Post Match Discussion - Round 23

[Bombay Airconditioning 5,850]

11 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

If we miss out on percentage, ignoring the losses I'll rue (Geelong, Richmond, Hawthorn, Fremantle, North), I'll also rue Fasolo's goal after the siren on QBD, not burying Brisbane last week when we hit 32 points up, and letting St Kilda and Port both back into our recent wins when we built early leads.

If Essendon can't beat Fremantle, do they deserve to play finals?

If West Coast can't beat a tanking Adelaide without Walker or Talia, at home, do they deserve to play finals?

If we finish in the top 8 we earned it. And as has happened time and time again, we just don't know what will happen if we get the chance to play that first final.

Not sure how the Crows are tanking, it's in their best interest to win tomorrow.

[Pates 9,536]

5 minutes ago, mrjonesandme said:

The 'more to play for' argument goes both ways. Clearly the significance of this game for the MFC wasn't well handled. Collingwood on the other hand had no pressure to manage and played like it. 

I think think is something that frustrates me. Time and time againweve had the chance to make statements when the year is done and we don't have finals to look forward to and we don't come to play. The expression of "the boys looked tired" tired seemed to be trotted out as an excuse for pissweak performances at the end of the year. 

Well take a look at Collingwood, our most hated rival, they didn't have finals, hell they didn't even have their best side but they played with passion and hunger. We had EVERYTHING to play for, just like last week, and yet both times we looked like much of the way we've looked when we've had nothing on the line. Flat, passionless, uninspired. 

Hearing that we didn't lay a single tackle in the first 10min makes me sick. 

Jack Viney must be fuming right now. 

[danielE288 576]

When I received an email from the club detailing the process for buying finals tickets I had a bad feeling immediately. I'm still in the rather make it than not camp, but we're nowhere near ready for it, I'd only have ab out 6 or 7 guys that played today in my team, move on the rest.

[titan_uranus 22,210]

7 minutes ago, Hogan2014 said:

Bulldogs has also already qualified for finals & were playing in the west...

True, they were the final game of the Sunday and therefore knew that they had nothing to play for (with West Coast and GWS having already won).

Still, in some respects makes the point - they deserved to play finals because of what they had done over the prior 22 rounds, which was enough to qualify them for finals. If we make the finals it will be because of what we did over the prior 22 rounds, which will have been enough to qualify us for finals.

Same deal.

Just now, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Not sure how the Crows are tanking, it's in their best interest to win tomorrow.

If Richmond and GWS both win, then an Adelaide win puts them 1st, to play Geelong, but a loss puts them 2nd to play Richmond.

[Pates 9,536]

2 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Not sure how the Crows are tanking, it's in their best interest to win tomorrow.

Only if GWS win tonight, if Geelong wins look out for a couple of late withdrawals and cagey performances. 

It's an argument for playing every round 23 game at the same time. Logistically it would be a nightmare, but it would eliminate this situation. 

[titan_uranus 22,210]

On the topic of not laying a tackle in the first 10 minutes, and not laying enough tackles early - it looks like we had more of the ball in the first quarter.

Was it a case, then, of over-possessing, turning it over at half-forward, and then Collingwood getting clean and easy possessions on the turnover? If so, that explains it (and makes it easier to understand, compared to if it was contested and we just weren't prepared to get our hands dirty).

[BrisbaneDemon 1,492]

4 minutes ago, Deeoldfart said:

Today it seemed to me that very few of our players hurt as much as we do.  That's sad.

I couldn't agree more, it just doesn't appear to mean that much to the majority of the playing group.  In a couple of hours they will all be out putting up how much fun they're having on social media.  The more a watch TMac the more I believe we should test is currency on the trade table.  B.Vince just doesn't have it anymore, he should be banned from taken kick ins. N.Jones has been a warrior for us but when the game is on the line he always goes missing.

some teams have an off night and 3-4 players play bad, when we have an off night 10-14 players have an off night.

the pies pressure in the first qtr was were we should have been, we continue to take teams lightly (hawks,kangaroos, dockers) and it always vies us in the ass.

i will be cheering the crows on Sunday night

[Roger Mellie 3,481]

2 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

No Viney is the worst, his bursts of speed in tight are  desperation is missing the most.

 

[bobby1554 1,132]

32 minutes ago, bobby1554 said:

Except i think we may be off to Adelaide

I will retract that, Sydney here we come. Christ that will be ugly

[titan_uranus 22,210]

2 minutes ago, danielE288 said:

When I received an email from the club detailing the process for buying finals tickets I had a bad feeling immediately. I'm still in the rather make it than not camp, but we're nowhere near ready for it, I'd only have ab out 6 or 7 guys that played today in my team, move on the rest.

Can we also cut out this "we're not ready for finals" talk?

If we finish in the top 8 then we earned the right to play that first final, and who knows how we will do. At least wait and see how we perform, if we make it.

The weight of pressure will be wholly off our shoulders if we're in Adelaide or Sydney with everyone expecting a loss. Who knows what we'll produce. 

[Dingo 748]

We have a young , inexperienced team , who I think fell for the talk about playing in the finals.And put themselves under pressure.And we have  a 1st year coach - under pressure.We still have a chance of making the finals.But next year we will definitely play finals.Lets stick together.

[Pates 9,536]

2 minutes ago, bobby1554 said:

I will retract that, Sydney here we come. Christ that will be ugly

Lol I have a feeling we're heading to mad Monday!

[danielE288 576]

1 minute ago, titan_uranus said:

Can we also cut out this "we're not ready for finals" talk?

If we finish in the top 8 then we earned the right to play that first final, and who knows how we will do. At least wait and see how we perform, if we make it.

