Post Match Discussion - Round 23

[Scipio 5,868]

13 hours ago, willmoy said:

Be very interested to know why MFC were last for conversions inside 50? Does that mean we couldn't kick straight? Or in relation to number of times we went inside 50 we either lost possession, it went out of bounce or were penalized?

Players bombing the ball in too often, only to have it cleared out right away by the opposition.

[beelzebub 22,225]

31 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

Do you mean to say that some people have calmed down?

Five days after the biggest calamity since 87 prelim and people have managed to calmed down?

There's a difference between disappointed, frustrated and being ropable. Im pretty calm. I dont however accept lightly that we lostvand chucked a season down the gurgler.

Im just as impressed ( or not ) with the Goodwin vanishing act. Hope hes busy busy busy working on a better set of game plans and structures as well as too busy co-conspiring to lure better players to Melbourne.

I hope at least thats why hes been a no show. Must be this 

But after all these years the club has successfully lowered the bar to expectations. Ive things planned for September. Always had, it's MELBOURNE

But by all means rage away.

Its on deaf ears you do understand ?

 

[John Crow Batty 8,243]

26 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

There's a difference between disappointed, frustrated and being ropable. Im pretty calm. I dont however accept lightly that we lostvand chucked a season down the gurgler.

Im just as impressed ( or not ) with the Goodwin vanishing act. Hope hes busy busy busy working on a better set of game plans and structures as well as too busy co-conspiring to lure better players to Melbourne.

I hope at least thats why hes been a no show. Must be this 

But after all these years the club has successfully lowered the bar to expectations. Ive things planned for September. Always had, it's MELBOURNE

But by all means rage away.

Its on deaf ears you do understand ?

 

Off to a 3 week business trip tomorrow OS. For the past few months been wondering whether I should have put if off given our best chance to make finals for over a decade though this is the ideal time for me to go. Then I rationalised to myself that maybe I would be back with us deep into the finals. Turned out I could not have made a wiser decision. 

Edited September 1, 2017 by america de cali

[beelzebub 22,225]

5 minutes ago, america de cali said:

Off to a 3 week business trip tomorrow OS. For the past few months been wondering whether I should have put if off given our best chance to make finals for over a decade though this is the ideal time for me to go. Then I rationalised to myself that maybe I would be back with us deep into the finals. Turned out I could not have made a wiser decision. 

The truly disappointing thing is....in our guts....we just know.

[Guest]

Interesting little anecdote from the gym last night.

Being in Japan, I can usually escape the reminders of yet another Melbourne related embarrassment.

This was disproven when the middle aged lady who I talk with at the gym came up to me and said  'I heard your team got beaten and missed the finals.'

To be fair, her son did go to private school in Caulfield and became a Demon there. I wasn't aware that she would know about our pantsing however.

While not  even being remotely as close to being as central player in the game as Jimma was in '87, I got a slight sense of how he must have felt when that bloke recognized him in Paris.

  

[binman 37,908]

2 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

This.

We lack composure which is largely in part because we have a game style that involves manic running and handballing.  The problem is this style can't be sustained for four quarters, let alone a whole season. On top of this, as you say if the opposition put the slightest bit of pressure on us then we don't have the structure to adapt and withstand it.

The other realted problem is our poor kicking. Most of our poor kickers have - not coincedentally - terrible techniques. Think hunt, t mac and tyson. 

Like all sports poor technique gets exposed under pressure. Pressure applied by the opposition (or in golf the difficulty of the course and/or conditions) and/or the pressure of crunch matches or momwnts within a match (eg a kick to win agame). Ours was exposed by both on saturday.

Edited September 1, 2017 by binman

[beelzebub 22,225]

Funny thing about Tmac..get him past the center and his kicking morphs to pretty good  

[Scipio 5,868]

12 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Funny thing about Tmac..get him past the center and his kicking morphs to pretty good  

One of the best set shots in the league, in fact.

The problem is his decision making. When he's kicking for goal, his mind doesn't have to bend over backwards in order to work out where exactly to kick it.

Shore up the back line, play McDonald as a forward who goes back when required.

Edited September 1, 2017 by Luther

[beelzebub 22,225]

1 minute ago, Luther said:

One of the best set shots in the league, in fact.

The problem is his decision making. When he's kicking for goal, his mind doesn't have to bend over backwards in order to work out where exactly to kick it.

Exactamundo !! Precisely why in future he should only play a fwd relieving ruck role.

[Skin Deeamond 339]

12 hours ago, Pennant St Dee said:

That team had a red hot crack week in week out. They didn't choose when to turn up

How did their cracks get so red hot? Beef vindaloo? They must have been turning up to the toilet quite frequently.

[beelzebub 22,225]

12 hours ago, Pennant St Dee said:

That team had a red hot crack week in week out. They didn't choose when to turn up

PsD

 Im sure they turn up... They're there. Do they turn up ? ?? well. 

Sometimes they 'turn it up' 

Sometimes they're there but only seem just so.

They're human, they have 'moments' 

Many of our moments haven't been all too meritorious 

[Coq au vin 754]

Weideman is a spud

[jnrmac 18,940]

On 01/09/2017 at 9:45 AM, jnrmac said:

 

On 01/09/2017 at 9:45 AM, jnrmac said:

Not me. I am livid and likely to remain so.

Garry Lyon in his book says that 1990 season was the one they really rued. Even comp, no standout as evidenced by the fact a fairly ordinary Collingwood side won the flag.

Grand Finals are hard to get to and there is no saying we would have made it but 2017 looks like a similar even year and will go down as a massive missed opportunity - and the players and coaching staff have no [censored] idea what level of pressure they needed to bring to games in the second half of the season.

Like last years capitulation against Carlton and Geelong, the coaches and on field leaders have failed yet seem powerless to do anything about it. Until it is recgnised and acknowledged the same crap performances will repeat themselves.

No way Clarkson or Sheedy would allow such garbage to happen.

 

 

Now that Adelaide and Richmond are in the GF I am even more livid about our pathetic capitulation in the final round. we can beat both of those teams. We will rue this unbelievable lost opportunity. 

[Demon Disciple 10,918]

boohoo.

You've got to be in it to win it, and both the Crows and Tigers had the fortitude to make the finals. We didn't.

We have nothing to rue, we were not worthy, simple as that.

[Sydee 3,613]

11 hours ago, Demon Disciple said:

boohoo.

You've got to be in it to win it, and both the Crows and Tigers had the fortitude to make the finals. We didn't.

We have nothing to rue, we were not worthy, simple as that.

I couldn't agree more - it really annoys me all the stuff you read on here about Adelaide tanking , bad luck , we should done this or that. The indisputable fact is that the MFC is still not ready to seriously challenge - they are their own worst enemy by getting complacent , talking themselves up and then failing dismally.

They and only they are responsible for not being ready - let us all hope that there are some huge changes in mindset and perhaps personnel over the break that sees the team take another step forward next year - this is now a very very even and tough competition. If we start thinking it's just going to happen then we are in very big trouble and could easily slip back down to a place that we know all too well.