Jump to content

Posting Unsubstantiated Rumours on this Website is Strictly Forbidden
  • IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING

    Demonland has made the difficult decision to not permit this platform to be used to discuss & debate the off-field issues relating to the Melbourne Football Club including matters currently being litigated between the Club & former Board members, board elections, the culture at the club & the personal issues & allegations against some of our players & officials ...

    We do not take these issues & this decision lightly & of course we believe that these serious matters affecting the club we love & are so passionate about are worthy of discussion & debate & I wish we could provide a place where these matters can be discussed in a civil & respectful manner.

    However these discussions unfortunately invariably devolve into areas that may be defamatory, libelous, spread unsubstantiated rumours & can effect the mental health of those involved. Even discussion & debate of known facts or media reports can lead to finger pointing, blame & personal attacks.

    The repercussion is that these discussions can open this website, it’s owners & it’s users to legal action & may result in this website being forced to shutdown.

    Our moderating team are all volunteers & cannot moderate the forum 24/7 & as a consequence problematic content that contravenes our rules & standards may go unnoticed for some time before it can be removed.

    We reserve the right to delete posts that offend against our above policy & indeed, to ban posters who are repeat offenders or who breach our code of conduct.

    WE HAVE BUILT A FANTASTIC ONLINE COMMUNITY AT DEMONLAND OVER THE PAST 23 YEARS & WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THE CLUB WE LOVE & ARE SO PASSIONATE ABOUT.

    Thank you for your continued support & understanding. Go Dees.


Trade rumours


Big T Mac

Recommended Posts

3 hours ago, BAMF said:

Zero difference.

Zero issues.

Edit: p.s. I don't necessarily disagree with your opinion of Weideman. Just pointing how hypocritical your post was.

No, there are clear differences.

Differences in spotting talent and promising signs during a game (but not only limited to that game), from a not-yet-ready young and developing key forward in his second year Vs posters suggesting we should trade Weideman after Tom McDonald plays a handful of good games playing as a fill-in key forward. 

Given Tom's close relationship with the word 'inconsistency', it only adds to my point about posters putting too much weight on a few good performances before making absurd calls like that. 

I merely made the point that through some VFL performances (the box hill one especially), one can see Weideman's talent and why he was rated so highly. It's there to see. I didn't call him a star or that he'll become one.

So no, given the context there was no hypocrisy in my post. I just should have elaborated on the differences.

Edited by stevethemanjordan
  • Like 2
  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Hypocrisy has developed into an art form on Demonland

 

Can somebody tell me 3 reasons why we need another small fwd and AFL website says we do is not one

If we keep everybody and get everyone fit, it is consistent fwd pressure we need from every fwd, doesn't necessarily have to be small, everybody is getting sucked in by Richmond model as they did with Bulldogs last year

We are forgetting Tim Smith. Hasn't showed a lot yet but could be a versatile fwd for us.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

12 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

We are forgetting Tim Smith. Hasn't showed a lot yet but could be a versatile fwd for us.

I wouldn't be hitching my wagon to Smith. Hogan, Weed, Hannan, pedo and Watts are all in front of him.  We also have  Vanders who is a similar type 

Back up at best 

Edited by Demons11
  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, It's Time said:

My definition of a small forward attributes are not in order :

1. Elite speed

2. Uncanny ability to read the play

3. Ability to get in the right place to collect balls off packs

4. Ability to lead to the right more obscure place to create non existent opportunity and goal.

5. Elite kicking for goal from difficult positions

6. Apply great forward pressure. Like the man who  invented it. Mr A Davey.  

7. Etc Etc

Jeffy is the only one who has those attributes. Ideally you need two in the team. You also need some who can come in when Jeffy has his annual form slump or gets injured. 

Maye Dion Johnston will become one but I don't believe he has that burst speed. JKH doesn't have it and not a great kick for goal. Trac has it all but is more a high half forward slash midfielder. I guess Melksham has shown a bit of all of that but again more as a high half forward. ANB too but without the elite speed and without the elite any of the above but has it at a non elite level. 

Put this together and you get more than 3 reasons why we need more small forwards. :mellow:

Like the man who  invented it. Mr A Davey.  ???

