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I don't see his decision making as the problem. Yes, he hangs on to the ball too long sometimes but he is usually looking for the best option. When he is in heavy traffic this often works to our advantage. His biggest weakness imo, is his kicking. It's rare to see a left footer with such an inaccurate, floaty trajectory. When commentators say he is a good kick it drives me mad. We as supporters know that he isn't. If he could work on this it would take him from a good inside ball winner to a really potent mid. Most people know how difficult it is to correct your basic kicking technique. This is something you evolve from childhood, but there have been some who made major adjustments to their technique. These changes are usually made to set shot goal kicking approaches though, not field-kicking under pressure. Maybe he needs to do what Nev has done. Kick within his limits. Nev is a great user but doesn't try to kick more than about 40 metres. He rarely wastes a kick. The coaching staff should be hammering Tyson about this. He is potentially a great asset but will end up as a marginal player if he doesn't rectify this. Roos seemed to know what his strengths were and played him accordingly. He ain't no outside player. He does however, have the ability to be at the fall of the ball repeatedly.

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7 minutes ago, btdemon said:

I don't see his decision making as the problem. Yes, he hangs on to the ball too long sometimes but he is usually looking for the best option. When he is in heavy traffic this often works to our advantage. His biggest weakness imo, is his kicking. It's rare to see a left footer with such an inaccurate, floaty trajectory. When commentators say he is a good kick it drives me mad. We as supporters know that he isn't. If he could work on this it would take him from a good inside ball winner to a really potent mid. Most people know how difficult it is to correct your basic kicking technique. This is something you evolve from childhood, but there have been some who made major adjustments to their technique. These changes are usually made to set shot goal kicking approaches though, not field-kicking under pressure. Maybe he needs to do what Nev has done. Kick within his limits. Nev is a great user but doesn't try to kick more than about 40 metres. He rarely wastes a kick. The coaching staff should be hammering Tyson about this. His potentially a great asset but will end up as a marginal player if he doesn't rectify this. Roos seemed to know what his strengths were and played him accordingly. He ain't no outside player. He does however, have the ability to be at the fall of the ball repeatedly.

Tyson is a good player. Makes the odd error but there are plenty worse. 

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5 hours ago, Dirts said:

Tyson is a good player. Makes the odd error but there are plenty worse. 

Tell me who is worse competing for the same spot as he is ?

Oliver, Viney, Harmes, Salem, Jones ?

To a lesser extent - Lewis and Vince but they rotate through the back flanks which Tyson can't do. Melksham and ANB - rotate forward which again is not Tyson's go.

Tyson is only really competing for  a spot with the first five mentioned and on current form he would be coming sixth. (excepting Viney who we are desperate to get back in).

As before - if they Viney back I suspect Tyson will be the one to make way (unless they pull a left of centre and exit Hannan or Spargo which i couldn't imagine them doing considering we are finally putting some good scores on the board).

 

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Too often holds on to the ball too long and either rushes his disposal or gets caught with the ball.

Not a reliable kick. 

An obvious out for Viney given Neal-Bullen's improved form on the weekend.

 

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I think Tyson is a more than handy footballer and i am excited that we are talking about whether he should be in the team. That means there is real pressure for spots if you dont perform.

Gartlett, Hunt, Bugg  - footballers who we would have begged to be in our firsts 5 years  back now need to fight for their spots and there are many more talented players than have gone past them or their form just doesn’t warrant selection.

Even Tyson at his best would be fighting with Harmes for that last spot. 

This is very healthy.

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13 minutes ago, nutbean said:

I think Tyson is a more than handy footballer and i am excited that we are talking about whether he should be in the team. That means there is real pressure for spots if you dont perform.

Gartlett, Hunt, Bugg  - footballers who we would have begged to be in our firsts 5 years  back now need to fight for their spots and there are many more talented players than have gone past them or their form just doesn’t warrant selection.

Even Tyson at his best would be fighting with Harmes for that last spot. 

This is very healthy.

There is no way Garlett is not in our best 22. Just an opinion. When the Demons fire Garlett is the cream. When the Demons play like they did against Hawthorn a bloke like Garlett is not going to save them, nor is he the core problem. The Hawthorn game problems stemmed from our dysfunctional defence. That problem is being mended. Bring back Jeffie, as good as Spargo is and will be, Jeffie will ice our cake even more.

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11 hours ago, Dirts said:

Tyson is a good player. Makes the odd error but there are plenty worse. 

What on earth does that even mean?

Who is worse at playing wing for us?

Unfortunately Goodwin is continuing with the experiment due to his stubbornness. As soon as we play a half decent side with speed on the wings, you'll see why playing Dom there is such a ridiculous thing.

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So lets say Dom gets dropped. Who moves up to the wing role? I think Lewis and Salem are too important with their roles down back to spend more time further up the ground. Harmes seems to play predominantly wing and a bit of half forward. T-Mac, Trac and Fristch, the latter who has played further up the ground lately are still needed across half forward and deeper. I think we need another creator who plays prodomantly wing.

i don't necessarily agree that Dom can't learn to play this position. I think he has lost some of his versatility he showed in his first few years with his marking and tackle. I still think he's an excellent link up player but I'm open to him having a spell for Casey to see what else might work.

