List Structure: What do we actually need?

[Dee1987 277]

Just another player with damaging killer instinct plz

[titan_uranus 22,210]

Another line-breaking runner - we have Hunt but he's still about the only consistent provider of pace off half-back.

Nothing wrong with Hibberd, Salem or Lewis but some more pace to give Hunt some support would be good.

I also wouldn't want to read too much into OMac's 1.5 games of form. If he plays like this for the rest of the season, then we can re-consider our KPD stocks.

[Binmans PA 25,885]

I'd be looking at stocking up in the midfield again. Elite talent only though (ie. first rounder). Vince and Lewis are near the end. Jones will probably play another 3-4 years. 

Oliver, Viney, Tyson, Petracca, Salem and maybe Brayshaw. Could be terrific and add Hunt, plus Stretch to that and it's an exciting young group. But it's a little narrow for midfield rotations. 

Whitfield should be our second target behind Kelly. And who knows who else might be on the table all of a sudden. No one would have predicted we'd have Lewis this year. Of course, as a draft/trading strategy that's not great, but given our lack of clear needs, we're well positioned.

[rjay 23,846]

14 hours ago, Mach5 said:

My question is: should we actually be targeting Jake Lever or Steven May? Do we really need another tall defender with Tom & Oscar McDonald and Frosty all standing up? 

This might not be a popular view but we shouldn't get too excited about our KPD stocks just yet.

I think they are moving along nicely but using our last 2 opponents as a measuring stick is folly.

Neither have an established KPF.

[Robbie57 1,990]

Lewis, Vince and Jones are at the end of proceedings so we need to have an eye on replacing them with a quality mid and possibly similar mature aged recruits. Our forward line is very make shift when we have injuries. We need a Garlett type replacement in the next few years and another KPF. Weed will develop but we need some depth. 

Our first stop is a quality mid. 

[Red and Blue realist 2,026]

We've only really got Vince, Lewis, Pedo and perhaps Jones who won't be on the list (age wise) in the next 3 years, and realistically Lewis and Vince are currently role players, rather than key cogs and Pedo is still a stop gap (as good as he has been).

I doubt we'll be out chasing a big fish, unless they actively want to come to us and then they'd have to take under's to what they'd get at Nth or Saints. Our big fish are at the club, and I think we'll just be finding extra pieces to the puzzle.

At this stage we're nearly be going to the draft looking at just the best available rather than anything specific, then with later picks/rookies getting some key back and ruck depth.  

[Little Goffy 12,489]

For what it's worth, there's a 203cm ruck/forward from Victoria apparently tipped to go very high in the draft; Sam Hayes. I only know the chatter and forum posts about him, but the story goes he was coming through as a very promising ruckman but this year has been playing a lot more up forward and doing just as well there.

We'd need to upgrade our pick, since we'll be starting with pick 18 or so () and he is tipped to be as high as top 5 if he continues on current form. The question of course is whether there's room in the forward line and ruck for Hogan, Weid, Hayes and Gawn.

Anyway, I still just wish we could trade draft picks for specific corrections. Like, a 2nd round pick in exchange for giving Bugg some set shot accuracy.

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

5 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

Anyway, I still just wish we could trade draft picks for specific corrections. Like, a 2nd round pick in exchange for giving Bugg some set shot accuracy.

Ha. Now that's thinking creatively.

As far as your pick 5 this year goes. I reckon hold off twelve months. 2018 has the cream.

[HBDee 343]

We have four ruckmen on our list. Granted two are developers, but we don't need another ruckman, unless Spencil goes.

We have plenty of mid/flanker types.

Key forwards and backs are hard to find so take them where we can I think. Joel Smith showed enough early in the year for mine to show he can play reasonably tall down back given his leap, and potentially up forward.....

Probably get rid of a few of the smaller depth guys in favour of some younger talent will be the main change come the end of the year I think.

[armstrong35 262]

I'm happy with the team we have now but obviously would love a Kelly or May...
I would love another Jetta style player. Who is 18, not going to waste time trying to turn him into a forward pocket, getting ready to fill in Jetta's spot once the time comes. Also, Another younger Jeffy Garlett would be good!

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,381]

What a difference a few years can make. If this thread had been started after round 12 in 2013 it would be about 12 or perhaps more pages long by now.

For context, a quick check shows that we didn't actually lose in Round 12 in 2013, but only because we had the bye. We were 17th on the ladder with one win and 10 losses and a percentage of 49.8%. Our previous game was against Collingwood where we lost 17.20 to 5.9. And without making any particular comment, I note that it was during the mid-season bye that Mark Neeld was sacked on 17 June 2013.

[Wrecker45 3,378]

Do Hawthorn have anyone coming into free agency? We should poach them and bring them to a club going places.

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[DeeZone 7,642]

We need to continue building quality depth at the club, our bottom 7 were a long way ahead of the Doggies bottom 7 on Sunday. Go Dee's!!!

[What 18,810]

Out list is the best outside of GWS.

Not my words, the words of almost every neutral supporter I have spoken to,  Have to agree with them now.

