one player who played for the supporters as they would have liked and if he stuffed up he was ass hard on himself as any sipporter (intentional)   Well that's how I saw him.   Go Dees

[joeboy 2,754]

From recollection , I believe the Ox even wore a bulky leather strapped brace around his knee during one of his comebacks, such was his desire to return

[The Chazz 4,077]

Schwarz...

The player - could've been anything, and there was plenty of proof of that.  But obviously struck down terribly by injury, that I can't think of any superstar coming back from.

The man - I don't rate him.  He's an up and down Melbourne supporter, that picks and chooses what to say and when to say it, often with no care for any one or organisation, other than himself.  The only bonus of him being on the radio is that the Demons get a bit more air time than normal. 

[joeboy 2,754]

He's paid to be a commentator not a Melbourne supporter.

He wears his heart on his sleeve but there's no doubt he'd die for the club

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1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Saty has always had a personal vendetta against the Ox.. stems back to his interview with Mike Sheehan on Open Mike couple years (2013). While many on here were applauding the Ox on opening up on his battles of gambling and passionately wanting to help the club, Saty was very negative and some of his comments were down right disgraceful on a club legend.

God forbid if we are allowed to appreciate a club legend on this thread without this buffoon trying rain down on the parade with a personal vendetta.

A little further clarification for the newbies if I may Dazzle.

I like to call that era ‘the Winter of Saty’.

It was a time when he scoured every thread looking for negative opinions about  Neeld, Schwab or anyone tied to the then administration (like Trump trolls do on Facebook today) and shout them down.

My personal favorite (though it was a crowded field) was when he used to shitcan blokes for criticizing players then lectured others for having a go at Rohan Welsh for doing the same exact thing. Unfortunately, Welsh did it on the MFC website and was the coach of Casey at the time.

Ox’s sin was to state the bleeding obvious:  that Neeld was unlikely to stay beyond 2013 (though Ox’s comments re: losing by 100 plus so Neeld would get sacked were fairly average). For that, he copped a barrage of inane and disrespectful comments.

After Neeld finally got sacked, sad as it was, it was amusing to see Saty disappear for the next six months plus; having made a thorough clown of himself.

His shtick isn’t as grating these days as we aren’t getting pumped by 15 goals every second week by middle tier sides so I tend to let him ramble on. But back then tension was at boiling point (remember how tightly wound Petraccattack was in those days?), and his ongoing ‘positivity’ was as needed as a hole in the head.

 

Edited November 2, 2017 by Colin B. Flaubert
One more thing I wanted to add.

[hemingway 7,583]

9 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

No that's only your 3 word analysis, which were becoming repetitive and boring, stopped reading them half way thru the season,

Never understood all the love fo the Ox, never gets a mention in dispatches as a great forward/player etc, a good player, not superstar, an awful media person, unfortunately not alone

Not sure above love but certainly popular. The full story is compelling.

-His difficult childhood that included seeing his father shot dead in front of his eyes. 

-His loyalty and love for his mother and family. 

-A mercurial rise as a player and a brief period when he was one of the most exciting talents we had seen, and, as others have stated, as talented a player as Wayne Carey.

-The tragedy of the knee injuries. Anyone who saw them happen, will never forget particularly the second one, after he had gone through so much to get back on the field. There was a kind of brave and tragic stoicism in the Ox's determination to continue his career no matter what the cost. Most others would have given up. It was almost as if he had decided in a single minded way that injury was not going to rob him of his footy career.  

-He did come back, a different and less spectacular player but he played the game and left the game on his own terms.

-His attitude on and off the field showed a touch of arrogance, belligerence and the larrikin that was endearing and unusual in a Melbourne footballer. In many ways, he was so not Melbourne.

-His loyalty to the Demons. 

-His honesty in dealing with his gambling addiction and efforts to help others.

-He could have ended on the scrap heap after footy and his gambling problems .  

-His determination to overcome his demons and carve out a career in the media. I am not a fan but he is no worse than many others.

I met him once in recent years and a brief conversation and smile suggested that he was a humble and nice person. 

The Ox has done well. 

[The Chazz 4,077]

7 minutes ago, joeboy said:

He's paid to be a commentator not a Melbourne supporter.

He wears his heart on his sleeve but there's no doubt he'd die for the club

Rubbish.  He's no different to Lyon in this regard.

[joeboy 2,754]

1 hour ago, The Chazz said:

Rubbish.  He's no different to Lyon in this regard.

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1 hour ago, The Chazz said:

 

Edited November 3, 2017 by joeboy

[darkhorse72 1,718]

I remember a comment from when they were deciding to select our next captain between the Oz and Nietz.  We know nit got the honour.  The comment later was they would follow Nietz (Which they did) but they would die for the Ox on the field. I wonder what that would have done for our culture and how we played in that period? 

 

 

[daisycutter 28,450]

11 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Read the first post, lots of players have come back from a knee reco and got better, (Gawn), sadly he didn't 

Clayton Oliver says hi for the best individual season and that's now, not reliving past glory and hoping progeny can do the same

bs post..................fmd

[Moonshadow 16,108]

11 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

 

Never understood all the love fo the Ox, never gets a mention in dispatches as a great forward/player etc, a good player, not superstar, an awful media person, unfortunately not alone

Told him this to his face? Didn't think so...

[The Chazz 4,077]

1 hour ago, joeboy said:

?‍♂️

 

WTF does this mean?  It's like I'm arguing with a child.

Obviously you think these types of guys would "die for the club".  I called it BS.  I think as long as Lyon and Schwarz are receiving a healthy income from their media roles, they will survive just fine, regardless of the state of the MFC.

There is absolutely no comparison between these two, and someone like Richo and the Tigers for an example.  Irrespective of Richmond's ladder position, Richo flew the flag for the regardless of his stature in the media industry.  Lyon and Schwarz have drifted in and out when it suits them.