I love your optimism, but do you really think we can challenge Adelaide GWS, Geelong, Sydney, Heck even Richmond will beat us.

There's always a chance we could surprise IF we make it, but realistically we're fair way off

 

[defuture15 836]

4 minutes ago, Dingo said:

We have a young , inexperienced team , who I think fell for the talk about playing in the finals.And put themselves under pressure.And we have  a 1st year coach - under pressure.We still have a chance of making the finals.But next year we will definitely play finals.Lets stick together.

Cmon cmon lets stick together!

[dimmy 1,108]

We were exposed two weeks in a row by sides that moverd the ball quickly down the ground. This made it really difficult foro uur defenders to cover the flow especially when many times we were outnumbered when they hit the 50m mark. Two way running is a very important part of modern footy.

I felt Lewis was our best player today, because he covered a space and used the ball constructively by hand (rather than the dinky 1 m handballs that do not clear the area).

Jayden Hunt was a lot better after 1st Quarter becvause he covered his man. Jamie Elliott was BOG in first half, but i think Hunt or Jetta shut him down a fair bit.

Pretty hard for our defenders when the ball is coming lace out to you from an uncontested possession

JW was very constructive with his ball use today and was amongst our best players.

OMac stuck tyo his task very well.

I feel very sorry for TMAcx, because he deserve a better reward for the efforts he puts in. ( Yea I kno he made mistakes (2) but they were made with the best intentions.

As Simon G has said all the way along, we are developing side and evne if our season ends today then we have made progress.

[bobby1554 1,132]

7 minutes ago, bobby1554 said:

I will retract that, Sydney here we come. Christ that will be ugly

But then again if the Saints can touch up the Toiges???? Is this Goody's ploy all along?

[dees189227 10,700]

16 minutes ago, danielE288 said:

When I received an email from the club detailing the process for buying finals tickets I had a bad feeling immediately. I'm still in the rather make it than not camp, but we're nowhere near ready for it, I'd only have ab out 6 or 7 guys that played today in my team, move on the rest.

Yeah I must admit I was a bit surprised. I did think maybe send that email out when we have definitely qualified. 

It is what it is. 

Did anyone else see Lyndon Dunn after the game when the siren went,  he double fisted the air and ran to the pies fans high fiving them. Yes I know he would have been happy to win and maybe knock us out of the finals but its not like they just won to play finals. 

Gawn and Viney are on game day tomorrow. Will be interesting to see what they have to say. 

 

[deejammin' 2,064]

1 hour ago, Jaded said:

And let's just look at Carlton. Nothing to play for but they are truly giving it a go. 

We are a soft mentally weak team. Have been for the 20 years I've been a member. 

Yeah look at them, losing by 14 goals, finishing two places lower than last year. Not remotely in contention for finals.

Cmon were all hurting but this feel-good Bolton-Carlton crap is a media fabrication. In case no ones noticed they've actually gone backwards.

[danielE288 576]

2 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

Did anyone else see Lyndon Dunn after the game when the siren went,  he double fisted the air and ran to the pies fans high fiving them. Yes I know he would have been happy to win and maybe knock us out of the finals but its not like they just won to play finals. 

Nah didn't see it and don't care. Collingwood player he's entitled to celebrate, fair to say he won't end his a career a premiership player.

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,137]

18 minutes ago, Pates said:

Only if GWS win tonight, if Geelong wins look out for a couple of late withdrawals and cagey performances. 

It's an argument for playing every round 23 game at the same time. Logistically it would be a nightmare, but it would eliminate this situation. 

It would be nothing short of lunacy for Adelaide to rest anyone for this round, or even play below 100% intensity.

No match this week, BYE next week, win first final, another week off, preliminary final - that'd be 1 match in 3-4 weeks for any rested player.

 

I'm expecting them to maul WCE.

[Pates 9,536]

If by some miracle we do make the final jeez I hope we avoid Sydney. We will get beaten by a record margin if we come up against them. 

[praha 10,267]

1 minute ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

It would be nothing short of lunacy for Adelaide to rest anyone for this round, or even play below 100% intensity.

No match this week, BYE next week, win first final, another week off, preliminary final - that'd be 1 match in 3-4 weeks for any rested player.

 

I'm expecting them to maul WCE.

I might be overrated WC but they'll win by 5-6 goals imo.

[Pates 9,536]

2 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

It would be nothing short of lunacy for Adelaide to rest anyone for this round, or even play below 100% intensity.

No match this week, BYE next week, win first final, another week off, preliminary final - that'd be 1 match in 3-4 weeks for any rested player.

 

I'm expecting them to maul WCE.

I expect nothing from this year now!!!! It's been so hard to read!

[Lucifers Hero 36,973]

3 minutes ago, Pates said:

If by some miracle we do make the final jeez I hope we avoid Sydney. We will get beaten by a record margin if we come up against them. 

In that case pray for a huge win by Port tonight!

Edited August 26, 2017 by Lucifer's Hero

[Demonsone 1,593]

23 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

On the topic of not laying a tackle in the first 10 minutes, and not laying enough tackles early - it looks like we had more of the ball in the first quarter.

Was it a case, then, of over-possessing, turning it over at half-forward, and then Collingwood getting clean and easy possessions on the turnover? If so, that explains it (and makes it easier to understand, compared to if it was contested and we just weren't prepared to get our hands dirty).

Tackles are a result of intensity full stop! 

Intensity has to be both ways on attack & defending!

Simply put it they were down hill skiers for the 1st qtr!

How they turned up knowing whats at stake still asks the question what are our leaders doing? 

Strong leaders should have picked that up in the first 5 minutes &  barked out the orders etc!