 

Or was it earlier than that?  Wasn't it Mr J Farmer, at the Demons?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, DV8 said:

Like the man who  invented it. Mr A Davey.  ???

 

Or was it earlier than that?  Wasn't it Mr J Farmer, at the Demons?

No you are right,  I reckon Flash was the first ever in the league to consistently provide forward pressure.

  • Like 5
  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

We might need a separate thread for questions (perhaps I'm missing it?), but surely we'd have to have a look at Rockliff. Have no idea what currency we'd have to get the deal done, but Rockliff would be perfect in the red and blue.

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

9 minutes ago, A F said:

We might need a separate thread for questions (perhaps I'm missing it?), but surely we'd have to have a look at Rockliff. Have no idea what currency we'd have to get the deal done, but Rockliff would be perfect in the red and blue.

He's a FA, so would cost nothing except salary cap space. Severely underrated player who you'd hope we're looking at. Would walk into our best team no problem. 

  • Like 5
Link to comment
Share on other sites


12 minutes ago, adsy said:

He's a FA, so would cost nothing except salary cap space. Severely underrated player who you'd hope we're looking at. Would walk into our best team no problem. 

He's also got that flexibility to his game that Goodwin and the FD seem to like. Can go forward and snag a few, as well as ball magnet it up.

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

30 minutes ago, A F said:

He's also got that flexibility to his game that Goodwin and the FD seem to like. Can go forward and snag a few, as well as ball magnet it up.

Agree. Very much a goody style player. A very consistent player. Good mark and good kick. I think he is a little slow though, which isnt an issue in of itself but we have a surfeit of slow players.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

No, there are clear differences.

Differences in spotting talent and promising signs during a game (but not only limited to that game), from a not-yet-ready young and developing key forward in his second year Vs posters suggesting we should trade Weideman after Tom McDonald plays a handful of good games playing as a fill-in key forward. 

Given Tom's close relationship with the word 'inconsistency', it only adds to my point about posters putting too much weight on a few good performances before making absurd calls like that. 

I merely made the point that through some VFL performances (the box hill one especially), one can see Weideman's talent and why he was rated so highly. It's there to see. I didn't call him a star or that he'll become one.

So no, given the context there was no hypocrisy in my post. I just should have elaborated on the differences.

Nice response. To be honest, I respect you posts. I don't always agree with your opinion, but respect your point of view and always read what you have to say as you usually clearly articulate what your thoughts are in great detail. I have come to this site for roughly an hour and a half each day since 2003 but do not post much as I really cannot be bothered to go into as much detail as you do.

Your comparison of Weid to Josh Kennedy is fair. Both showed next to nothing in there second season. Tex walker also showed only a little more in his second season. There is no promise that Sam will have the same development as these two. Most of the better full forwards were showing a lot more promise at the same age. Sam is slightly slow which worries me. I haven't seen him at VFL level. So cant comment too much there, however from following Demonland, I think its fair to say that he hasn't had a good year compared to his promising his first. I think everyone was excited after his Box Hill game which was the clear highlight. He could develop into a good player or he might not. There are a truckload of players who fail to develop or deliver on their young talent. I would be open to trading him if he requests it and if we get equal value to what we paid for him.

I disagree with you in relation to TMac. Played forward for large parts of roughly 12 games for 23 goals, swung back or to the ruck in many. Sure, there were times where I was frustrated from a lack of impact, but he showed a lot of impressive signs for a guy who had been thrown into a position he had little training in and a very surprising accuracy for goal. You will be disappointed if you think he will only play defense next year. He has shown enough to be continued in attack and fill in ruck.

I do agree that Weideman wont be traded because TMac plays forward. As mentioned above, I would be happy to trade him if the price is right. But we would need to draft another young tall. Hell, I think we need another one already,  so if Weid goes that would be two young tall forwards we would need to draft or trade in.

  • Like 4
  • Love 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, A F said:

We might need a separate thread for questions (perhaps I'm missing it?), but surely we'd have to have a look at Rockliff. Have no idea what currency we'd have to get the deal done, but Rockliff would be perfect in the red and blue.

I dont think there is much talk about Rockliff as while he is a great player and we could always use a great player.... he isnt an outside mid/Fwd-Ruck or tall defender.

