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MATCH PREVIEW AND TEAM SELECTION - Round 16

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DubDee    1,944

Yep marchbank is a big out for them. Plowman undersized and weitering likes to be loose. Hogan and Gawn could grab a few marks inside 50

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TeamPlayedFine39    2,246

There's some serious firepower in that starting Carlton midfield, going to need to load up on mids-

STRETCH, TRENGOVE, KENT, JKH

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Deestroy All    10,518
9 minutes ago, Demon Jack said:

Stretch was really disappointing against the Swans but I thought he was very impressive against West Coast. A number of our impressive plays from that night (especially when the heat was on) started from a Billy handball from the bottom of a pack. 

I thought he was good v West Coast too, but I did notice him not go when he should've. Against the Swans he was poor and there was twice I noticed when he chose not to be first to the ball. 

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scarlett    113

Id like to see tmac out of the square hogan chf. Carlton have a big defence

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Demon Jack    2,728

Any word on the stand in skipper yet?

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Clint Bizkit    12,772
23 minutes ago, Deestroy All said:

Stretch has to be dropped if we're fair dinkum about doing the hard things. 2 weeks in a row he didn't put his head over the ball when he should've. 

He's gone backwards this year.

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monoccular    5,444
21 minutes ago, Demon Jack said:

I don't want to rush him in, but I really want to see Joel Smith named in the final 22 considering White has been dropped and we're missing a head at half-back. He might also bring in some much needed team flexibility and allow Bernie and Lewis to play in the midfield which would help start to solve our no Viney and Tyson dilemma.

 

12 minutes ago, Gorgoroth said:

What chance We don't have as many coming off the back of the square?

 I think any chance we have for quick entries into our f50 with Hogan back and to he it away from their mids asap might be a tactic at times on Sunday.

I just hope that with Jesse back we don't revert to the "kick it long" mentality so beloved by many at the game. He needs to come back as a cog in the wheel, not as THE wheel. 

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martin    303
3 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Yep marchbank is a big out for them. Plowman undersized and weitering likes to be loose. Hogan and Gawn could grab a few marks inside 50

Weitering no certainty to play. If he plays I doubt that he will be 100% with a dodgy ankle. Looks like McKay has been selected as insurance.

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Wiseblood    12,056
1 minute ago, monoccular said:

 

I just hope that with Jesse back we don't revert to the "kick it long" mentality so beloved by many at the game. He needs to come back as a cog in the wheel, not as THE wheel. 

I agree, although with Tom Mac and Pedersen down there, both who are capable of clunking marks and kicking goals, it gives us more options than normal.  Their back line outside of Casboult is not particularly tall or strong so we can leave them both down there.

The big test will be making sure we get it down there often enough.  It's nice to see us playing a little taller now as we've missed it!

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Bates Mate    272
2 minutes ago, monoccular said:

 

I just hope that with Jesse back we don't revert to the "kick it long" mentality so beloved by many at the game. He needs to come back as a cog in the wheel, not as THE wheel. 

We do that anyway at least we have a target who can mark the ball now

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Deestroy All    10,518

Not one mention of Hogan on that blokes talking random [censored] show League Teams. 

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Spirit of '87    153
27 minutes ago, FlashInThePan said:

 So happy to see Trenners get picked....deserves a chance to prove he can still make out at the highest level.

To make out at the highest level? I'm sure with his good looks that the ladies provide him with plenty of opportunities to prove that. 

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CHF    454
2 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

There's some serious firepower in that starting Carlton midfield, going to need to load up on mids-

STRETCH, TRENGOVE, KENT, JKH

I agree 100% with this. we will need the rotations through the midfield to keep the pressure on the Carlton midfield. One of Smith or Wagner may be included to slot into the back 6 to release Lewis or Vince for a rotation into the midfield.

B: Michael Hibberd, Oscar McDonald, Neville Jetta

HB: Jordan Lewis, Sam Frost, Bernie Vince

C: Jayden Hunt, Christian Petracca, Mitch Hannan

HF: James Harmes, Cam Pedersen, Alex Neal-Bullen

F: Jeff Garlett, Jesse Hogan, Tom McDonald

Foll: Max Gawn, Clayton Oliver, Jake Melksham

I/C (from): Billy Stretch, Jack Trengove, Dean Kent, Jay Kennedy-Harris, Josh Wagner, Sam Weideman, Joel Smith

Looking at this team we have a good settled defence that has performed well over the season except last week when the midfield went missing and, with the addition of Hogan and Garlett, the forwards look well balanced and potent. good flexibility in the forward group with TMac and Pedo both able to relieve in the ruck or go back to bolster the defence.

Midfield, with the IC above, will have the option of 14 players that could get a run in the midfield during the game. this does not include throwing a big body in there every now and then such as Tmac or Hogan. 

 

Personally I love it when I see Hogan lining up at a center bounce.

