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2017 AFL National Draft prospects: The next batch

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how good does james worpel look :) not exactly the player we need but we will go for best player available. he looks just the type that jason taylor needs.

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On 13/10/2017 at 12:50 PM, stevethemanjordan said:

I had the opportunity to do a bit of scouting this year and there are a host of names who impressed me at TAC cup level but either didn't play regular state carnival or didn't dominate.

If we manage to get a second-rounder for Watts and hit the draft with picks 27, (Watts pick), 35 and 45, look out for the following names:

Northern  - Jack Petrucelle, Marcus Lentini, Alexander Federico

Sandringham - Will Walker, Hayden Mclean, Nathan Murphy

Eastern - Trent Mynott, Joel Garner, Ryley Stoddart, Thomas North and Tyler Brown

Oakleigh - Ed Richards, Matthew Day

Gippsland - Callum Porter, Will Stephenson, Jack Hudson

Murray - Doulton Langlands, Daniel Johnston

Bendigo - Kane Farrell, Darby Henderson

GWV Rebels - Aiden Domic, Jordan Johnston

Geelong - Matthew Ling, Gryan Mies, James Worpel, Ethan Floyd

 

Unfortunately I didn't see Dandenong, Calder or Western play so can't comment on those players. But I saw the above players on a few occasions, many of whom I took notes for under instruction. Happy to answer questions on any.

I reckon most of those names mentioned will be between second and fourth round picks.

Would be pretty happy if one of Ling, Walker, Ed Richards or Garner fell to our picks. Your boy Petrucelle might be a chance.

What were your thoughts on Domic and Kane Farrell?

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On 13/10/2017 at 1:24 PM, Nascent said:

What can you tell me about Nathan Murphy Steve? Only just chosen footy as his primary focus I believe.

Check out WJ's post of 29 July in which he discusses Murphy on this thread.

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BTW Nathan Murphy is in the same style as Jack Watts.  Talented at all sports.  Tall forward but not key position. Could play high half forward.  Not the most aggressive type. Private school pedigree. Would need a year at Casey.

Worthy of our pick around 25-35. 

James Worpel is a huge talent and super inside ball winning type like Oliver. Would be ready physically to play round 1 2018. Hard ball contested player. No frills. Can turnover footy by foot and not fast. 

Either would be welcome but come with compromises. But which players don’t!!!

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On 13/10/2017 at 12:50 PM, stevethemanjordan said:

I had the opportunity to do a bit of scouting this year and there are a host of names who impressed me at TAC cup level but either didn't play regular state carnival or didn't dominate.

If we manage to get a second-rounder for Watts and hit the draft with picks 27, (Watts pick), 35 and 45, look out for the following names:

Northern  - Jack Petrucelle, Marcus Lentini, Alexander Federico

Sandringham - Will Walker, Hayden Mclean, Nathan Murphy

Eastern - Trent Mynott, Joel Garner, Ryley Stoddart, Thomas North and Tyler Brown

Oakleigh - Ed Richards, Matthew Day

Gippsland - Callum Porter, Will Stephenson, Jack Hudson

Murray - Doulton Langlands, Daniel Johnston

Bendigo - Kane Farrell, Darby Henderson

GWV Rebels - Aiden Domic, Jordan Johnston

Geelong - Matthew Ling, Gryan Mies, James Worpel, Ethan Floyd

 

Unfortunately I didn't see Dandenong, Calder or Western play so can't comment on those players. But I saw the above players on a few occasions, many of whom I took notes for under instruction. Happy to answer questions on any.

I reckon most of those names mentioned will be between second and fourth round picks.

(Obviously) I don't know these guys from a bar of soap.

Which would be your preference with our picks?

Great post. Thank you.

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We have 1761 points with our picks in the second round.

So who are we going to trade these with to get our first round pick?

GWS is usually up for a point increase to get their academy players but they only have pick 11 which is 1329 points. 

Will they need/do it?

 

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On 10/13/2017 at 3:50 AM, stevethemanjordan said:

If we manage to get a second-rounder for Watts and hit the draft with picks 27, (Watts pick), 35 and 45, look out for the following names:

Northern  - Jack Petrucelle, Marcus Lentini, Alexander Federico

Sandringham - Will Walker, Hayden Mclean, Nathan Murphy

Eastern - Trent Mynott, Joel Garner, Ryley Stoddart, Thomas North and Tyler Brown

Oakleigh - Ed Richards, Matthew Day

Gippsland - Callum Porter, Will Stephenson, Jack Hudson

Murray - Doulton Langlands, Daniel Johnston

Bendigo - Kane Farrell, Darby Henderson

GWV Rebels - Aiden Domic, Jordan Johnston

Geelong - Matthew Ling, Gryan Mies, James Worpel, Ethan Floyd

 

Hey Steve. You've mentioned Petrucelle's explosiveness previously, but which three on this list would you personally take if you had a free hit - i.e. those with the potential-most upside as impact players regardless of current concerns for consistency etc.? 