I would absolutely love it if we got him and had the luxury of playing him inside mid or forward, but he isnt a pressing need and wouldn't be cheap. I was hoping we were going to trade him in last year.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

18 minutes ago, Demon77 said:

Apologies if this has been mentioned already but this could be more BS.

Hear demons have put Watts and Salem on the table to Free up room for jake Lever arrival. Time will tell

I know its been said before, but it defies logic that waldron still has a media gig after what he did at the storm.

The only thing more baffling would be wayne carey having a regular tv commentary spot...

  • Like 5
  • Haha 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, clark's kick said:

I know its been said before, but it defies logic that waldron still has a media gig after what he did at the storm.

The only thing more baffling would be wayne carey having a regular tv commentary spot...

Regardless of what you think of him, he does get very good mail 

Link to comment
Share on other sites


1 hour ago, BAMF said:

I dont think there is much talk about Rockliff as while he is a great player and we could always use a great player.... he isnt an outside mid/Fwd-Ruck or tall defender.

I would absolutely love it if we got him and had the luxury of playing him inside mid or forward, but he isnt a pressing need and wouldn't be cheap. I was hoping we were going to trade him in last year.

Why can't we upgrade what we have AND fill in holes ? Only time and player availability would be the limiting factor. If we bring in Rockliff and assess that we don't need Tyson or ANB and can use him in a trade package or trade for someone that fills in a hole.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Am told Cats are keen on Devon Smith, who has recently acquired real estate on the Bellarine, that Jake Stringer's preferred destination is The Cattery, ditto for Rockliff and they expect to welcome back SOG for a packet of crisps.  Expect to lose Motlop and some other cast offs.  They will always be a destination club because of their location.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

They'll need to trade some serious assets if the cats expect to land Devon Smith, Rockliff, SOG and Stinger all in this offseason

They only have 2018 picks?? 1 2018 first round pick to land all of those players... And Fatlop (who didin't have a bad game last night) and some other B graders won't get 1st round picks

It's going to be interesting but what a joke if they pull them all off....

Edited by Unleash Hell
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Unleash Hell said:

They'll need to trade some serious assets if the cats expect to land Devon Smith, Rockliff, SOG and Stinger all in this offseason

They only have 2018 picks?? 1 2018 first round pick to land all of those players... And Fatlop (who didin't have a bad game last night) and some other B graders won't get 1st round picks

It's going to be interesting but what a joke if they pull them all off....

But they always seem to get the seemingly impossible trades done. I would not be surprised one bit if it all comes to pass.

We should be setting the same lofty goals for our own list development now. I'm really hoping this is the year where we do a Geelong and bag some stars.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

12 minutes ago, McQueen said:

But they always seem to get the seemingly impossible trades done. I would not be surprised one bit if it all comes to pass.

We should be setting the same lofty goals for our own list development now. I'm really hoping this is the year where we do a Geelong and bag some stars.

It too has me bvggered as to how they horse trade but by Jupiter they're bloody good at it.

Dont know about 'stars' but would be content to add a bit of 'class' to our game. 

Edited by beelzebub
  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Does anyone know for sure how Geelong are impacted by the whole 'must use 2 first round draft picks in a rolling 4 year period' situation?

Nakia Cockatoo was their last first round selection in 2014 draft, and without first rounder to use in this years 2017 draft surely they are required to keep/use first rounder picks for next years 2018 draft? - perhaps even required to trade in a first round pick ontop of that to get their 2 first rounders in 4 years?

Most I've found about it is random Herald Sun article basically saying the AFL are only planning to loosely follow that rule until 2019 when it will become much stricter.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    TRAINING: Tuesday 19th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Kev Martin & Walking Civil War attended Tuesday morning's training session at Gosch's Paddock to bring you the following observations. KEV MARTIN'S TRAINING OBSERVATIONS Windy, even the Yarra has waves, warm and humid. They are doing plenty of warm ups, then a game of soccer, now run throughs. I think keeping it simple. May, ANB, Hore, Max. TMac, Billings, Sestan, on modified programs.  BBB, Spargs, Turner, McAdam (own program, talking to Whe

