Bye Round 11 - Non MFC Games

[monoccular 16,041]

3 hours ago, Adzman said:

Agree. Richmond are just a turd rolled in glitter right now. Our best Vs our is should be a no contest.

Essendon won't make it. They are as overrated as anyone in the AFL right now. Saints have shown glimpses just like us, and should push for a spot in the 8.

Trouble is, so far, our best is only 1-2 quarters a game.

There is a huge difference between "should be" and "is"!  Until that is addressed by the playing group we will remain marginal.

[Sir Why You Little 34,430]

2 minutes ago, monoccular said:

Trouble is, so far, our best is only 1-2 quarters a game.

There is a huge difference between "should be" and "is"!  Until that is addressed by the playing group we will remain marginal.

Well said. Getting tired of potential

i want the real thing...

[What 18,810]

29 minutes ago, A F said:

Didn’t you say the complete opposite yesterday?

Nope

[hemingway 7,589]

3 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

They only beat us because we were down two players including our ruckman.

This is the most even season in living memory, Richmond aren't as good as their position suggestions and Sydney aren't as bad.

Okay fair enough, just think they should be given credit for their performance thus far, given the predictions at season start.

[John Crow Batty 8,242]

20 minutes ago, monoccular said:

Trouble is, so far, our best is only 1-2 quarters a game.

There is a huge difference between "should be" and "is"!  Until that is addressed by the playing group we will remain marginal.

And letting poor sides to take the initiative and relying on 'the fight back' all the time. Also not being able to close out tight finishes.

Edited June 4, 2017 by america de cali

[whatwhat say what 18,874]

tbh i don't mind richmond's season thus far.

they've got an excellent tall defender and forward in rance and riewoldt and surrounded them with a rotation of likely types - be it talls who are lock-downs (astbury, grimes) or runners (houli, ellis, mcintosh) in defense or a plethora of exciting smalls up forward (castagna, butler, rioli and now bolton).

their midfield has been completely rejuvenated by the addition of nankervis, prestia and caddy alongside the star quality of cotchin and martin plus workmanlike approach of grigg, lambert and titch edwards.

they're playing a good brand of footy and have not only lost one game by more than a goal, and have won enough games to be top 4 at the halfway mark of the season.

it's an enviable position to be in.

[Young Blood 1,984]

28 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Well said. Getting tired of potential

i want the real thing...

Sounds like you might need a time machine. Hit something like the two years time setting.

Edited June 4, 2017 by mongrel

[Gator 16,891]

Richmond are just another rubbish side. 

There are no standouts.

Equalisation has worked. 

This is why any team who makes the finals has a chance (because of the pre-finals bye).

[Sir Why You Little 34,430]

3 minutes ago, mongrel said:

Sounds like you might need a time machine. Hit something like the two years time setting.

Has been said for the last decade actually....

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Richmond's key players are mature, which is why they are playing decent football at the moment.

If they weren't they would be entering a disaster zone.

Reiwoldt is 29, Rance 27, Cotchin 27, Grigg 29, Houli 29 Martin 25.

Look at some of ours: Hogan 22, Oliver 19, Viney 23, Tyson 23, Hunt 22, Salem 21

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18 minutes ago, Is Dom Is Good said:

Richmond's key players are mature, which is why they are playing decent football at the moment.

If they weren't they would be entering a disaster zone.

Reiwoldt is 29, Rance 27, Cotchin 27, Grigg 29, Houli 29 Martin 25.

Look at some of ours: Hogan 22, Oliver 19, Viney 23, Tyson 23, Hunt 22, Salem 21

i actually don't think they're that different to us at all:

riewoldt = a mature hogan

rance - t mac plus 2 years

cotchin = jones minus 2 years

grigg = vince minus 2 years

houli = lewis minus 2 years

martin = a mature petracca

people are doing a serious disservice to summarily dismiss them; winning footy is good footy

we definitely have a bit of advantage in oliver and hunt being on the younger end of the spectrum, but it's not as pronounced as i think we'd like to think

they're in the same position we are i reckon - the teams sort of pushing to finish high-ish in the ruck of teams that are sort of 5-15

Edited June 4, 2017 by DemonAndrew

[Ash35 425]

Richmond are going ok.

I reckon there are about 5 or 6 sides around the same mark, but Richmond seem to be a level above.

Melbourne, St Kilda, Essendon, Fremantle, even Collingwood are all pretty much the same, good enough if they have a day out to beat anyone (eg Melb beat Crows, Essendon beat Geelong, Saints vs GWS) but far too inconsistent and to be honest, just not good enough to challenge for top 6. All drop games they shouldn't.

Fremantle have managed to string some wins together, but I'm not sure they have the cattle to consistently compete against the best in the comp.

Whoever fills that 8th spot will probably do it on the back of a nice draw and less injuries than the rest of the chasing pack. 

 

 

 

[beelzebub 22,225]

48 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Richmond are just another rubbish side. 

There are no standouts.

Equalisation has worked. 

This is why any team who makes the finals has a chance (because of the pre-finals bye).

If they're rubbish...what are we ?

