Best 22 for Round 1, 2017

[Biffen 12,298]

We should just zone of Riewoldt and let him run free all day.

[Skuit 9,112]

Bugg is bugging me. I'm pretty certain he'll be there but I'm not sure who gives way? *

F:        Garlett     Pedersen   Petracca

HF:      Watts       Hogan     vandenBerg

RR:      Lewis        Gawn        Jones

C:        Tyson        Viney       Vince

HB:     Hunt        Omac      Melksham
B:        Jetta         Tmac         Frost

I/C:     Stretch   Brayshaw  Oliver  Salem/Harmes

*Assuming Kent and Hibberd will be underdone.

[ArtificialWisdom 3,844]

21 minutes ago, Skuit said:

Bugg is bugging me. I'm pretty certain he'll be there but I'm not sure who gives way? *

F:        Garlett     Pedersen   Petracca
HF:      Watts       Hogan     vandenBerg
RR:      Lewis        Gawn        Jones
C:        Tyson        Viney       Vince
HB:     Hunt        Omac      Melksham
B:        Jetta         Tmac         Frost

I/C:     Stretch   Brayshaw  Oliver  Salem/Harmes

*Assuming Kent and Hibberd will be underdone.

I feel Hibberd is more likely than Tyson

Hibbard didnt do the main intraclub but he was part of the ball movement drills before and after it (along with Jetta who always seems to have some kind of niggle) . Tyson was in street clothes sitting on the sideline (he may have done some more running before the session I wasnt there that early).. 

I also think they will play Weiderman this was the forwardline they were using in the intraclub: 
F:        Garlett     Weiderman  Petracca
HF:      Watts       Hogan     vandenBerg

But other than that really like your side

[DubDee 20,360]

Surprised to see so many have Melksham in their first 18.  is this because you assume Goody won't leave him out or you really think he is better than the alternatives?

Possible HBF - Hibberd, Hunt, Salem, Lewis, Wagner, Vince, even JT.  I realise some of these guys will play midfield but there is pressure for spots there too.

I dont have Melksham in my 22 at present. Especially after a year out of the game, I would assume a month at casey would be the go

[ArtificialWisdom 3,844]

36 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Surprised to see so many have Melksham in their first 18.  is this because you assume Goody won't leave him out or you really think he is better than the alternatives?

Possible HBF - Hibberd, Hunt, Salem, Lewis, Wagner, Vince, even JT.  I realise some of these guys will play midfield but there is pressure for spots there too.

I dont have Melksham in my 22 at present. Especially after a year out of the game, I would assume a month at casey would be the go

This is my thinking. He put alot into getting both him and Hibbard into the club. He wouldn't put them straight to Casey. I would say each will get 4-5 weeks to prove their worth unless they play particularly poorly in the JLT. Goody also labeled Melksham as one of the better in the intra club. 

Wagner is an interesting one. I thought he was pretty good when he played last year but I'm not sure if he will get the oppertunities this year. Maybe he will challenge a few for a spot. We seem to have a ton of good defenders but not many that are very good. Add to that Hunt, I want him to stay behind the ball but they may choose to move him up the ground just because of the excessive number of HB options we have

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,150]

59 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Surprised to see so many have Melksham in their first 18.  is this because you assume Goody won't leave him out or you really think he is better than the alternatives?

Possible HBF - Hibberd, Hunt, Salem, Lewis, Wagner, Vince, even JT.  I realise some of these guys will play midfield but there is pressure for spots there too.

I dont have Melksham in my 22 at present. Especially after a year out of the game, I would assume a month at casey would be the go

I think he's borderline, but Goodwin sometimes seems to go out of his way to praise him- I suspect he's a bit of a favorite.  By many reports he was quite good in the intra-club, but I suspect we'll get a much better idea of where things sit after next Saturday's match.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

Kent is no chance to play round 1, Tyson is a maybe I's say.

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,150]

15 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Kent is no chance to play round 1, Tyson is a maybe I's say.

Opportunity for a borderline 22 players like JKH, Harmes, Trengove and Kennedy... can one of them seize it?

[ArtificialWisdom 3,844]

 

20 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Kent is no chance to play round 1, Tyson is a maybe I's say.

Do you or anyone else know about Kennedy? He didnt play the intra does that leave him in just as much doubt? Might give JKH a huge opportunity with both Kennedy and Kent potential outs

[DemonLad5 1,637]

29 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Kent is no chance to play round 1, Tyson is a maybe I's say.

How do you know?

