Zak Jones

[Demons11 6,404]

11 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Jack Niall reported our interest a few days ago.

Caroline Wilson reported that Zak is earning under the AFL 'median' pay which is the range of $230k to $250k.  Yes, I was shocked at how low it is but she is rarely wrong with her info

Sydney lost Tom Mitchell because their offer was around $350k.  They will need to do a lot better than that to keep Zak.  One thing in their favour is that the new CBA tips $2m into their salary cap next year and the Buddy contract does not have escalation clauses - his contracted annual amounts are fixed. 

But if Zak wants to come to Melbourne we can beat any $ Sydney offer without breaching the faith with our players or abandoning the club's mantra of not paying 'overs'.

Zak really fits our 'run and carry' game style and is as tough as so would be rapt to see him in our colours. 

Mitchell was offered a lot more than 350

[Lucifers Hero 36,973]

7 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

Mitchell was offered a lot more than 350

Do you know that as a fact.  The media report I saw around trade time said the Sydney offer was around $350k - they couldn't afford anymore because of salary cap pressure.

If a fact I will go back and amend my post.

Edited May 26, 2017 by Lucifer's Hero

[monoccular 15,989]

On 24/05/2017 at 3:35 AM, brendan said:

Would cost us this year or next years 1st rounder, I would push for next years as we should finish higher 

I don't think he is worth anything near first round pick......but as with most players, if the price is right and he fits our needs then certainly worthy of a sniff.   Would be negligent not to asses fully. 

[Maldonboy38 5,807]

Zak Jones seemed to be a really good player on another team, but not one I had any interest in apart from being related to Nathan. But this year he has produced some real dash, and his kicking is on a quick improvement path. Considering we keep rotating ANB, Harmes, Kent, Stretch, etc.... in and out on form, I reckon he is ahead of this lot so could be in our starting 22. 

 

[brendan 3,380]

28 minutes ago, monoccular said:

I don't think he is worth anything near first round pick......but as with most players, if the price is right and he fits our needs then certainly worthy of a sniff.   Would be negligent not to asses fully. 

What do you think he is worth? Was pick 15 and playing pretty well now, latest reports saying he is staying at swans so probably won't matter too much, I would say if he is anything like his brother I would suggest he would be pretty loyal and stay at Sydney 

[Ethan Tremblay 28,281]

I think Zak's value is being overrated on here because he's Nathan's brother. He shows glimpses with some run and dash, I don't think he's worth anymore than the pick he was drafted at. 

Edited May 26, 2017 by Ethan Tremblay

[Cards13 9,117]

8 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I think Zak's value is being overrated on here because he's Nathan's brother. He shows glimpses with some run and dash, I don't think he's worth anymore than the pick he was drafted at. 

That passage with 4 mins to go in 2nd qtr just then is Z Jones. Looks great streaming away with the ball, gets over excited can't steady and misses an easy goal with no pressure. 

[daisycutter 28,429]

15 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

That passage with 4 mins to go in 2nd qtr just then is Z Jones. Looks great streaming away with the ball, gets over excited can't steady and misses an easy goal with no pressure. 

it happens, let's see how he goes for the rest of the game

[Gator 16,888]

He had to nail that goal.  I too think he lacks a little bit of class.

But he's a solid player.  

Not sure he'd make much of a difference to our team.

Good point about Nathan's age @Wiseblood  If Zac doesn't come at the end of this year he may not get another chance to play with his Brother.

[old55 21,204]

Just a very ordinary player.

[dee-tox 4,769]

11 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

Just a very ordinary player.

Really? Your definition of ordinary is ordinary. Equal best ranked player for the Swans at the moment. Goes hard, great tackler and a line breaker.

 

[Willmoy1947 3,758]

As we know a lot of deals are "over the line" well before the end of season, 'a la" Hawks recent recruits. That said i think Mitchell was let go for same reason as  below and i also think that Jones is a late bloomer like his bro, and better for us than any of Port's current bigheads like Ollie.... 

36 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

That passage with 4 mins to go in 2nd qtr just then is Z Jones. Looks great streaming awa y with the ball, gets over excited can't steady and misses an easy goal with no pressure. 

 

[Wiseblood 24,636]

He had a great third term, kicked a goal and set up another.  18 touches and 7 tackles to this point.  What he seems to have improved is in his ball winning ability without having to sacrifice his ability to impact a contest.  He is both an inside and outside player.