 

 

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DemonOX    3,868
33 minutes ago, FlashInThePan said:

 So happy to see Trenners get picked. I know I should just care about the team winning but i just really feel like he is a servant of the club and deserves a chance to prove he can still make out at the highest level.

I'm betting he is going to have a special game. Come on Dees!

He doesn't deserve a game for being a "servant" of the club but to do with his consistent form in the VFL. 

Injuries have opened a spot for him and I hope he gets one and takes full advantage of it. 

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old dee    10,563
16 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

There's some serious firepower in that starting Carlton midfield, going to need to load up on mids-

STRETCH, TRENGOVE, KENT, JKH

Stretch! He is an average player on his good days TPF 39. 

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bing181    3,864

With two forwards in, find it hard to see how Kent would also be included. The forward line isn't where we're missing players.

Much as I'd like to see it, I don't think Trengove will get up.

Stretch was down last week, but he wasn't alone. It could be tired legs thing as much as form, think he'll keep his place.

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Nasher    19,504

Wagner was poo last week, but has demonstrated AFL capability before. Happy to persevere - I think he and Smith are probably competing for a place on the HBF, with Hunt replacing White on the other. 

With Viney and Tyson out, we're short competent mids - Harmes, ANB and Kent (in that order) are going to have to spend time in there. Lewis and Vince really have to step up. Oliver needs to be able to spend 80%+ time on the ground as our contested ball battery is significantly weakened. If he has a poor game we lose I think.

Our firepower forward looks heaps more potent with Hogan and Garlett back. TMac is in form and should stay there, playing deep in my opinion. He has marking power and has developed a reliable set shot - I'm hoping he's good for another 2-3 goals but at the very least, should force defenders away from Hogan.   Pedersen to play the more mobile tall role Watts would normally play - he played one quarter of good football in this role against WC but has been down either side of that. Need more from him.

Just excited to see Jesse back. 

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old dee    10,563
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5 minutes ago, DemonOX said:

He doesn't deserve a game for being a "servant" of the club but to do with his consistent form in the VFL. 

Injuries have opened a spot for him and I hope he gets one and takes full advantage of it. 

If he gets a game it is Champagne or river water on Sunday night. Anything less than a good game and his career is over.

I think we can now say it is all over for Kennedy. If you cannot get a game after good form at Casey and our injury list then you won't ever. He is the Grimes of 2017.

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Maldonboy38    2,022

Wagner seems to be highly valued by the coaching staff so reckon he stays in. Would love the others to be Stretch, Trengove and J Smith. 

Our forward line is much too much for their depleted defenders but they will keep a spare man back - they have done it all year against every opposition. 

Their forwards are their problem while our defenders are the best part of our team.

So, it will once again be lost or won in the midfield. Vince, Lewis and (hopefully) Trengove will be of huge value to help out Oliver and Petracca against Cripps, Gibbs etc... 

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Josh    503
14 minutes ago, Nasher said:

Wagner was poo last week, but has demonstrated AFL capability before. Happy to persevere - I think he and Smith are probably competing for a place on the HBF, with Hunt replacing White on the other. 

With Viney and Tyson out, we're short competent mids - Harmes, ANB and Kent (in that order) are going to have to spend time in there. Lewis and Vince really have to step up. Oliver needs to be able to spend 80%+ time on the ground as our contested ball battery is significantly weakened. If he has a poor game we lose I think.

Our firepower forward looks heaps more potent with Hogan and Garlett back. TMac is in form and should stay there, playing deep in my opinion. He has marking power and has developed a reliable set shot - I'm hoping he's good for another 2-3 goals but at the very least, should force defenders away from Hogan.   Pedersen to play the more mobile tall role Watts would normally play - he played one quarter of good football in this role against WC but has been down either side of that. Need more from him.

Just excited to see Jesse back. 

I agree.

 

It's a worry though I can remember pinning hopes and dreams on 19yr olds alot in the past 10 years 

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Abe    9,853

I think around the ground we have a clear edge but the blues have a clear edge in the middle. We have a lot of options though so it'll be an interesting battle. If we break even we win 

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P-man    8,562

J Smith would be the first one picked off that bench for me. Loved what I saw at the start of the year. Kent, Trengove and Stretch the other three.

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shorty    112

Most of the guys were crap last week just winning four in a row is tough without coming up against the in form Swans. I think one of ins will be a like for like, given Tyson's not quick it could well be JackT. ANB goes straight to Doherty that's a given. Wagner stays. Bernie into the midfield, worries me I think he's carrying an injury.

I/c Trenners , Wagner, JKH, Stretch

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jnrmac    7,675
22 minutes ago, old dee said:

If he gets a game it is Champagne or river water on Sunday night. Anything less than a good game and his career is over.

I think we can now say it is all over for Kennedy. If you cannot get a game after good form at Casey and our injury list then you won't ever. He is the Grimes of 2017.

Kennedy's disposal is either not damaging enough or he turns it over. Very difficult to fix. The rest of his game is fine you would think...

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