Welcome to Demonland: Jake Lever

[Wiseblood 24,636]

1 minute ago, Lord Travis said:

With us signing Frost and also rumored to be interested in Jackson Trengove from Port, does that indicate we are out of the race for Lever?

If not, then it should just be pick 10 for Lever and move on.

If only it were that easy.

I could see the Crows digging in their heels a little at the prospect of losing yet another key defensive player, especially after losing Bock and Davis.  With other clubs interested they may see if they can get a better deal and try and drive up the price.  I'm not sure just our first rounder will get it done.

[BAMF 3,787]

Pick 10 won't be enough. Dreaming if you think it will be.

[DV8 2,271]

5 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

2018 supposed to be a super draft. Better to keep that one if possible 

2020 the best of the lot. So we better wait until then, before using our ND picks.

[drdrake 3,037]

12 minutes ago, BAMF said:

Pick 10 won't be enough. Dreaming if you think it will be.

Really, the guy is a solid defender Pick 10 is more than enough.  I reckon Pick 10 and 28 for pick 18 and Lever

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

31 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

If only it were that easy.

I could see the Crows digging in their heels a little at the prospect of losing yet another key defensive player, especially after losing Bock and Davis.  With other clubs interested they may see if they can get a better deal and try and drive up the price.  I'm not sure just our first rounder will get it done.

And so they should.

Lever was a pick 14 and I think posters should remember that he slipped in the draft having missed his full last U/18's year of footy. He's now considered the best young defender in the competition.
 

Combine that with the years of development that Adelaide have put in to him and objectively one would agree that the crows actually do deserve more than pick 10 only.

I know that if I were a crows supporter I'd be wanting more than pick 10.

Edited September 6, 2017 by stevethemanjordan

[H_T 2,941]

30 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

If only it were that easy.

I could see the Crows digging in their heels a little at the prospect of losing yet another key defensive player, especially after losing Bock and Davis.  With other clubs interested they may see if they can get a better deal and try and drive up the price.  I'm not sure just our first rounder will get it done.

I don't see it.

They have re-signed McGovern and they may look to get Gibbs in. They may come to the realisation something has to give, they have quality defenders and probably not a lot of room to move given what Lever may command.

[deebug 1,754]

Plus the crows have another young kid on their list who is supposed to an up in coming defender.

I think i heard some talking about him last week. Sorry can not remember his name?

[Dwight Schrute 16,749]

2 hours ago, H_T said:

Too much imo. Just pick 10 should do it. 

i really hope you're right 

[rjay 23,888]

2 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

I know that if I were a crows supporter I'd be wanting more than pick 10.

Well of course we need to appease their supporters 'steve'....not.

[Pates 9,536]

5 hours ago, drdrake said:

Really, the guy is a solid defender Pick 10 is more than enough.  I reckon Pick 10 and 28 for pick 18 and Lever

I feel like it could be one of those big complicated deals if it goes through as hoped. The Crows are in a premiership window so picks aren't aren't as important, could see a 3/4 way deal that sees the Crows receive a player as well as our pick 10 and we get Lever plus a pick/player.

Who really knows though.

[Jibroni 4,042]

1 hour ago, Pates said:

I feel like it could be one of those big complicated deals if it goes through as hoped. The Crows are in a premiership window so picks aren't aren't as important, could see a 3/4 way deal that sees the Crows receive a player as well as our pick 10 and we get Lever plus a pick/player.

Who really knows though.

Then a 3 way trade with Carlton including an exchange of picks does make sense. 

[Dee Zephyr 17,424]

This thread reminds me of all the painful long drives I have taken with my children.

"Are we there yet, are we there yet?"

Only this time, I'm the child.

[Pennant St Dee 11,257]

IMO

Lever is a very good player showing leadership and AA potential based on this season and worth pick 10 with some kind of sweetner

Whitfield is worth the same in terms of trade value. But mark my words he will cost a lot more next year. Watch his finals series last season when the heat was really on. His decision making, ball use and running power are A grade.

Omac took rapid strides this season and whilst he isn't Lever he's shown plenty of positives for pick 53 early in his career.

We have seen the team defence work well this season and fall away as cattle went missing and when lack of pressure around the middle cut up our zone.

Will they improve again next year.  Yes IMO with or without Lever. Trengove from Port will also improve us greatly

What we lack most is a polished outside mid to improve our delivery inside 50.

Get the ball in quick, reduce the overuse of handball and make good decisions  and see how more effective our forwards are. Even young Wied on a quick lead and not having to go arm in arm due to poor slow delivery would benefit greatly and cause headaches.

If it is a choice in using all our currency on Lever or getting Trengove as a FA and using our currency on an outside gun I know what I would prefer

Edited September 6, 2017 by Pennant St Dee

[Dee tention 611]

Sounds like Jake Stringer wants out and is on the table.

Still has youth on his side. But has alot of hamstring trouble and his final series was ordinary for his talent and size. Not a big game player! 

Pass

[Roger Mellie 3,487]

17 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

If it is a choice in using all our currency on Lever or getting Trengove as a FA and using our currency on an outside gun I know what I would prefer

Agreed - Kelly!