[Moonshadow 16,099]

2 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I think Zak's value is being overrated on here because he's Nathan's brother. He shows glimpses with some run and dash, I don't think he's worth anymore than the pick he was drafted at. 

That would be a first round pick Ethan 

[Ethan Tremblay 28,281]

22 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

That would be a first round pick Ethan 

More so the specific pick rather than the round. I wouldn't be trading our first rounder for him at the end of this season.

Edited May 26, 2017 by Ethan Tremblay

[mattjm 151]

he would be best 22. in fact 15 at this point in time.

deal with it both sides.

gary kirsten private moses. he doesn't live here anymore 

[DV8 2,271]

5 hours ago, Maldonboy38 said:

Zak Jones seemed to be a really good player on another team, but not one I had any interest in apart from being related to Nathan. But this year he has produced some real dash, and his kicking is on a quick improvement path. Considering we keep rotating ANB, Harmes, Kent, Stretch, etc.... in and out on form, I reckon he is ahead of this lot so could be in our starting 22. 

 

I wonder if he is about the same value as Watts would be?

[Lucifers Hero 36,973]

12 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

And that's the crux of the issue - does he really want to move, or can Sydney do enough to keep him?  With the extra $$$ in their salary cap you could argue that they will be able to table a pretty good offer, but if we can match it and he wants to play for a few years with his brother then we are in the box seat.

Sorry for the lazy link post as well, felt like I was letting the team down as you go to great lengths to pull quotes out and all I did was dump it here.  Wasn't much to the article though!

No problem Wise.  At least you gave us a summary of the article.  I only find it frustrating when someone posts a link and gives no idea as to what it is about.  

[Stretch Johnson 2,568]

I don't care who his brother is.

He is one of the more impressive young players getting around at the moment.

Absolutely worth a first round pick and very healthy renumeration.

Would be one of the first picked in any team.

Edited May 26, 2017 by Stretch Johnson

[danielE288 576]

He's a good player. Would def take.

[McQueen 17,862]

37 minutes ago, Stretch Johnson said:

I don't care who his brother is.

He is one of the more impressive young players getting around at the moment.

Absolutely worth a first round pick and very healthy remuneration.

Would be one of the first picked in any team.

I tend to agree.

He did quite a few mature things in last nights game - one in particular was when he set up a crucial goal in the last qtr with a great well-timed handball in heavy traffic.

We've got fringe players in the way of Harmes, ANB, JKH, Bugg, Hannan, Wagner, Melksham and a couple of others rotating through the 22 at the moment. I understand this is how depth works and pressure on the 22 is kept up but I'd rather a player like Zak Jones in the team full time because he's got all of the tricks the aforementioned group have all bundled up in one.

[GCDee 3,004]

I played a few games with Zak in the under 18s at Mount Eliza (I was a year older but he was playing up a grade or two)

And his attack on the ball at that age was ferocious... to the point where me 6 foot 2 and 100 kgs didn't want to get in his path and I was on the same team!

Made of the right stuff and would slot straight in. Would deffiantly be worth our first round this year... approx pick 10... which ironically is what Nathan was drafted at wasn't it?

[Ethan Tremblay 28,281]

16 minutes ago, GCDee said:

I played a few games with Zak in the under 18s at Mount Eliza (I was a year older but he was playing up a grade or two)

And his attack on the ball at that age was ferocious... to the point where me 6 foot 2 and 100 kgs didn't want to get in his path and I was on the same team!

Made of the right stuff and would slot straight in. Would deffiantly be worth our first round this year... approx pick 10... which ironically is what Nathan was drafted at wasn't it?

Pick 12.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

We are the third or fourth worst ball-movement side in the AFL.

Jones has many admirable attributes but ball use at this stage isn't one.

There's no way in the world the club would give a first rounder for him. That's a Richmond-like move.

I'm far more interested in players who will boost our ball use through the midfield. Run and carry is all well and good if it ends up in a scoring opportunity. I mean, Hunt's ability to break lines is great but he still butchers it or struggles to finish his work when he fails to kick to the advantage of our forwards. He is inconsistent with his finishing. And Jones is in that category. 

We need a serious injection of skill and class through our midfield imo and there are others we should be targeting for that reason.

 

Edited May 27, 2017 by stevethemanjordan

[Lord Travis 10,135]

13 hours ago, Cards13 said:

That passage with 4 mins to go in 2nd qtr just then is Z Jones. Looks great streaming away with the ball, gets over excited can't steady and misses an easy goal with no pressure. 

Did you just describe Zac Jones or Jayden Hunt?