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21 minutes ago, DemonAndrew said:

i actually don't think they're that different to us at all:

riewoldt = a mature hogan

rance - t mac plus 2 years

cotchin = jones minus 2 years

grigg = vince minus 2 years

houli = lewis minus 2 years

martin = a mature petracca

people are doing a serious disservice to summarily dismiss them; winning footy is good footy

we definitely have a bit of advantage in oliver and hunt being on the younger end of the spectrum, but it's not as pronounced as i think we'd like to think

they're in the same position we are i reckon - the teams sort of pushing to finish high-ish in the ruck of teams that are sort of 5-15

They are playing well at the moment but they are a much more mature side than us.

Plus they have had zero injury issues this year which helps.

If we can scrape into the finals I hope we get them first up, I am very confident we would destroy them.

[Binmans PA 25,955]

1 hour ago, Petraccattack said:

Nope

Fair enough.

[Stingray 157]

Not sure what I want out of today's freeo vs the Filth contest - upside of a Dockers loss will be making sure we're right behind them with a much better percentage but the big downside will be a collywobbles team on 20 points with some increasing confidence. I think they are much more of a concern than either of the WA teams. I think no matter what, Fremantle are pretty rubbish and will fall out the 8 by years end (like west coast will too). So having a charged up filth with tails up for second half the year my not be the best outcome for us or the saints. Might be better to see them keep losing.

Either way - it's not a huge game that will effect our season and we just need to keep winning and not worry about everyone else - but just an interesting internal battle about today's outcome. 

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

43 minutes ago, DemonAndrew said:

i actually don't think they're that different to us at all:

riewoldt = a mature hogan

rance - t mac plus 2 years

cotchin = jones minus 2 years

grigg = vince minus 2 years

houli = lewis minus 2 years

martin = a mature petracca

people are doing a serious disservice to summarily dismiss them; winning footy is good footy

we definitely have a bit of advantage in oliver and hunt being on the younger end of the spectrum, but it's not as pronounced as i think we'd like to think

they're in the same position we are i reckon - the teams sort of pushing to finish high-ish in the ruck of teams that are sort of 5-15

All fair enough, except no way is Houli and Lewis even remotely in the same boat. Lewis is a leader, Houli is not.

[whatwhat say what 18,874]

yes, well, houli is yet to get suspended for three weeks for punching a bloke behind play...so...

lewis is a far superior player to houli but their roles are vaguely similar - read the play behind the ball, marshall the troops, execute rebound

[Gator 16,891]

Richmond are no better than Melbourne.   We beat them round 6 if we don't lose our ruck and another player before half time.

How would Richmond have gone without a number one ruck and Jack Riewoldt for 75% of the season ?  How do they go with Elton rucking and no key forward ?

And what, they were one win ahead of us at round 10 with a worse percentage ?

They've won less quarters than us for the year.  I don't get the fawning over them. 

[Binmans PA 25,955]

Luck has run Richmond's way all season. The perfect example was our game against them. Our two injuries before half time. Cotchin starting a fight, getting a free kick as Riewoldt illegally joins in on the fight from the bench. 

It's rare luck goes your way all year. I still don't rate Richmond. Like Geelong, they rely on too few. Their better players are also those that always fail under pressure (see any finals they've ever played in).

Edited June 4, 2017 by A F

[beelzebub 22,225]

I dont think anyone's fawning over Richmond. All many are suggesting is they be awarded begrudgingly acknowledgement that they aren't the basketcases many would still describe them.

Winning qtrs as a stat alone is vacuous. 

Winning games strangely isnt.

They wont be ninth. We might be.

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

28 minutes ago, DemonAndrew said:

yes, well, houli is yet to get suspended for three weeks for punching a bloke behind play...so...

lewis is a far superior player to houli but their roles are vaguely similar - read the play behind the ball, marshall the troops, execute rebound

Ha! he was suspended because of the Carlton doctors report, the guy played the next week.....long bow.

[whatwhat say what 18,874]

no, i'm not buying that.

he was suspended for deliberately hitting a player behind play with enough force to give said player a hairline fracture of the jaw.

the medical report didn't help but he was always going to be suspended cos it was a stupid, thuggish, ill-disciplined act by a supposed leader who should know better.

and it will, in all likelihood, have cost us two vital wins that could be the difference btw finishing 9-12 and 5-8.

[daisycutter 28,484]

6 minutes ago, DemonAndrew said:

no, i'm not buying that.

he was suspended for deliberately hitting a player behind play with enough force to give said player a hairline fracture of the jaw.

the medical report didn't help but he was always going to be suspended cos it was a stupid, thuggish, ill-disciplined act by a supposed leader who should know better.

and it will, in all likelihood, have cost us two vital wins that could be the difference btw finishing 9-12 and 5-8.

strange that there has been no reporting (that i've seen) since that week of cripp's fractured jaw.   being one of their best players this is quite odd.   just saying.

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

22 minutes ago, DemonAndrew said:

no, i'm not buying that.

he was suspended for deliberately hitting a player behind play with enough force to give said player a hairline fracture of the jaw.

the medical report didn't help but he was always going to be suspended cos it was a stupid, thuggish, ill-disciplined act by a supposed leader who should know better.

and it will, in all likelihood, have cost us two vital wins that could be the difference btw finishing 9-12 and 5-8.

So you'd trade him for Huoli then?