Vince offered fine for "clash" with umpire

[PaulRB 5,919]

Pay the fine and move on. 

Bigger fish to fry.

[The heart beats true 16,105]

Sorry, but how the actual f*#k does Cotchin get to punch a bloke in the face and get a fine?

Oh, he wasn't looking at him so it wasn't intentional. Right.

What a joke.

[Dockett 32 1,213]

21 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

Sorry, but how the actual f*#k does Cotchin get to punch a bloke in the face and get a fine?

Oh, he wasn't looking at him so it wasn't intentional. Right.

What a joke.

Freo are now untouchable returning the favour, but if you want to slow someone right up, you now have the green light.

Pretty stupid and weak decision by the MRP letting Cotchin off like this. If it was Bernie, cant help thinking it would have been a different result,

[monoccular 16,042]

 

4 hours ago, Rogue said:

Haven't seen the Guthrie incident, but MRP inconsistency is hardly surprising. The umpires can and will move backwards in that way all day, every day.

I didn't notice that in the live vision (my memory is that the collision is quite a while after he and Sloane are side by side), but maybe you're right - if so, stiff. Anyone have a link to the replay?

 

3 hours ago, Abe said:

Lol! Surely gotta challenge that! 

This is official proof the mrp is a lottery with no method or logic 

 

35 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

Sorry, but how the actual f*#k does Cotchin get to punch a bloke in the face and get a fine?

Oh, he wasn't looking at him so it wasn't intentional. Right.

What a joke.

MRP are just plain corrupt, or if being charitable just plain incompetent... no doubt.

Franklin late hit was ok because it was an open hand but Hogan's was 2 weeks for a first "offence".  And Cotchin is clear because .....???

[Bitter but optimistic 21,235]

3 hours ago, mo64 said:

Just saw the Guthrie incident. Umpire Schmidt should be fined or suspended for being in the wrong position. If Guthrie didn't push him, Schmidt would have impeded an easy mark. Common sense prevailed, which is a rarity for the MRP.

And Vince wasn't pushed into the umpire by Sloane. Vince actually gave Sloane a smack in the chops when the ball was bounced, and lost his way. The fine was appropriate.

Agree. When I saw the incident live I thought Bernie was in trouble. Cop the fine and move on.

[Deemented Are Go! 3,602]

I take it Rioli didn't get cited for his nasty knee in the back to the Brisbane fella? Just saw the footage again - it's pretty ordinary, I reckon a week for that. And all we hear about is his injury. Protected species...

[waynewussell 4,088]

The whole, theatrical umpire signal that he/she will be backing out directly behind himself at a bounce/ball up is a modern invention. To think that umpires were bouncing the ball for over a century without any punishment for those that were actually playing the game!

[Deestroy All 14,261]

Worth every penny.

[dpositive 1,547]

I reckon it was a pure accident 

hardly noticed at the time on the ground by any of us or Crows  supporters 

BUT

it was amazing how the umpier assisted goals dried up for the Crows after that incident 

 

[Pates 9,536]

I'm not fussed by it, he was in the area the umpires back into. It wasn't intended but it happened in his duties of keeping a blanket on Sloan. 

Worth it. 

I'm more a little grumpy the Cotchin is allowed to punch someone much the same way Jesse did and yet he gets a fine and Jesse gets two weeks. We got totally screwed with his. 

[Bay Riffin 1,413]

1 hour ago, Pates said:

I'm not fussed by it, he was in the area the umpires back into. It wasn't intended but it happened in his duties of keeping a blanket on Sloan. 

Worth it. 

I'm more a little grumpy the Cotchin is allowed to punch someone much the same way Jesse did and yet he gets a fine and Jesse gets two weeks. We got totally screwed with his. 

Jesse deserved it as did Cotchin

[Ethan Tremblay 28,358]

3 hours ago, Pates said:

I'm not fussed by it, he was in the area the umpires back into. It wasn't intended but it happened in his duties of keeping a blanket on Sloan. 

Worth it. 

I'm more a little grumpy the Cotchin is allowed to punch someone much the same way Jesse did and yet he gets a fine and Jesse gets two weeks. We got totally screwed with his. 

I don't get how you can get away with punching someone to the face or head just because you have a hold of their jumper. 

What's stopping a player then from holding the bottom of their opponents jumper and punching him in the nuts? 

My understanding of a jumper punch is that it's when you grab your opponents jumper and push them with a punching motion. 

Edited May 16, 2017 by Ethan Tremblay

[dieter 3,325]

5 hours ago, Bay Riffin said:

Jesse deserved it as did Cotchin

The point we're making. Mr Bay, is that Hogan got two weeks, Crotchin SFA. How comes it that this can be so?

[Pates 9,536]

7 hours ago, Bay Riffin said:

Jesse deserved it as did Cotchin

I feel Jesse deserved a week for his as did Cotchin, not the completely opposite rulings that have happened. 

[Willmoy1947 3,769]

I reckon the umpire in question deserved a free kick and fifty metres. He got the fifty metres,being escorted fifty off the ground,and will be right next week, but i didn't see the free kick??

