Training - Friday 17th March, 2017

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1 hour ago, binman said:

No i think you are right ie knocking the ball on being part of goody's strategy to keep the ball moving forward. it was noticeable in the JLT how often players elected to knock the ball forward, rather than grabbing it. The other part of the strategy is to have multiple players pushing hard forward to be in a position to collect the ball. Trac does it all the time.

A spectacular example was the tap on by Harmes to Spencer, who goaled, against Wet Toast.

Very Hawthorn like.....Lewis influence maybe ??

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6 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

Cyril genius

You're late. 

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1 hour ago, hemingway said:

The Dogs and GWS successfully employ the knock on tactic, in addition to the throw or flick pass.  

When you're winning it's called a "knock on tactic". When you're losing, it's called a fumble. I know what to call what I've been watching for the last decade. 

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19 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

When you're winning it's called a "knock on tactic". When you're losing, it's called a fumble. I know what to call what I've been watching for the last decade. 

There were mid air tap ons as well. That's called show boating when you are losing.

Hopefully we get the balance right.

 

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21 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

When you're winning it's called a "knock on tactic". When you're losing, it's called a fumble. I know what to call what I've been watching for the last decade. 

That was Grimes' signature move .. the knock on fumble

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1 hour ago, Cards13 said:

The old "Hawthorn nudge", love it, about time. Can really put a player into space with some of these taps, knock ons.

In the first game against them last year when it was wet they just kept moving the ball forward along the ground while we kept trying to pick it up in the wet.

[Forest Demon 4,681]

Stood out like dogs balls last year every time I watched hawthorn that they were under direction to kick it off the ground rather than try to take possession under pressure, and not just in the wet either.

Edited March 17, 2017 by Forest Demon

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11 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

In the first game against them last year when it was wet they just kept moving the ball forward along the ground while we kept trying to pick it up in the wet.

They mastered it and the Doggies have taken the "handball/flick pass" to the next level.

Whatever helps us win and win in finals. 

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3 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

They mastered it and the Doggies have taken the "handball/flick pass" to the next level.

Whatever helps us win and win in finals. 

Correct Cards. I have not seen us push the envelope in this game in the entire time i've watched and frustrated that so many others do so and do it well. One can only hope we've finally woken up.

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I went for about 2 hours. It was a very windy session.

Hibberd and AVB not present.

Frost in and out of main session. 

Hogan had a tiny niggle on his hip at one stage, but joined back in shortly after and moved nicely.

Didn't notice Trengove (other than copping a nice tackle from Smith). Garland won't play round 1 if they watch the film of this session (Smith also caught him in a good tackle). 

Brayshaw and Petracca are very hit and miss with their kicking. In goal kicking practice Bradshaw did two of the worst shots I've ever seen (including local junior football). 

Most players trained like they play apart from both the McDonalds who didn't make any massive errors in the match sim drills and Oscar was doing quite well with a few intercepts.

Kent and Garlett will both play round 1, both trained well while they were out there.

Hullet played as a backman in the match sim. Pederson was forward and took the only notable mark of the session.

Edited March 17, 2017 by Watts the matter

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2 hours ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Thanks for the reports.

Any info in Jeffy, Kent and/or Kennedy?  Need a small forward for Round one...

Does his absence from the rehab group mean that Weid was also training with the main??

Garlett and Kent both looking good, would expect both to play round 1.

Kennedy was involved for the whole training until the Casey players left so I would expect to see him there this weekend. I don't particularly rate him, but he was moving fine.

Weideman was with the man group and contributed about as much as he does on game day. One goal out the back, one lead up mark and set shot from 40m out which he missed. He did get caught playing as a backman on Hogan at one stage and made a nice spoil after Hogan moved him early.

 

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8 minutes ago, Watts the matter said:

I went for about 2 hours. It was a very windy session.

Hibberd and AVB not present.

Frost in and out of main session. 

Hogan had a tiny niggle on his hip at one stage, but joined back in shortly after and moved nicely.

Didn't notice Trengove (other than copping a nice tackle from Smith). Garland won't play round 1 if they watch the film of this session (Smith also caught him in a good tackle). 

Brayshaw and Petracca are very hit and miss with their kicking. In goal kicking practice Bradshaw did two of the worst shots I've ever seen (including local junior football). 

Most players trained like they play apart from both the McDonalds who didn't make any massive errors in the match sim drills and Oscar was doing quite well with a few intercepts.

Kent and Garlett will both play round 1, both trained well while they were out there.

Hullet played as a backman in the match sim. Pederson was forward and took the only notable mark of the session.

not sure Garlett will be preferred even if fully fit. Just tends to go missing defensively when the heat goes up, and round one will have plenty of heat.

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5 minutes ago, Bay Riffin said:

not sure Garlett will be preferred even if fully fit. Just tends to go missing defensively when the heat goes up, and round one will have plenty of heat.

I agree with you about him going missing but there's no one else on our list to take his position. I'd be shocked if he didn't play based on what I saw today.

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18 minutes ago, Watts the matter said:

I went for about 2 hours. It was a very windy session.

Hibberd and AVB not present.

Frost in and out of main session. 

Hogan had a tiny niggle on his hip at one stage, but joined back in shortly after and moved nicely.

Didn't notice Trengove (other than copping a nice tackle from Smith). Garland won't play round 1 if they watch the film of this session (Smith also caught him in a good tackle). 

Brayshaw and Petracca are very hit and miss with their kicking. In goal kicking practice Bradshaw did two of the worst shots I've ever seen (including local junior football). 

Most players trained like they play apart from both the McDonalds who didn't make any massive errors in the match sim drills and Oscar was doing quite well with a few intercepts.