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11 hours ago, mongrel said:


So lets say Dom gets dropped. Who moves up to the wing role? I think Lewis and Salem are too important with their roles down back to spend more time further up the ground. Harmes seems to play predominantly wing and a bit of half forward. T-Mac, Trac and Fristch, the latter who has played further up the ground lately are still needed across half forward and deeper. I think we need another creator who plays prodomantly wing.

i don't necessarily agree that Dom can't learn to play this position. I think he has lost some of his versatility he showed in his first few years with his marking and tackle. I still think he's an excellent link up player but I'm open to him having a spell for Casey to see what else might work.

The Fritter on the wing or Hannan   worth a try

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11 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

What on earth does that even mean?

Who is worse at playing wing for us?

Unfortunately Goodwin is continuing with the experiment due to his stubbornness. As soon as we play a half decent side with speed on the wings, you'll see why playing Dom there is such a ridiculous thing.

Thank goodness he was stubborn in playing Oscar last year 'steve'.

We get that you're now left with Dom as your whipping boy but everything will work out in the fullness of time.

I'm sure Goodwin has a plan & I doubt it has much to do with the experiment you mention.

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11 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

What on earth does that even mean?

Who is worse at playing wing for us?

Unfortunately Goodwin is continuing with the experiment due to his stubbornness. As soon as we play a half decent side with speed on the wings, you'll see why playing Dom there is such a ridiculous thing.

Thank goodness he was stubborn in playing Oscar last year 'steve'.

We get that you're now left with Dom as your whipping boy but everything will work out in the fullness of time.

I'm sure Goodwin has a plan & I doubt it has much to do with the experiment you mention.

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12 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

What on earth does that even man?

Who is worse at playing wing for us?

Unfortunately Goodwin is continuing with the experiment due to his stubbornness. As soon as we play a half decent side with speed on the wings, you'll see why playing Dom there is such a ridiculousguy thing.

Not that anything i say matters but having watched Dom closely live & on box i find his reaction time is too slow to play inside successfully and is not a true in and under player anyway.  Prefers to mop up after the initial forays inside which he does well.  But  we have plenty who do it as well or better inside especially with Viney returning.

I think he is ok on the outside but only if receiving in enough space to assess and deliver within 40 meters or so on his left.  In this scenario he generally assess well making good decisions and hitting up targets or kicking to favoured / fat side at a high percentage.  Can look a million doing this at times when not kicking to unrealistic targets outside kicking range.

What holds him back though IMO is his lack of burst speed and taking a bit long to assess/execute which sees him under pressure quite often and results in too many turnovers through pressured / panicy disposals.

Hence the good / bad scenario and so many mixed views on where he is at.

Personally i dont feel he is elite inside or out.  A good without being great all rounder though.

Would be looking to trade for a speedy classy outside mid at year's end if available similar to Impey at the Hawks

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On 5/13/2018 at 2:03 PM, stevethemanjordan said:

Bump.

Only a matter of time before Goodwin makes the change.

It's quite frustrating really. It allows for the Tyson defenders to point at the fact that he continues to play, even though in my eyes and the eyes of many others, he is utterly insignificant playing on the wing with his skill-set. However, like Garland in the past and others over the journey, there's only so much a coach can handle when a player isn't offering enough consistently.

Would love someone to tell me how well he played last night?

Had a real pearler of a game didn't he?

One shivers in anticipated disappointment whenever Tyson has the ball in a pressure situation, and why? Simply because he is going to handball it to a teammate too near to the congestion, and one who is also under more pressure from opponents than he is, and will then attempt to get out of the hot=zone so that it looks like someone else stuffed up.

As for his kicking, his passing to a teammate, his making of space for the rest of the team - we all know how ragged that can be.  

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Dom is almost our best link up player, he runs the corridor lines really well, and is often in the right spot for that hit up kick. We do not really have another midfielder that plays this role quite as well as he does. Granted, he can hold the footy too long, in attempt to draw in players and give the ball off as opposed to the get rid of the ball and make it someone else’s problem, his disposal by foot misses sometimes also and it’s his mistakes rather than his good bits of play that he is judged by. 

 

He is not a bank 22 anymore, but he is still in there while playing the way he is, in my opinion. 

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20 hours ago, nutbean said:

Tell me who is worse competing for the same spot as he is ?

Oliver, Viney, Harmes, Salem, Jones ?

To a lesser extent - Lewis and Vince but they rotate through the back flanks which Tyson can't do. Melksham and ANB - rotate forward which again is not Tyson's go.

Tyson is only really competing for  a spot with the first five mentioned and on current form he would be coming sixth. (excepting Viney who we are desperate to get back in).

As before - if they Viney back I suspect Tyson will be the one to make way (unless they pull a left of centre and exit Hannan or Spargo which i couldn't imagine them doing considering we are finally putting some good scores on the board).