On a more serious note, i am getting sick and tired of the number of drinkers, runners, (bludgers), crowd, Kevin Sheedy and all and sundry,etc, on the ground. Whose fault is it if the umpires runs into them?

[RalphiusMaximus 5,993]

On 15/05/2017 at 7:41 PM, pineapple dee said:

If the AFL really believe that a player intentionally makes contact with an umpire, the player should be banned for life. No player would ever intentionally make contact with an umpire ( with the possible exceptions of John Bourke of Collingwood and Phil Carman of Collingwood)  The accidental contact between the umpire on Saturday and Bernie was a shame but not deserving of a sanction. How often are umpires obstructing and baulking players in their legitimate attempts to play the game. The umpires are responsible for 90% of collisions between players and umpires.

 

21 hours ago, waynewussell said:

The whole, theatrical umpire signal that he/she will be backing out directly behind himself at a bounce/ball up is a modern invention. To think that umpires were bouncing the ball for over a century without any punishment for those that were actually playing the game!

Once upon a time Umpires were expected to be aware of what was going on around them.  I would think that this should be a minimum requirement to umpire a game, given that their entire job is to know what's happening in their immediate area and judge whether it's within the rules. 

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 5,794]

21 hours ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

Agree. When I saw the incident live I thought Bernie was in trouble. Cop the fine and move on.

Same , immediately thought he was gone while on center wing at Adel oval.

[Mazer Rackham 14,969]

Just now, RalphiusMaximus said:

Once upon a time Umpires were expected to be aware of what was going on around them.  I would think that this should be a minimum requirement to umpire a game, given that their entire job is to know what's happening in their immediate area and judge whether it's within the rules. 

That was in the days when there weren't 36 players at a time inside the 50 arc. Hard for the umps to have eyes in the back of their heads; equally unfair to fine accidental contact and let off a deliberate shove.

Let both incidents go or fine both. The way it's unfolded is a fair dinkum joke.

[Mazer Rackham 14,969]

45 minutes ago, willmoy said:

On a more serious note, i am getting sick and tired of the number of drinkers, runners, (bludgers), crowd, Kevin Sheedy and all and sundry,etc, on the ground. Whose fault is it if the umpires runs into them?

It's okay. Just wait for the biennial crackdown on runners, etc, on the ground. The AFL are strict and harsh!

Then wait another two weeks for it to go right back to what it was before.

[RalphiusMaximus 5,993]

Just now, Ted Fidge said:

That was in the days when there weren't 36 players at a time inside the 50 arc. Hard for the umps to have eyes in the back of their heads; equally unfair to fine accidental contact and let off a deliberate shove.

Let both incidents go or fine both. The way it's unfolded is a fair dinkum joke.

When I think about this, the thing I always remember is the ump realising he was in the path of a Plugger lead and dropping flat.  He didn't have to look around, he just saw the ball coming from the front and knew what was behind him.  THAT was great situational awareness. 

The AFL claim that their umpires today are the best trained they have ever been.  They aren't even close. 

[sue 8,418]

On 16/05/2017 at 8:26 PM, Win4theages said:

Same , immediately thought he was gone while on center wing at Adel oval.

I have read these posts without having seen the replay till now and was prepared to believe it was Bernie's fault.  But I just saw it and how you can ignore the fact that Sloane spun Bernie around into the umpire is beyond me.  Beyond the MRP too it seems. Wasn't particularly forceful but I can't see how he could have avoided contact.  The commentators also thought that.  Once again the MRP's penalties are more related to the effect than the actual act.  Anyway, pay $1000 and chuckle.

Edited May 17, 2017 by sue

[Jumping Jack Clennett 1,610]

I liked the way Bernie, when he realised the Ump was making a big deal of it, suddenly realised it might mitigate the penalty if he  was hurt too. The result? A slightly delayed reaction simulating a mild head injury. Didn't work, unfortunately.

I reckon the Ump did nothing to dispel the  feeling that the umps are a bit spineless by the sooky way he reacted. He could have continued on.....but I'm glad he didn't.

 

[steve_f 40]

The MRP are buffoons.  Sorry guys but someone had to say it.  I thought Guthrie would be properly crucified and Vince would get weeks to reinforce the lesson.  But it turned out OK.  Who will be first to jumper-punch the umpy .. hhmm?

[RalphiusMaximus 5,993]

9 minutes ago, steve_f said:

The MRP are buffoons.  Sorry guys but someone had to say it.  I thought Guthrie would be properly crucified and Vince would get weeks to reinforce the lesson.  But it turned out OK.  Who will be first to jumper-punch the umpy .. hhmm?

I don't know about a jumper punch, but I'd love to see a knee to the back of the head as someone takes a ride for the big mark. 

[Mazer Rackham 14,969]

30 minutes ago, steve_f said:

The MRP are buffoons.  Sorry guys but someone had to say it.  I thought Guthrie would be properly crucified and Vince would get weeks to reinforce the lesson.  But it turned out OK.  Who will be first to jumper-punch the umpy .. hhmm?

No.

No.

I won't have it.

They are not buffoons.

They are fools and clowns.

Big difference.