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    DEE-RUBBING by George on the Outer

    For the second week in a row, the Demons had to endure some particularly oppressive match conditions — this time, playing in 30 degree temperatures at the MCG, following the humid sticky Sydney atmosphere of last week.   The warmer conditions didn’t seem to worry the Dee’s since the ball was so much easier to handle, and handle it with surety they did in handing out a 45 point drubbing to the much fancied Western Bulldogs.   After a slow start that saw the Dogs out to

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    PREGAME: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The Demons will return to the MCG next week to face the Hawks before 2 weeks on the road in Adelaide in the lead up to Gather Round. Who comes in and who goes out?

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 132

    PODCAST: Rd 01 vs Western Bulldogs

    The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 18th March @ 8:30pm. Join George, Binman & I as we analyse the Demons victory at the MCG over the Bulldogs in the Round 01. You questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show. If you would like to leave us a voicemail please call 03 9016 3666 and don't worry no body answers so you don't have to talk to a human. Listen & Chat

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 65

    POSTGAME: Rd 01 vs Western Bulldogs

    The Demons finally open their account in the 2024 Premiership Season with a 45 point win over the Western Bulldogs at the Home of Football the MCG.   

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 441

    VOTES: Rd 01 vs Western Bulldogs

    Last week Jack Viney polled the maximum number of votes to lead the Demonland Player of the Year Award. Steven May and rookie Blake Howes are equal second. Your votes for the win over the Bulldogs. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 75

    GAMEDAY: Rd 01 vs Western Bulldogs

    On the back of a disappointing Opening Round loss to the Swans in Sydney the Demons return to the MCG today to take on the the Western Bulldogs in a bid to even the ledger early in the 2024 season.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 467

    TRAINING: Saturday 16th March 2023

    Demonland Trackwatchers Kev Martin and Dee Zephyr wandered down to Gosch's Paddock on Saturday morning to bring you their observations from the Captain's Run in the lead up to Sunday's Round One match against the Bulldogs. KEV MARTIN'S CAPTAIN'S RUN OBSERVATIONS Rehab  is out early. A beautiful Saturday morning, though plenty of dew on the paddock  Verrall doing hard sprints along the boundary.  McAdam individual program and has started, ball work, change of direction drills,

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    CROSSING THE PICKETT LINE by The Oracle

    Melbourne’s performance in losing its Round Zero contest in Sydney has certainly caused the club, the coach and the players to come firmly under the watchful eye of the football world and exposed all of its aspects to a microscopic lens.   Much of the commentary surrounding them has been less than complimentary and, while some might argue that this is unfair after only one round, leaving aside some of the scuttlebutt that surrounds a lot of the discussion around the game, a fair amoun

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

  • Podcast 

  • Podcast 

  • Podcast Stream 


    Open Stream in
    New Window
        TuneIn    Opens in New Tab
  • Support Demonland  



  • 2021 Premiership  

  • Social Media 

  • Non MFC Games  

    NON-MFC: Round 02

    Discussion of all the other games that don't involve the Demons in Round 02 ... READ MORE

    Demonland | Round 02

  • Training  

    Tuesday, 19th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Kev Martin & Walking Civil War attended Tuesday morning's training session at Gosch's Paddock to bring you the following observations ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 19

  • Latest Podcast      

    PODCAST: Rd 01 vs Western Bulldogs

    The boys analysed the dismantling of the Western Bulldogs praising the masterful performance of Clayton Oliver, the dominance of Max Gawn and the defence and rebound of Steven May ... LISTEN

    Demonland | March 19

  • Match Report      

    DEE-RUBBING by George on the Outer

    For the second week in a row, the Demons had to endure some particularly oppressive match conditions — this time, playing in 30 degree temperatures at the MCG, following the humid sticky Sydney atmosphere of last week ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 17

  • Post Game      

    POSTGAME: Round 01 vs Western Bulldogs

    TThe Demons finally open their account in the 2024 Premiership Season with a 45 point win over the Western Bulldogs at the Home of Football the MCG ...READ MORE

