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11 minutes ago, Uncle Fester said:

If by different you mean 'annoyingly self righteous pain in the arse' then yeah. I'm happy for that to be frowned upon and laughed at.

Sorry,  you do mean H, that statement could cover a few posters on here

22 minutes ago, martin said:

Is he still grieving the passing of Muhammad Ali? Must be tough. Problem with Harry is that he believes himself to be highly intelligent. Anything but.

You know him personally? Says more about you than him

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1 minute ago, Satyriconhome said:

Sorry,  you do mean H, that statement could cover a few posters on here

I can think of at least one...

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38 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Everybody is entitled to their views, it is having them rammed down my throat that I object to, or the whining that if you don't agree you are being PC

H was different, patently not allowed in Australia, so we need to immediately denigrate, it takes balls to tread an individual path in life.

You only have to read some of the topics as the pack senses weakness in a poster and goes for the kill, I am speaking from personal experience of course, but as I regard this forum as nothing but trivial entertainment ( this topic being an exception) it has no impact on me, anonymous keyboard warriors are what the name suggests

I have been here over 40 years and knew from the first week that Australian culture includes a healthy dose of racism, to all races who are not your classic Aussie as described above

He was respected by the other players for his on field achievements, he tended to keep to himself off field, but that occurs at every club as a player matures and develops interests away from the game, family, business etc

 

The English have a great record colonizing great slabs of Earth 🌏 

that was such a huge success

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16 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Sorry,  you do mean H, that statement could cover a few posters on here

You know him personally? Says more about you than him

Every time he opens his mouth he hangs himself. Don't need to know him. Horribly divisive character.If u feel the need to defend this recalcitrant the problem is solely yours.

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1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

The English have a great record colonizing great slabs of Earth 🌏 

that was such a huge success

You could say that.

They bought trade, shipping,medicine,engineering,trains,sewerage and the rule of law not to mention cricket,Gin ,Rum , Beer ,Botany and Mapping.

You could say the general life expectancy of all of us in Australia is greatly improved by it.As well as in most continents, if not all.

Not to mention quality of life.

 

 

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A divisive topic eh? It's not one way or the other way. Anyone telling us there's too much Political correctness or that the country is racist has no nuance at all and comes across as desperate. It's no wonder these debates become heated, because both sides have incorrect views and both sides feel the need to correct those incorrect views, over and over.

And IMO, Lamumba is both a pretentious wanka and not a pretentious wanka, depending on what time of the day it is. Just like me, and everyone else.

And as for Lamumba being self righteous and holier than thou, hasn't anyone ever been righteous and 'correct' in an argument with a partner? Or been a human in their 20's?

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I'd heard the "Chimp" nickname a couple of years ago and actually reckon it was one of the things that H used to drive himself at Collingwood, a feeling of being the righteous but persecuted, gave his some anger, "I'll prove those f#ckers wrong" etc... But then he came to MFC and we didn't persecute him, so he lost his mojo and tried to create some pejudice "the MFC dont have indigenous staff..." but it failed to get him going so he lost form and interest...

All speculation, but its fascinating the way people work, even beyond their own awareness. 

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During the doco, does H turn slowly to camera, final year's cheque in outstretched hand (the hard-earned fruit of his labours), and offer to make poverty history? That's the Harry I know, selfless, utterly selfless.

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7 hours ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

The Prince is a conundrum. Much of what he says carries weight (I tend to agree with his overall points on the 'Les' nickname and being annoyed at Eddie re: Goodes) but a lot of his act can be overblown (taking extended time off to mourn the death of Muhammad Ali) or baffling (claiming we were trying to limit the number of games he played so as not to trigger an extra year on his contract but also exposing him to harm re: his concussion).

The nickname 'Chimp' was absolutely apalling if true and it doesn't matter if it were for a week or ten years. Those who are trying to draw equivalence between how their mates in school got called rangas and this might want to look at the historical legacy as to why people of color were compared to monkeys.

I found Adam Goodes' exit from AFL absolutely heartbreaking. I could never, and will never, work out why so many viewed him as a 'despicable [censored]'. 

While I concur with some of Herry L's social views, I can understand why he gives people the shits.

This pretty much sums it up for me, at times he has made some excellent points and whichever way you look at it him being called "Chimp" (even if was just a few days) is ridiculous. 

Theres no doubt there's a long way to go with making inroads on racism, at the end of the day as someone who has never (and extremely likely will never) experienced racism directed at me it's impossible for me to actually know how it feels. Career wise publicly confronting Eddie over his King Kong comment was a mistake, but with the knowledge that he was called Chimp at times it makes a lot more sense and he felt strongly enough to do it. 