Cheers.

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On 15/10/2017 at 12:08 PM, ChaserJ said:

Would be pretty happy if one of Ling, Walker, Ed Richards or Garner fell to our picks. Your boy Petrucelle might be a chance.

What were your thoughts on Domic and Kane Farrell?

As would I. I think those four will go fairly early in the second round.

Domic impressed me in all the games I saw of him. (Think it was three). He was heavily involved in all of them and there was one game in particular against Murray at Ikon park where he kicked a handful playing mid. He doesn't look particularly flashy but consistently finds the ball and does everything 'well'. Hard to see any glaringly obvious weaknesses. 

Farrell I saw twice and whilst he didn't have a huge impact, there were definitely glimpses of quality and high level attributes. He was quick, possessed great agility and a nice left-foot. Probably wasn't involved enough in the games I saw, but was also moved around a lot positionally which I could see made it difficult. Had some nice moments, just wasn't dominant. 

Of the two, I imagine Domic will be snapped up before Farrell. Just my guess.

 

On 16/10/2017 at 1:29 PM, Choke said:

(Obviously) I don't know these guys from a bar of soap.

Which would be your preference with our picks?

Great post. Thank you.

 

7 hours ago, Skuit said:

Hey Steve. You've mentioned Petrucelle's explosiveness previously, but which three on this list would you personally take if you had a free hit - i.e. those with the potential-most upside as impact players regardless of current concerns for consistency etc.? 

Cheers.

 

Hard to say. 

As I've said, some of those names are more highly rated than others. I just gave that list because I was asked under instruction to report on a few of those names which indicates the club was/is interested. 

It depends on what we're after player-wise.

For our pick 29 - If we land any of Ling, Floyd, Miers, Garner, Mclean or Domic I'd be happy. 

Ling and Garner are highly rated half-backs. Personally I'd love Ling as I think he has the capacity to play wing and possesses what our side needs. Speed and foot-skills. For a player of his size and slight build, he showed great competitiveness and aggression at the ball and man which was a big + given he looks typically outside. If we landed Ling at 29 I'd be stoked but I reckon he'll be gone by then. 

Miers is a small forward from Geelong who kicked a bag in the granny and was always dangerous in the games I saw of him. 

Floyd is a wingman who was prolific for Geelong this year but I'd prefer Ling for his versatility. 

Mclean a big forward/ruckman for Sandy who would be a decent second-round choice for a back-up forward/ruck. Had one big game that I saw of him but drifted out of some games also. 

Domic a reliable midfielder that we may target for depth. Does everything well without having a super standout quality. Just a smart player though. Impacted in most games I watched of him, great tank and had an amazing game against Murray when GWV came back from a 40+ point deficit at three-quarter time to win the game. Domic kicked the first three of the last quarter and played midfield all day. Carried his side.

 

Pick 31 and and 36 - 

I'd have a crack at Jack Petrucelle if he was still there at either pick.

Jack Petrucelle was definitely the most eye-catching of that group and has infinite potential but also poses a risk given how raw he is at this level. X-factor player who played both deep forward and through the midfield for the Knights. I saw him feature against SA in one of the state games where he was fairly quiet, I don't think he played any others although I may be wrong. But on a few occasions at TAC cup level I saw some amazing moments from him. Some incredible pack parks and some amazing blistering runs that resulted in goals. He frequently drifted in and out of games however, but there's a lot to like and I'll keep a keen eye on him wherever he ends up.

Farrell, Stoddart, Federico or Murphy are the others I'd be happy with. I think we need to keep targeting players with foot-skills and running ability but who also possess the right competitive mind. Farrell, Stoddart and Federico are similar players. Half-back/midfielders who can run and kick really well. Stoddart probably less physical than the other two. Murphy is the cricketer/natural sportsman who's a versatile tall that we may opt for. 

 

47 - For two smokies who didn't feature much/at all at state level would be Mynott and Porter. Both impressed me at Tac cup level and I reckon both have great potential and were unfortunate not to feature heavily at state level. And just on that, I can see now how difficult it is for recruiters. Oliver similarly was overlooked for Vic country but look at what he's been able to do at AFL level. I'm not comparing Mynott and Porter to Oliver, but it's clear that some boys are incredibly unlucky if they don't play well either at the state trials or in their first games at state level. 

Mynott is a class player and I reckon he'll do well in an AFL environment.


My two bob.

 

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Well done Steve, and agree with all except for Petruccelle. He floats in and out and does not work hard enough to run off the ball. Petruccelles disposal is 50/50 at best. Turns it over too much even when no pressure.  