    Demonland | March 17

  • Votes      

    VOTES: Round 01 vs Western Bulldogs

    Last week Jack Viney polled the maximum number of votes to lead the Demonland Player of the Year Award. Steven May and rookie Blake Howes are equal second. Your votes for the win over the Bulldogs. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 ...READ MORE

    Demonland | March 17

  • PreGame      

    PREGAME: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The Demons will return to the MCG next week to face the Hawks before 2 weeks on the road in Adelaide in the lead up to Gather Round. Who comes in and who goes out? ...READ MORE

    Demonland | March 19

  • Game Day      

    GAMEDAY: Round 01 vs Western Bulldogs

    On the back of a disappointing Opening Round loss to the Swans in Sydney the Demons return to the MCG today to take on the the Western Bulldogs in a bid to even the ledger early in the 2024 season ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 17

  • Training  

    Saturday, 16th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Kev Martin and Dee Zephyr wandered down to Gosch's Paddock on Saturday morning to bring you their observations from the Captain's Run in the lead up to Sunday's Round One match against the Bulldogs ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 16

  • Match Preview      

    CROSSING THE PICKETT LINE by The Oracle

    Melbourne’s performance in losing its Round Zero contest in Sydney has certainly caused the club, the coach and the players to come firmly under the watchful eye of the football world and exposed all of its aspects to a microscopic lens ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 14

  • Training  

    Monday, 11th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatcher Kev Martin braved the scorching heat on a public holiday to bring you the following observations from Training ...READ MORE

    Demonland | March 11

  • Preseason Training  

    Saturday, 2nd March 2024

    On the eve of the 2024 Season I ventured down to Gosch's Paddock for one of the final preseason training session before we head up to Sydney to take on the Swans. Here are my observations from the training session ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 02

  • Special Feature  

    SCRUTINY & RESILIENCE by Whispering Jack

    If the week when preseason training melds into scratch matches with other clubs, is the first marker for the beginning of a new season, then this has certainly been a torrid opener for the Melbourne Football Club in its campaign to remain a leading AFL premiership contender in 2024 ... READ MORE

    Demonland | February 24

  • Farewell  

    Angus Brayshaw Retires

    After 167 games including the drought breaking Premiership Angus Brayshaw has made the heart breaking decision to medically retire from football as a result of a series of serious head knocks over his nearly decade of footy. We wish Gus all the best and he'll always be a hero at Demonland ... READ MORE

    Demonland | February 22

  • Latest Podcast  

    PODCAST: Koltyn Tholstrup Interview

    I interview the Melbourne Football Club’s newest recruit Koltyn Tholstrup to have a chat about his journey from the farm to the Demons, his first few weeks of preseason training, which Dees have impressed him on the track and his aspirations of playing Round 1 ... LISTEN

    Demonland | December 14

  • Latest Podcast  

    PODCAST: Jason Taylor Interview

    I interview the Melbourne Football Club's National Recruitment Manager Jason Taylor to have a chat about our Trade and Draft period, our newest recruits, our recent recruits who have yet to debut as well as those father son prospects on the horizon ... LISTEN

    Demonland | November 27

  • Next Match 

    .

    Round 02

       vs   

    Saturday 23rd March 2024
    @ 04:35pm (MCG)

  • MFC Forum  

  • Match Previews & Reports  

  • Training Forum  

  • AFLW Forum  

  • 2024 Player Sponsorship

  • Topics

  • Injury List  


      PLAYER INJURY LENGTH
    Oliver Sestan Concussion 1 Week
    Lachie Hunter Calf 2 Weeks
    Daniel Turner Hip 5-6 Weeks
    Jake Bowey Shoulder 8 Weeks
    Shane McAdam Hamstring TBC
    Jake Melksham ACL TBC
    Charlie Spargo Achilles TBC
    Joel Smith Suspension TBA

  • Player of the Year  


        PLAYER VOTES
    1 Steven May 25
    2 Jack Viney 20
    3 Clayton Oliver 18
    4 Max Gawn 11
    5 Jack Billings 10
    5 Blake Howes 10
    7 Christian Petracca 9
    7 Christian Salem 9
    9 Bayley Fritsch 4
    9 Judd McVee 4

        FULL TABLE
  • Demonland Interviews 



  • Upcoming Events 

×
×
  • Create New...