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  1. 1. Do we trade Jack Watts?

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2 minutes ago, GawnWithTheWind said:

I follow a few of the fitness staff on instagram, more so for training tips and to get an insight into how AFL athletes prepare than to peer into what the dees players are doing.

However, this morning one of them had Spencer, Trengove and watts in the Instagram story.

Good to see Watts in there working in his off-season, bad to see him just doing bicep curls. Curls will only help him look better in his shorts rather than becoming a better AFL athlete. Maybe I missed all of the functional stuff he did prior... but he looked pretty keen on making the guns bigger.

Blimey wattsy copes some strange criticism

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7 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

Let’s assume Jack sees the light and decides to stay and, to paraphrase Roos, decides to be great, what does he need to do immediately to start earning back the respect and trust of the coach, FD and LG? 

1. shut up

2. come back to pre season in great nick. the best nick he's ever been for pre season

3. do extras. Copy stretch or one of the other good trainers

4. be the last one off the track every time

5. self imposed ban on the grog or the parties or some beloved activity to send a message to his teammates that he's serious

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26 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

What does this mean? Given the rest of the post I assume it's stated as a negative...but why?

Sorry - I've just turned up my sarcasm meter to defcon 5

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Jnrmac - for what it's worth, I argued until I was blue in the face that letting Junior McDonald go would be an absolutely disaster for this club.

And it was.

Many here strongly disagreed at the time - 'too old, too many soft tissues, need to get games into the more talented kids' etc. Clubs don't always get these decisions right, even with the best intentions.

That said, I think we have a quality administration here now. The Watts issue has been their first big wrinkle for me. The club may ultimately prove to be absolutely right on it, although it has the hallmarks of decisioning made on the run at this point in time.

 

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14 minutes ago, GawnWithTheWind said:

I follow a few of the fitness staff on instagram, more so for training tips and to get an insight into how AFL athletes prepare than to peer into what the dees players are doing.

However, this morning one of them had Spencer, Trengove and watts in the Instagram story.

Good to see Watts in there working in his off-season, bad to see him just doing bicep curls. Curls will only help him look better in his shorts rather than becoming a better AFL athlete. Maybe I missed all of the functional stuff he did prior... but he looked pretty keen on making the guns bigger.

Isn’t this a normal blokey thing to do?

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5 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

That said, I think we have a quality administration here now. The Watts issue has been their first big wrinkle for me. The club may ultimately prove to be absolutely right on it, although it has the hallmarks of decisioning made on the run at this point in time.

 

I think more a slow and deliberate burn !! ;)

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1 minute ago, beelzebub said:

watts at port.jpg

Confirmation?

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7 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

watts at port.jpg

But will that question mark jump out of the shadows ?

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12 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

Sorry - I've just turned up my sarcasm meter to defcon 5

DEFCON 5 is the lowest state.

DEFCON 1 is the highest.

Just sayin; :P

 

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3 minutes ago, McQueen said:

Confirmation?

all over bar the shouting...( and a little haggling I suspect ) I would think ;)

We might as well expend our energies on other subjects.

Jack wont be back..

There's a lot more going on that a lot of folk would ever be prepared to believe.

Let's just hope  we click back into gear as a Footy Club and play good footy

Elvis...has left the building

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13 hours ago, rpfc said:

Now this makes sense.

I don't know how good your mail is but this is plausible because it means the club didn't initially want to trade him and that desire was instigated at his reaction to a negative exit interview that stopped short of telling him he was going to be traded.

I just cannot imagine - if the club had decided he had to go since 'The Bondi Trip' - that he wouldn't be told at his exit interview.

Agreed. 

It's more plausible that his negative reaction to the hard truths combined with his poor pre-season preparation and the Bondi Trip while injured, all combined into "he can get stuffed with that sort of attitude we are sick of him".

If Watts doesn't want to take the advice on board after 9 mediocre seasons where he has completely under performed, than he never ever will change. 

Personally I don't care if he stays or goes (as long as we get a good return for him if he goes), but if he stays he better seriously change his attitude because if he spends 2018 in the VFL he will be worth nothing at the trade table next year! 