We sit 7-5 (could easily be 12-0), have been in every game, have a nice %, and have barely had Hogan and Gawn on the park. And a potential star in Brayshaw waiting in the wings, as well as the 19 year old promising KF Weideman. Stretch and Wagner will be very good players at AFL level.  Add in the very exciting Joel Smith whos about ready to return, an out list is really one to envy.

If we lose to West Coast, that will not change a thing either. We are coming like a freight train.  

Goody is a proactive coach who the players seem to love, McCartney is a development genius and Jason Taylor will continue to add to our list with his midas touch on draft day.

So if the question is 'what do we need?', I argue we have everything we need and continued development of these players is the key (and for the first time in a long time we should be very confident they will all reach their potential under our development staff).

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

What a difference a few years can make. If this thread had been started after round 12 in 2013 it would be about 12 or perhaps more pages long by now.

For context, a quick check shows that we didn't actually lose in Round 12 in 2013, but only because we had the bye. We were 17th on the ladder with one win and 10 losses and a percentage of 49.8%. Our previous game was against Collingwood where we lost 17.20 to 5.9. And without making any particular comment, I note that it was during the mid-season bye that Mark Neeld was sacked on 17 June 2013.

By this stage, you would have been sure to have seen the Dustin Martin, Nathan Fyfe and Josh Kelly threads by now. Also general 'whinge' threads about the state the club is in and whose fault it was are also well down. Not that the former wasn't warranted!

[Fat Tony 4,349]

I think we have a very balanced list, but a classy outside midfielder like Issac Smith would be the biggest need IMO.

[Redleg 37,447]

17 hours ago, Watts Jurrah Dunn? said:

A Josh Kelly/Isaac Smith type would be my first priority.

A Ben Brown/Peter Wright type would be my second priority.

Then I'd like another Jeff Garlett or two. 

Agree with you and I would add a Steven May type, though he will stay with the Suns I would think.

Would be interesting to see how the FD see it.

[In Harmes Way 7,477]

The fact that I'm actually struggling to think of anyone shows we're definitely on the up! Not like 3-4 years ago where we'd be singing midfielders, midfielders, anyone talented who barracked for the dees as a kid etc.

That said, just topping up on 1x A grade midfield quality would be good (Ollie Wines?), 1xKPF/ruck as backup would fit the bill nicely.

[Deeoldfart 7,709]

We have plenty of medium HBs.  I'd therefore look to develop Joel Smith as a big bodied mid starting from now, and over next pre-season.  Then let Jason Taylor and Todd Viney to do some more magic with the draft.  A pacy / classy mid should be high on the agenda.

[deelete my account 1,194]

3 hours ago, Wrecker45 said:

Do Hawthorn have anyone coming into free agency? We should poach them and bring them to a club going places.

James Frawley?

[poita 3,571]

I don't see a massive shortcoming anywhere, but we do need greater depth across the board. There is very little at Casey to get excited about, at least in the short term.

Another couple of quality midfielders would be top of my list. Then another tall forward and a ready made ruckman. 

 

[Dwight Schrute 16,712]

Probably a touch of outside class would help. 

Josh kelly is the obvious one who'd be a perfect fit 

I am okay with key back stocks but I think lever is to good not to go after 

maybe ruck depth 

[george_on_the_outer 6,940]

21 hours ago, deebug said:

Any one Todd Viney and Jason Taylor want.

ain't that the truth.  Originally, I don't know what they saw in players like Hunt, Wagner, Omac and an overweight red-headed kid playing in the Murray leagues.  Today we all know exactly

And if you look at the team playing on the weekend:

Tyson, Frost, Pedersen, Vince, Lewis, Hibberd, Melksham, Garlett, Hannan and Bugg have all come from other teams.   10 players out of 22, that we have chased and traded to get to our club. 

Todd and Jason know exactly what they are doing and what we need.  Leave it to the experts, because we surely are not.

[Chook 14,388]

2 minutes ago, george_on_the_outer said:

ain't that the truth.  Originally, I don't know what they saw in players like Hunt, Wagner, Omac and an overweight red-headed kid playing in the Murray leagues.  Today we all know exactly

And if you look at the team playing on the weekend:

Tyson, Frost, Pedersen, Vince, Lewis, Hibberd, Melksham, Garlett, Hannan and Bugg have all come from other teams.   10 players out of 22, that we have chased and traded to get to our club. 

Todd and Jason know exactly what they are doing and what we need.  Leave it to the experts, because we surely are not.

Do we thank Neeldy for Pedersen though? #Pedoqueries

[whatwhat say what 18,743]

in an ideal world we could benefit from:

- an inside-outside star in the making would be fantastic (e.g. a josh kelly, andrew gaff, luke shuey type)

- someone who can be a goalkicking threat up forward but also take part in ruck contests (e.g. sort of like peter wright)

- a line-breaker with outstanding delivery skill to leading forwards (e.g. neck tatts)

 

it'll be very interesting to see what we do. #trustintodd&taylor