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

7 minutes ago, DemonLad5 said:

How do you know?

Because he hasn't trained for weeks now and has a history of hamstring injuries.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

22 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Opportunity for a borderline 22 players like JKH, Harmes, Trengove and Kennedy... can one of them seize it?

A lot of people (not me) wrote JKH a long time ago, this is the perfect opportunity for him to shine.

[DemonLad5 1,637]

2 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Because he hasn't trained for weeks now and has a history of hamstring injuries.

Isn't it his back?

[Watts Jurrah Dunn? 735]

The Saints really exposed us for a lack of pace and run at Etihad twice last year.  

I think Melskham, as a 100 game player, a runner, and a bloke that the Coach gave up a fair bit for 15 months ago, is a lock for the 22 in Round 1.

I'm really interested by what we do with the tall defenders.  I think it's horses for courses this year with Frost/O McDonald - they don't both need to play every single week.  

We just look so slow on the hard, fast deck at Etihad, so it wouldn't surprise me if Hibberd was asked to play a bit taller on someone like Membrey, who he only gives away an inch to.  It allows you to go with a running side like this:

Jetta, Frost, Hibberd

Hunt, T McDonald, Salem

Stretch, Lewis, Vince

Petracca, Hogan, Watts

JKH, Pedersen, Garlett

Gawn, Jones, Viney

Int: Oliver, Brayshaw, Melksham, vandenBerg

[DeeSpencer 23,060]

FB: Jetta   Frost/Oscar  Hibberd
HB: Vince   T Mc    Hunt
C:  Stretch   Viney   Lewis
HF: Petracca  Hogan  JKH/Vanders
FF: Watts   Weed/Pedda   Garlett
Foll: Gawn  Oliver  Jones
Int: Brayshaw, Melksham,  Salem, Tyson

Next best: Bugg, Harmes, Trengove, Wagner

I'd like 3 talls down back but all 6 starting defenders, plus Melksham, Salem and Lewis who could all spend time at half back are strong in the air. If we are going with a kicking based skills game plan then we need skills! 

The 2nd tall at each end and Kent's vacant half forward are the most open spots right now.

Jetta and Hibberd didn't play in the intraclub so they need to show something in the preseason games but both should be good enough. Tyson obviously has to get back in to full training and play a game or two as well.

[Gator 16,891]

Last time we played the Saints we had players such as White, Wagner, Grimes, Matt Jones, and Ben Kennedy in the team.  Three weeks later in round 20 when we beat the Hawks none of those 5 played. 

The first time we played them we had a first gamer in Petracca, Dunn, Lumumba, Wagner (4th game), Bugg, Kennedy, and Frost playing as a forward, where he's hopeless.  vandenBerg also played and he was limited all year with his ankle and is moving better this preseason.

The team we put out in round one ought be far stronger than either of those lineups.  Petracca will be better, Oliver didn't play in either game, Salem wasn't there in round 17, Brayshaw will be a different player, add Lewis, Hibberd, and Melksham and the maturation of others like Stretch, Hogan, Viney, Oscar, etc.

The Saints will have better matchups for Hogan with Carlisle and structure with Brown.

Who knows how we'll go, but I'm very confident the team we'll put out will be far superior to the others the Saints accounted for.

Edited February 13, 2017 by ProDee

[Dwight Schrute 16,722]

1 hour ago, ProDee said:

Last time we played the Saints we had players such as White, Wagner, Grimes, Matt Jones, and Ben Kennedy in the team.  

The first time we played them we had a first gamer in Petracca, Dunn, Lumumba, Wagner (4th game), Bugg, Kennedy, and Frost playing as a forward, where he's hopeless.  vandenBerg also played and he was limited all year with his ankle and is moving better this preseason.

The team we put out in round one ought be far stronger than either of those lineups.  Petracca will be better, Oliver didn't play in either game, Salem wasn't there in round 17, Brayshaw will be a different player, add Lewis, Hibberd, and Melksham and the maturation of others like Stretch, Hogan, Viney, Oscar, etc.

The Saints will have better matchups for Hogan with Carlisle and structure with Brown.

Who knows how we'll go, but I'm very confident the team we'll put out will be far superior to the others the Saints accounted for.

I also think our big weakness against the saints has been speed and speed of ball movement and we have gone some way to addressing that with hunt and stretch now basically certain starters to really add outside run and carry to the side 

[Gator 16,891]

6 minutes ago, Abe said:

I also think our big weakness against the saints has been speed and speed of ball movement and we have gone some way to addressing that with hunt and stretch now basically certain starters to really add outside run and carry to the side 

Actually, even though he played 16 games Stretch missed both games against the Saints as well.