 

This is exactly what Tyson has been doing the last few weeks, he's been nearly playing wing/back flank and been involved in a lot of movement away from the back 50. He was very prominent early in the game against GC, but in the second half the ball barely got down there so he wasn't involved as much. 

Another thing that annoys me is trying to define a permanent set role for a player, we know OMac, Hibberd, Lever and Jetta will be defenders but just about every other position is flexible and fluid during the game, even big Maxy positions himself as a forward multiple times during a game. We've seen Hogan attend center bounces, TMac start on the wing, Harmes at full forward, Spargo/Hannan/Melky run off the back of the square just for examples of players who are thought of as one particular type of player. Players will spend more time in one area than another, but to say someone is directly taking another players role is like expecting the team to line up in the exact position they are named on Thursday nights. 

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6 minutes ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Typical journalism and rumour mill.  Tyson is in our best 22. Needs to make quicker smarter decisions. Gets the footy and links well. We will need him come August/September. 

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15 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Typical journalism and rumour mill.  Tyson is in our best 22. Needs to make quicker smarter decisions. Gets the footy and links well. We will need him come August/September. 

i don't know if he is best 22, but he's definitely best 25

we lose one inside mid and i'd wager he'd be straight in, although it's great that the likes of stretch are now adding inside ball winning to their skills at vfl level

i think he's worth more to us than he is in a trade - he's sort of like lambert was at tigers for a while, before he locked down a spot, and like how miles has been forced from that side

he'd be starting midfield rotation at a succession of other clubs, and i'd personally rather have him as a player able to come in rather than losing him for anything outside of a top 25 pick, and if it was 20-25 i'd be pretty disappointed, as players who've played 80 odd games and are as young as he is are fairly valuable

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19 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Typical journalism and rumour mill.  

Yeah. But I suppose they couldn't have gone with the 'carlton should chase Garlett' story if they're raffling players not in our 22 for news lol

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On 5/13/2018 at 10:19 PM, stevethemanjordan said:

I think you’re misunderstanding my general view.

His sole position should be inside mid, but I wouldn’t have him ahead of any of our current players rolling through there. Right now I’d have him playing inside mid at Casey for depth.

My confusion and frustration comes from the stubbornness that Goodwin displays by playing him in the senior team on a wing. A position in which you need to play runners/ball users. Not extractor/ball winners who are slow and turn the ball over.

 

 

So, if Gaff enters the arena, its could be bye bye Ty ?

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1 hour ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Typical journalism and rumour mill.  Tyson is in our best 22. Needs to make quicker smarter decisions. Gets the footy and links well. We will need him come August/September. 

Which midfielder currently in our side is he better than? As others said earlier in the thread, he doesn't have the flexibility/skills in other areas of the ground that other players do (eg. ANB).

I've liked Tyson since he came to the Dees, but on the eve of the season I said he was in danger of being left behind. That time has come, IMO. He only warrants a spot as a mid and guys like Oliver, Viney, Brayshaw, Jones (and a bunch of players who run through there but also play elsewhere ) have squeezed him out.

Good to have as depth, and not unusual to have a mid or two out injured, but no longer a lock on best 22. Having Garlett, Tyson and Hunt fit and not listed in our 26 for this week is quite something. It shows how much stronger the list is than at any time in the past decade.

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I'd be surprised if he doesn't get another run this year, due to injury or resting players. Will play in the firsts next year after Lewis and Vince retire after winning the flag too. 🏆😜

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What happened to the Tyson of these recruitment highlights? Has the modern in-tight game eclipsed Dom already? Has the series of leg and knee injuries below the waste restricted his agility and speed (and then vision)? Are these snapshots just cherry-picked?

In answer to the last two questions, he's certainly lost penetration on his kick (and his radar since his first year with us, kicking 16.6 in 2014 against 5.9 last year - with many of his goals previously from long range), while I also recall watching him at the Giants and thinking he was - cliche - Pendlebury-like with the time and space he could conjure. 

I think a combination of the above, with the injuries taking a toll that we give little credit to, in that he's returned pretty quickly from most of his set-backs. 

 

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55 minutes ago, Skuit said:

What happened to the Tyson of these recruitment highlights? Has the modern in-tight game eclipsed Dom already? Has the series of leg and knee injuries below the waste restricted his agility and speed (and then vision)? Are these snapshots just cherry-picked?

In answer to the last two questions, he's certainly lost penetration on his kick (and his radar since his first year with us, kicking 16.6 in 2014 against 5.9 last year - with many of his goals previously from long range), while I also recall watching him at the Giants and thinking he was - cliche - Pendlebury-like with the time and space he could conjure. 

I think a combination of the above, with the injuries taking a toll that we give little credit to, in that he's returned pretty quickly from most of his set-backs. 

 

He looks far better evasively in that clip. I know his top end speed probably sticks out in comparison to what we see today, but I see a guy who moved evasively FAR better then than he does now. Also, he looked a bit more desperate to move the ball on. These days Tyson holds onto the pill too much.

If we can move Tyson on for anything better than a 3rd round pick we are doing well IMO.

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