All that aside though I don't think he does a good job of creating understanding, it feels like the way he gets his message across can alienate and come from a holier than thou perspective. He's a very different cat, on that I think everyone can agree. 

I was excited about him coming to Melbourne but I don't think his heart was ever in it with us, whether that was a disillusionment with the entire football world I don't know. His exit was messy and unprofessional on his part, the way we have managed Brayshaw through his concussions and the way he's come back proves that our medical staff know how to manage these situations. As for his comments on us not having an indigenous former player as a coach, I would welcome the addition of anyone that can impart useful knowledge onto our players whatever their background. It's a fair few years off but I reckon Nev Jetta would be a great defensive coach/mentor when he retires.

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"Chimp" clearly not acceptable. "F log" is much more appropriate.

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Can't wait to not watch this. 

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12 minutes ago, dworship said:

What's a Lumumba?

a prince i think?

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2 hours ago, Biffen said:

You could say that.

They bought trade, shipping,medicine,engineering,trains,sewerage and the rule of law not to mention cricket,Gin ,Rum , Beer ,Botany and Mapping.

You could say the general life expectancy of all of us in Australia is greatly improved by it.As well as in most continents, if not all.

Not to mention quality of life.

 

 

What have the Romans or the English for that matter, supply ever done for us eh, You could say! 

Actually it would be interesting to know the life expectancy of our indigenous peoples pre contact. The more you read about their known life styles as it is being reinterpreted in recent times (refer Bruce Pascoe) it seems they may have done as well as anybody up until the recent invention of pharmaceuticals. They had no viral, contagious diseases, no plagues, no bacterial diseases associated people living in close proximity in cities. And they only worked a few hours a day to meet their food requirements because they weren't required to supply arms and time to some hierarchical tyrant and his army. Which was a requirement of European society of the day. 

Other than that trade has been good for everyone. 

 

Interesting subject though. 

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Yuck.

Can we not have the Demons forum go down that rabbit hole that is General Discussion please?

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10 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

What have the Romans or the English for that matter, supply ever done for us eh, You could say! 

Actually it would be interesting to know the life expectancy of our indigenous peoples pre contact. The more you read about their known life styles as it is being reinterpreted in recent times (refer Bruce Pascoe) it seems they may have done as well as anybody up until the recent invention of pharmaceuticals. They had no viral, contagious diseases, no plagues, no bacterial diseases associated people living in close proximity in cities. And they only worked a few hours a day to meet their food requirements because they weren't required to supply arms and time to some hierarchical tyrant and his army. Which was a requirement of European society of the day. 

Other than that trade has been good for everyone. 

 

Interesting subject though. 

Yes no doubt they would prefer Captain Cook never came .

I daresay many of they convicts would have preferred to stay in England as well.

it was an era of universal exploration that saw much of the world "discovered" .

Unfortunately we cannot change the past.

Many of our ancestors were brought here as slaves of the British Empire .

Aboriginals were used to track convicts and vice-versa.

I would be extremely irate if I had Sydney to myself and then a bunch of  foreigners sailed in and divided up the place.

 

 

 

 

 

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11 hours ago, Little Goffy said:

Well, I didn't realise he was given the nickname 'Chimp' at Collingwood. Say what you like about Lumumba being a bit pretentious and precious, but that is f'n awful.

I mean this is pretty basic stuff, not complicated. Even Collingwood people should be able to get that far.

Surprised? the current president referred to Goodes as King KOng

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10 hours ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

I found Adam Goodes' exit from AFL absolutely heartbreaking. I could never, and will never, work out why so many viewed him as a 'despicable [censored]'. 

Couldn't agree more Mr CBF.

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What a miserable person Lumumba must be. He has left two clubs and the game as a whole with no friends and nothing but hard feelings.

There is nothing more sad and destructive in this world than people who claim offence on behalf of others.

Ultimately he is just an attention seeking egomaniac who suffers from a bad case of relevance deficit disorder.

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

The English have a great record colonizing great slabs of Earth 🌏 

that was such a huge success

Not particularly fond of the English myself being of Irish/Scottish/Romany origin, but my ancestors probably helped populate Australia, not by choice of course

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2 hours ago, poita said:

What a miserable person Lumumba must be. He has left two clubs and the game as a whole with no friends and nothing but hard feelings.

There is nothing more sad and destructive in this world than people who claim offence on behalf of others.

Ultimately he is just an attention seeking egomaniac who suffers from a bad case of relevance deficit disorder.

 

 

 

He'd do well on here then

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4 hours ago, chook fowler said:

A narcissist with an over-inflated sense of entitlement 

That's no way to speak about Bill Shorten

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He will do anything to portray himself as a victim.Melbourne went out of there way to help this manipulative opportunist.Any chance he gets he plays the race card .What a waste of space!!

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