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,150]

2 hours ago, ProDee said:

Last time we played the Saints we had players such as White, Wagner, Grimes, Matt Jones, and Ben Kennedy in the team.  Three weeks later in round 20 when we beat the Hawks none of those 5 played. 

The first time we played them we had a first gamer in Petracca, Dunn, Lumumba, Wagner (4th game), Bugg, Kennedy, and Frost playing as a forward, where he's hopeless.  vandenBerg also played and he was limited all year with his ankle and is moving better this preseason.

The team we put out in round one ought be far stronger than either of those lineups.  Petracca will be better, Oliver didn't play in either game, Salem wasn't there in round 17, Brayshaw will be a different player, add Lewis, Hibberd, and Melksham and the maturation of others like Stretch, Hogan, Viney, Oscar, etc.

The Saints will have better matchups for Hogan with Carlisle and structure with Brown.

Who knows how we'll go, but I'm very confident the team we'll put out will be far superior to the others the Saints accounted for.

While not confident, this post has at least made me feel a little better about round one.

Bring it on! 

[Bobby Clark 121]

B: Jetta  Tmac  Salem

HB: Hibberd  Frost   Hunt

C: Tyson  Jones  Lewis

HF: Petracca Weideman Watts

F: Garlett  Hogan  Kent 

Foll: Gawn Viney Oliver

 

bench: Vince Stretch Brayshaw Omac

emerg: Vandenburg Melksham Bugg

[spirit of norm smith 12,839]

FROST  T.MCD  JETTA

HIBBERD  O.MCD  SALEM

HUNT  VINEY  STRETCH

HARMES  HOGAN  PETRACCA

GARLETT   WEIDEMAN  WATTS

GAWN  LEWIS  JONES

BRAYSHAW  VINCE  OLIVER  MELKSHAM

emergency: VDHBERG  BUGG  PEDERSEN

underdone  KENT  TYSON  

[Skuit 9,112]

12 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

A lot of people (not me) wrote JKH a long time ago, this is the perfect opportunity for him to shine.

The last time JKH was playing at the AFL level - over a year ago - he managed 2 goals in 9 games. I didn't see him against GWS in the final round but he looked like an absolute rabbit-in-the-headlights in that farcical win over Brisbane. I think he even managed negative stats. Essentially, he's unproven as a goal-kicker, and will need to be able to run through the middle regardless. I'm not writing him off, and by the sounds of it he's well respected at the club and is having a cracker of a pre-season, but I'm not so sure that Kent's absence will be JKH's opportunity. We have potentially fringe players - Harmes, Bugg, Kennedy - who can slot in at HFF and have more recent exposure at the top level. 

[Pates 9,536]

1 hour ago, Skuit said:

The last time JKH was playing at the AFL level - over a year ago - he managed 2 goals in 9 games. I didn't see him against GWS in the final round but he looked like an absolute rabbit-in-the-headlights in that farcical win over Brisbane. I think he even managed negative stats. Essentially, he's unproven as a goal-kicker, and will need to be able to run through the middle regardless. I'm not writing him off, and by the sounds of it he's well respected at the club and is having a cracker of a pre-season, but I'm not so sure that Kent's absence will be JKH's opportunity. We have potentially fringe players - Harmes, Bugg, Kennedy - who can slot in at HFF and have more recent exposure at the top level. 

JKH came onto the scene with a bit of a blitz but in some ways I think that counted against him as that became his benchmark. 

He's had a bit of bad luck with injuries and in particular it's hampered him with getting consistency, but a clear run at it this year and I think he will be in with a real shot of being a regular in the team. Particularly if Garlett continues his disappointing form from the end of last year. 

He's not hugely quick, but he's slippery. Big year for him either way. 

[Steve Lattimer 29]

B:   Jetta   Frost   Hibberd
HB:   Hunt   TMac   Melksham
C:   Lewis   Tyson   Salem
HF:   Petracca   Hogan   Vince
F:   Garlett   Watts   Pederson
FOLL:   Gawn   Jones   Viney

IC:   Brayshaw   Oliver   Stretch   Kent


EMERG:   OMac   Weideman   vandenBerg

Edited February 17, 2017 by Steve Lattimer

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On 13/02/2017 at 2:58 AM, Biffen said:

We should just zone of Riewoldt and let him run free all day.

And line up JKH on Bruce or Membrey. ( and I thought I had no footy nouse )