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1st- Nev at 86.4%

2nd- Ocsar at 84.3%

3rd- Oliver at 81.9%

4th- Stretch at 80.7%

5th- Frost at 78%

 

 

Very interesting to see demons whipping boy 2nd, yes he handballs and chip kicks a lot but the % is still elite, he has 1 bad turnover which makes it seem like he's had 7. 

Frosty, what a gun.. Has improved his kicking and decision making. 

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2 hours ago, Bobby Clark said:

Very interesting to see demons whipping boy 2nd, yes he handballs and chip kicks a lot but the % is still elite, he has 1 bad turnover which makes it seem like he's had 7.

TO be fair to posters ripping into him, handballing to a man who gets gang tackled is still an effective disposal.

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2 hours ago, Vandenberger With The Lot said:

TO be fair to posters ripping into him, handballing to a man who gets gang tackled is still an effective disposal.

This.

If he gives a quick handball to a marked player, (which he does too often) that counts toward this efficiency rating.

Meanwhile, the player who recieves the ball is immediately under enormous pressure which reflects poorly on him if he can't dispose of the ball effectively. 

They are both mind-bogglingly stupid threads. That is one of many examples of how ridiculous isolated stats can be. 

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Oscar's disposal efficiently may be elite, but the effectiveness of those disposals is often poor. And he is still very underdone physically.

Having said that, I see him being an important part of our backline for years to come. The coaching staff are doing a great job with him IMO, his progress can't be ignored.

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Tall defenders and their disposal efficiency is one of the most irrelevant stats there is.  9 times out of 10 they are chipping backwards or across the ground under little to no pressure.  It's no surprise their efficiency is that good.  Their disposals rarely happen in the heat of battle like a midfielders would.

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2 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Tall defenders and their disposal efficiency is one of the most irrelevant stats there is.  9 times out of 10 they are chipping backwards or across the ground under little to no pressure.  It's no surprise their efficiency is that good.  Their disposals rarely happen in the heat of battle like a midfielders would.

100% this. Full backs and defenders that switch the ball across the ground under no pressure have the highest disposal efficiency. I know I'd prefer the ball in the hands of Jordan Lewis than Oscar or Frosty if I wanted an effective kick going forward.

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3 hours ago, Bobby Clark said:

1st- Nev at 86.4%

2nd- Ocsar at 84.3%

3rd- Oliver at 81.9%

4th- Stretch at 80.7%

5th- Frost at 78%

Very interesting to see demons whipping boy 2nd, yes he handballs and chip kicks a lot but the % is still elite, he has 1 bad turnover which makes it seem like he's had 7. 

Frosty, what a gun.. Has improved his kicking and decision making. 

We all know DE stats are next to useless. Context is everything.

Having said that it's not his DE that's the knock. Its his physicality or lack of it, his decision making and his intensity that is the problem. He is like a rabbit in the headlights and has a turning circle worse than the Queen Mary. One on one he is a disaster which is why teams try to isolate him all the time.

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4 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

We all know DE stats are next to useless. Context is everything.

Having said that it's not his DE that's the knock. Its his physicality or lack of it, his decision making and his intensity that is the problem. He is like a rabbit in the headlights and has a turning circle worse than the Queen Mary. One on one he is a disaster which is why teams try to isolate him all the time.

Its a wonder he gets picked isn't it. How much do those coaches get paid?

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4 hours ago, Bobby Clark said:

1st- Nev at 86.4%

2nd- Ocsar at 84.3%

3rd- Oliver at 81.9%

4th- Stretch at 80.7%

5th- Frost at 78%

For a player who gets so many possessions Oliver DE is awesome! 

No wonder he is leading or in the top 5 of so many media/coaches voting.

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19 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

For a player who gets so many possessions Oliver DE is awesome! 

No wonder he is leading or in the top 5 of so many media/coaches voting.

Any player in the AFL that handballs the ball 75% of the time would have high DE.

On Oscar, he kicks the ball OK just gets caught out of position to often and as soon as it is a contested ball one on one he is beaten, over time as his strength builds this should be less but his brother is also no good body on body

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23 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

For a player who gets so many possessions Oliver DE is awesome! 

No wonder he is leading or in the top 5 of so many media/coaches voting.

But he makes so many clangers!  He should be in the bottom 5 of voting.

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So did we dodge a bullet with Prestia going to the Toiges? Reportedly on 600-700k and goin at 61% DE. Add the fact that Dusty is going at 59% for the year how much does this stat mean? 

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I don't think I've ever seen Oscar kick the pill further than a 30m pass. The other thing he ever does is handball to a designated kicker.

Has he ever taken a risky long kick?

 

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46 minutes ago, deeko said:

I don't think I've ever seen Oscar kick the pill further than a 30m pass. The other thing he ever does is handball to a designated kicker.

Has he ever taken a risky long kick?

 

Yes. You just can't pick it up on the television due to the frame-rate.

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6 hours ago, Bobby Clark said:

1st- Nev at 86.4%

2nd- Ocsar at 84.3%

3rd- Oliver at 81.9%

4th- Stretch at 80.7%

5th- Frost at 78%

 

 

Very interesting to see demons whipping boy 2nd, yes he handballs and chip kicks a lot but the % is still elite, he has 1 bad turnover which makes it seem like he's had 7. 

Frosty, what a gun.. Has improved his kicking and decision making. 

We all know the DE stat can be misleading, but it's kind of incredible a guy who plays under the most heat on the ground is going at 81.9%. What a star.

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2 hours ago, deeko said:

I don't think I've ever seen Oscar kick the pill further than a 30m pass. The other thing he ever does is handball to a designated kicker.

Has he ever taken a risky long kick?

 

This. The Mac brothers can't win here - TMac mercilessly pulled apart on DL for his turnovers (including by myself occasionally, I must add) and OMac still learning his craft on bigger bodies. The amount of posts I've read suggesting TMac should just handpass to Hibbo/Lewis for better quality disposals from D50 and focus on intercept marking.....

I was really pleased with OMac's efforts at the game on the weekend, he's really coming along which we need as a footy club if we're to be a serious premiership threat in the next couple of years. He is becoming much calmer with ball in hand, and not so much a deer in the headlights, which this stat seems to back up. 

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Using DE stats for defenders especially is a useless exercise. However using the eye test, O Mac is (or at least will be) a better kick than his brother. I think we're seeing as good as it's ever going to get with T Mac. I see more upside with O Mac in that facet of his game.

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