For a pacy  midfielder, yes you are spot on with  Ling as he is as quick and classy and tough.  Toby Wooller as a 3rd tall forward should be the priority for us at pick 35-36.  Great mark. Good kick for goal. General disposal is excellent. 

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The first of the true phantom drafts thanks to Matt Balmer at AFL Draft Central.

The Demons don't enter into proceedings until the middle part of the second round of the draft so the recruiting team has its work cut out for it. Here's Balmer's take on who we might pick ~

"Pick 29: Melbourne – A small forward or classy outside ball user would likely appear to the Dees. Ryley Stoddart, Matt Ling and Lochie O’Brien are three such classy outside midfielders/half back flanks. If they’re looking for a small forward, Dylan Moore and Charlie Spargo are two second round prospects that they could consider. The Demons also have Pick 31 and 36."

My information is that the bolded trio might just be a tad out of reach for the MFC at #29. O'Brien in particular is a likely top 20 pick. 

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29,31,36,47

Aim for Matt Ling, Dylan Moore, Toby Wooller and Hayden McLean   

 

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On 20/10/2017 at 12:10 AM, spirit of norm smith said:

29,31,36,47

Aim for Matt Ling, Dylan Moore, Toby Wooller and Hayden McLean   

 

Is Toby Wooller related to the former Cat Fred Wooller?

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Yes. It is his grandson. Cats might grab him at 35 ahead of Dees at 36. 

Probably Cats will take Balta at 22 (if available) and Ling at 24. 

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i'd be pretty happy on ling or this bloke at 29. 

 

 

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I fear what another Ling from Geelong would do to the dressing room. Obvious, cliche-ridden ramblings. Constant regurgitation of meaningless stats, mangling of the English language...

For our boys mental health lets not draft Ling!

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Yes happy with Wooller and Spargo at 29 & 31.

 If Coleman-Jones or Garner was available at 29, they would be also hard to pass on. 

Wooller is the real deal. Think of Jack Gunston but with more midfield aerobic potential.

It is either Spargo or Dylan Moore as the small forward or midfielder. 

Agree Ling goes before our pick. Likely 22 to Cats in my opinion.

36 ... Zac Bailey would be good. Super fast and super classy.  Or Trent Mynott as a fast running halfback. Has the AFL run and skill that translates up.

47...  Hayden McLean appeals if we have not already selected a big body as he is a forward/ruck type.  Seb Williams is a blue sky option.  Liam Ryan or Tim Kelly are the mature age wildcards at this pick. 

 

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One of the interstate clubs to pick Andrew Brayshaw, in two years he wants to return to Melbourne and nominates the Dees. 😉

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Given a good look over the 2017 draft. Not overly strong but top group is consistent so some bargains for the clubs with picks 10-15.

Top 20 Group predicted: 1 Davies-Uniacke, 2 Rayner, 3 Dow, 4 Brayshaw, 5 Cerra, 6 Coffield, 7 Hayes, 8 Stephenson, 9 Brander, 10 O’Brien, 11 Constable, 12 D.Fogarty, 13 Naughton, 14 Clark, 15 Higgins, 16 Bonar, 17 Balta, 18 Ballenden, 19 Allen, 20 Naish (f/son)

21 Bulldogs  N.Murphy

22 Cats   Ling

23 Kangas  Richards

24 Cats   Worpel 

25 Tigers  Houlahan 

26 Eagles  Clavarino

27 Giants   Garner

28 Giants   Spargo

29 Demons  Wooller

30 Blues   Zac Bailey

31 Demons  Gryan Miers

32 Eagles  Ainsworth 

33 Swans  Mynott

34 Saints   Petruccelle 

35 Cats  Dixon

36 Demons  Bailey Fritsch

37 Eagles   Starcevich 

38 Pies  T.Brown (f/son)

39 Crows  McPherson

40 Lions.  Tim Kelly

41 Suns.  Crowden 

42 Dockers   Patmore

43 Lions. Farrell

44 Hawks. D Moore

45 Saints   Taylor 

46 Power.  Liam Ryan

47 Demons Hayden McLean 

48 Bombers C.Parish

49 Power. Petty

50 Suns.  Crossley

happy with Wooller, Miers, Fritsch & McLean. 

Seb Williams, Aiden Quigley and Matthew Day are my smokies for top 50. Callum Coleman-Jones could be another option. 

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Knightmare on Big Footy has MFC choices as

29 Wooller - yes if available

31 Spargo - good but prefer Garner

36 Mcpherson - good but prefer Fritsch

All good choices if we were lucky enough.  Though need more height at pick 47. As per my top 50.  I think Fritsch at 36 is the go.

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6 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Won't end up at Melbourne but Darcy Fogarty might well turn out to be the best pick of the draft.

Looks like he will be gone well before our first pick.

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