But, on a slightly more realistic note - yes Whitfield would make a huge difference and might be more gettable

[whatwhat say what 18,897]

18 minutes ago, Dee tention said:

Sounds like Jake Stringer wants out and is on the table.

Still has youth on his side. But has alot of hamstring trouble and his final series was ordinary for his talent and size. Not a big game player! 

Pass

where's this rumour sprung from?

cannot see dogs letting him go

[BAMF 3,787]

7 hours ago, drdrake said:

Really, the guy is a solid defender Pick 10 is more than enough.  I reckon Pick 10 and 28 for pick 18 and Lever

That's where we differ then. I don't think he is just a solid defender.

If we went to the draft and took a guy as good as Lever with pick 10 then you would be over the moon. Well... I would be. 

That's why I think it will cost more than pick 10.

History of Pick 10

2000 - Jordan McMahon, Western Bulldogs.

2001 - Sam Power, Western Bulldogs.

2002 - Jason Laycock, Essendon.

2003 - Ryley Dunn ,Fremantle.

2004 - Chris Egan, Collingwood.

2005 - Marcus Drum, Fremantle.

2006 - Nathan Brown, Collingwood.

2007 - Patrick Dangerfield, Adelaide.

2008 - Phil Davis, Adelaide.

2009 - Jake Melksham, Essendon.

2010 - Daniel Gorringe, Gold Coast.

2011 - Toby Greene, GWS.

2012 - Joe Daniher, Essendon. (Father Son)

2013 - Nathan Freeman, Collingwood.

2014 - Nakia Cockatoo, Geelong.

2015 - Harry McKay, Carlton.

2016 - Jack Bowes, Gold Coast.

4 players from 16 years that I would be happy with. 1 of them was a father son.

 

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21 minutes ago, DemonAndrew said:

where's this rumour sprung from?

cannot see dogs letting him go

Damien Barrett on The Footy Show

[whatwhat say what 18,897]

will luke beveridge choke him at the brownlow again?

[spirit of norm smith 12,890]

Agree.

MFC 2017 1st & 2nd round picks (Pick 10 and 27)

for Lever and Crows 2017 2nd round (pick 36) and Crows 2018 3rd round pick 

[Fat Tony 4,401]

9 hours ago, BAMF said:

That's where we differ then. I don't think he is just a solid defender.

If we went to the draft and took a guy as good as Lever with pick 10 then you would be over the moon. Well... I would be. 

That's why I think it will cost more than pick 10.

History of Pick 10

2000 - Jordan McMahon, Western Bulldogs.

2001 - Sam Power, Western Bulldogs.

2002 - Jason Laycock, Essendon.

2003 - Ryley Dunn ,Fremantle.

2004 - Chris Egan, Collingwood.

2005 - Marcus Drum, Fremantle.

2006 - Nathan Brown, Collingwood.

2007 - Patrick Dangerfield, Adelaide.

2008 - Phil Davis, Adelaide.

2009 - Jake Melksham, Essendon.

2010 - Daniel Gorringe, Gold Coast.

2011 - Toby Greene, GWS.

2012 - Joe Daniher, Essendon. (Father Son)

2013 - Nathan Freeman, Collingwood.

2014 - Nakia Cockatoo, Geelong.

2015 - Harry McKay, Carlton.

2016 - Jack Bowes, Gold Coast.

4 players from 16 years that I would be happy with. 1 of them was a father son.

 

Good analysis, but it's too early to grade the last three. 4/13 still isn't a great strike rate. 

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

Danger going at pick 10 still makes me slightly ill.

And the bloke we picked at number 4 in the same year makes me even more ill.

[jnrmac 18,947]

10 hours ago, Pennant St Dee said:

IMO

Lever is a very good player showing leadership and AA potential based on this season and worth pick 10 with some kind of sweetner

Whitfield is worth the same in terms of trade value. But mark my words he will cost a lot more next year. Watch his finals series last season when the heat was really on. His decision making, ball use and running power are A grade.

Omac took rapid strides this season and whilst he isn't Lever he's shown plenty of positives for pick 53 early in his career.

We have seen the team defence work well this season and fall away as cattle went missing and when lack of pressure around the middle cut up our zone.

Will they improve again next year.  Yes IMO with or without Lever. Trengove from Port will also improve us greatly

What we lack most is a polished outside mid to improve our delivery inside 50.

Get the ball in quick, reduce the overuse of handball and make good decisions  and see how more effective our forwards are. Even young Wied on a quick lead and not having to go arm in arm due to poor slow delivery would benefit greatly and cause headaches.

If it is a choice in using all our currency on Lever or getting Trengove as a FA and using our currency on an outside gun I know what I would prefer

This. Remember he was coming back from the 'doping' scandal and had a point to prove but his run and ball use were outstanding. Is pretty tough as well.

He is in the shadow of Kelly and others there so may want to step outside of that and get paid a bomb....

Edited September 6, 2017 by jnrmac

[Moonshadow 16,161]

I personally think Whitfield is worth much more than Lever. But who'd complain with landing either...

[Mickey 4,173]

Whitfield was a number 1 pick. He would cost the world.