Kent and Garlett will both play round 1, both trained well while they were out there.

Hullet played as a backman in the match sim. Pederson was forward and took the only notable mark of the session.

Faaarrrrrrkkkkkkkkkk

[PaulRB 5,897]

Garlett is a lock if fit, adds a lot to our potency up forward both directly and indirectly. 

Very undervalued by some on here.

 

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10 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

Garlett is a lock if fit, adds a lot to our potency up forward both directly and indirectly. 

Very undervalued by some on here.

 

100% agree on all 3 counts. Yes he can drift out of games at times (as seems par for the course for specialist small forwards) but he is a very important player in our set up.

One, he has the ability to hit forward targets and can do so with bullet passes, across the face of goal kicks and well weighted kicks into space.

Two he has great vision and sees and hits targets others don't.

Three he has pace, something we seriously lack.

Four, he reads the play beautifully, a skill that in some senses can't be taught and is a natural small forward.

And five, our game plan (which of course is very similar to that of the Hawks, Crows and perhaps even more so the doggies) is all about run and gun and getting the ball into our forward half before the opposition can flood back. This, combined with the number of poor kicks we have, means the ball is pumped in quickly and often comes to ground. With this game plan quality small forwards are critical, not just in terms of scoring but stopping the ball slingshot back out our offensive area. The hawks have Rioli, the Crows Betts and the dogs about 3 who play this role. We have Garlett.

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Vandenburgs heel will be weeks....expect mid season consideration...Hibberd ..looks like the achillies tendon is worse than what they were telling us.....so watts new.....put him in the 4 to 6 weeks category as well.

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1 hour ago, Watts the matter said:

I went for about 2 hours. It was a very windy session.

Hibberd and AVB not present.

Frost in and out of main session. 

Hogan had a tiny niggle on his hip at one stage, but joined back in shortly after and moved nicely.

Didn't notice Trengove (other than copping a nice tackle from Smith). Garland won't play round 1 if they watch the film of this session (Smith also caught him in a good tackle). 

Brayshaw and Petracca are very hit and miss with their kicking. In goal kicking practice Bradshaw did two of the worst shots I've ever seen (including local junior football). 

Most players trained like they play apart from both the McDonalds who didn't make any massive errors in the match sim drills and Oscar was doing quite well with a few intercepts.

Kent and Garlett will both play round 1, both trained well while they were out there.

Hullet played as a backman in the match sim. Pederson was forward and took the only notable mark of the session.

Joel Smith's tackle on Garland was something to behold.

Garland has been a favourite of mine but it it was a very symbolic changing of the guard.

Pretty much saying i've got you, as he ragdolled him over the line and was awarded a free for holding the ball.

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2 hours ago, DemonLad5 said:

Faaarrrrrrkkkkkkkkkk

Why the angst? This is a guy who has not played, other than JTL, for over a year and is unlikely to make an immediate impact. I'm more interested to know how Jetta is tracking as I consider him more important to our prospects at this point in time. I'd be very surprised if we'd be seeing the best of Hibberd before next season.

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2 hours ago, Wrecker45 said:

Joel Smith's tackle on Garland was something to behold.

Garland has been a favourite of mine but it it was a very symbolic changing of the guard.

Pretty much saying i've got you, as he ragdolled him over the line and was awarded a free for holding the ball.

Do you think Joel Smith will play Round 1?

I had him ahead of Garland already.

Edited March 17, 2017 by hells bells

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8 minutes ago, hells bells said:

Do you think Joel Smith will play Round 1?

I had him ahead of Garland already.

I don't think he will play round 1 but barring injury he will debut this season.

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2 hours ago, binman said:

100% agree on all 3 counts. Yes he can drift out of games at times (as seems par for the course for specialist small forwards) but he is a very important player in our set up.

One, he has the ability to hit forward targets and can do so with bullet passes, across the face of goal kicks and well weighted kicks into space.

Two he has great vision and sees and hits targets others don't.

Three he has pace, something we seriously lack.

Four, he reads the play beautifully, a skill that in some senses can't be taught and is a natural small forward.

And five, our game plan (which of course is very similar to that of the Hawks, Crows and perhaps even more so the doggies) is all about run and gun and getting the ball into our forward half before the opposition can flood back. This, combined with the number of poor kicks we have, means the ball is pumped in quickly and often comes to ground. With this game plan quality small forwards are critical, not just in terms of scoring but stopping the ball slingshot back out our offensive area. The hawks have Rioli, the Crows Betts and the dogs about 3 who play this role. We have Garlett.

In the 5 points you've got there you've really made only 2.

1-2: He's a good kick. Except for most of last year he was stuffing around on his left or unwilling to take shots on goal and turning it over at will.

3-5: He's a fast player capable of getting on the end of it. Which is certainly true and I think he'll play based on that alone.

He needs to tidy up his disposal, not shirk contests and make sure his defensive efforts are sound to keep his spot in the team, but given the other options (Vanders, ANB, Harmes, Johnstone etc) have failed to impress or have also been injured or overlooked (Kennedy, Kent, Hannan) there's no doubt in my mind he'll play. I'm hoping he's back in 2015 form.

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I don't think Garland will play.  Who is the 3rd tall after Oscar and T.Mac. Frost has been ruled out.

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17 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

I don't think he will play round 1 but barring injury he will debut this season.

No Hibberd, Frost or Wagner so in my mind it comes down to Garland or Smith. If Smith's training well and Garland isn't then may as well go with him in round 1. He might struggle and it's a tough baptism but I'd rather play a guy who has his down moments than a guy who just doesn't have it any more.

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I feel like Smith would be an ideal matchup for Membrey. He is a great tackler who can play tall and small