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I'd go to Geelong and say we'll give you Watts and 35 for Cam Guthrie. Promise him midfield time. Hasn't been given much with the inclusion of Dangerfield. He's got some speed and good around stoppages. Before Danger he looked like becoming a real top-of-the-line mid. Lack of minutes have cost him IMO. Demon supporter as a kid, out of contract at end of 2018.

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Must say it would be sad to see JW gone. I believe he made big steps last year before injury got the best of him. Endeavour? He was a ruck, midfielder, forward and back man for 7 weeks in the middle of the year and without him, we would have been stuffed. Wait and see. Would be happy if we swapped him for Ac Chee and a fourth rounder.

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27 minutes ago, binman said:

Blimey wattsy copes some strange criticism

I agree that he shouldn't be criticised for training during this period, especially as it's a troubling time.

That said, and he might be doing them, core exercises like squats, deadlifts, and bench presses are far better than isolation exercises.  Bicep curls are almost a waste of time.

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34 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

Sorry - I've just turned up my sarcasm meter to defcon 5

I think my meter must be an old analogue one cos I'm not picking up anything. 

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33 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

Jnrmac - for what it's worth, I argued until I was blue in the face that letting Junior McDonald go would be an absolutely disaster for this club.

And it was.

Many here strongly disagreed at the time - 'too old, too many soft tissues, need to get games into the more talented kids' etc. Clubs don't always get these decisions right, even with the best intentions.

That said, I think we have a quality administration here now. The Watts issue has been their first big wrinkle for me. The club may ultimately prove to be absolutely right on it, although it has the hallmarks of decisioning made on the run at this point in time.

 

I agree that he maybe should have gone on another year Ron, but he was going on 36 at the time.

How long were we going to keep him for? 2, 3 more years?

Where we failed was not having a plan to get him straight onto the coaching staff.

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48 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

Let’s assume Jack sees the light and decides to stay and, to paraphrase Roos, decides to be great, what does he need to do immediately to start earning back the respect and trust of the coach, FD and LG? 

Given he came something like 21st in the B&F, I would suggest he has scored poorly for not doing on the field what was expected of him. But to be able to do so, he needs to understand why he's not doing it. 

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5 minutes ago, ChewyOnMyBoot said:

Can we set up a market for the number of pages this thread is going to get to if he goes?

will be a new thread, chewy 

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5 hours ago, CityDee said:

Unless we get a young future champ like a zac jones type forget it( if Jack succumbed to being pushed out ) shuffle  of picks may be required but there is the value in my opinion. 

City we don't need more meat and potatoe types to replace Jack.  He was the finish, the icing on the outside if you like.  We have an abundance of these types and you only need so many in finals.  He was inneffective and shown up badly in his last match anyway.  A solid player but not what we need more of.

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36 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

There's a lot more going on that a lot of folk would ever be prepared to believe.

 

?????

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12 hours ago, nosoupforme said:

And of course l thought of his ruck work as well. However to explain it as well as you have , l commend you. 

I hope this piece you have written is looked at by the JW critics.  Again WELL SAID.

Thanks nsfm.  I don't defend or take sides with any player/s i just call it as I see it. In the past, up until about 2 years ago, I was a big doubter and critic of Watts and was copping it from everyone who were more Pro or completely sold so go figure.

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4 minutes ago, rjay said:

?????

another day perhaps rjay

We'll just see how the Watts fiasco/scenario  ends up.

 

 

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5 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said:

Even if Watts had his head firmly up where the sun doesn't shine on some of these issues, the home truths in his exit interview shouldn't have been such a surprise to him.

It still wreaks of being poorly handled.

That said, I suspect the club may have sought to curtail his lifestyle going forward (pre-season and beyond), something that he is not wishing to do in circumstances where he possibly think his on-field performance has been good enough.

No evidence though. Just a gut feel.

Since that time, Watts has had to decide whether he wants to be great. At the MFC. Or elsewhere.

 

Ron this line of "deciding to be great".  Sorry but you can certainly give everything of yourself and decide to be fully committed and give it your best and maybe improve to your best "optimal" output.  This might result in a player improving their standing and becoming say sub par,  ordinary, a bit above average, very good or in some rare cases "great" ... but at this level you can't just flick a switch and suddenly become "great" just because someone (be it Ronald Dale or anyone) suggested that's what happens when you decide!

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