POST MATCH DISCUSSION - Round 6

[pinkshark 935]

29 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

Young side who look very, very tired, one too many tall blokes, too many players who should be better and have gone missing (Tyson, Garlett, Lumumba) and a ground we play very poorly (note how often St Kilda have basically hit the wing boundary and then spread back across and opened us back up).

We have some good players but they are inexperienced. We also rely on them a lot for speed so on a track like this when they are down we could never win. They'll learn from this, as will our coaching staff. Too many young players can't come up week after week. 

Lets not get all dramatic. It's a tough competition and we will continue moving in the right direction.

well said.  first level headed post so far.  Picket Fence, you were on the money mate

[bing181 8,151]

7 minutes ago, Third Man Up said:

im not sure the players were to blame today.

Seriously?

[Fitz Fitzpatrick 886]

1 minute ago, Rafiki said:

Were people expecting Truck to just come in and dominate? I was excited to see him play and was a tad disappointed with his game but overall it was a decent debut

Petracca showed he has the skill. the game was a bit to quick for him at times but his touch was A grade. not worried at all. 

people get sucked in by media hype far too easily. 

[Deeoldfart 7,719]

33 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Side note: Petracca super underwhelming

Petracca was'n't great, but certainly no worse than probably half his more experienced team-mates.  A bit churlish to put a first gamer in the gun after a super underwhelming team performance.

Edited April 30, 2016 by Deeoldfart

[loges 6,010]

11 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

I see that as a problem with the high press today.  The coaches and players are on record as saying we are pushing higher up the ground to force turnovers in our half - it broke down big time today and allowed the Saints way too much space.  Full credit to them as it was clearly a plan of theirs and we didn't do enough to stop it.

Commentators had it pegged in 1st quarter defence set too high, too easy for them to get in behind us

[pinkshark 935]

32 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Side note: Petracca super underwhelming

yeah he is no good.  19 year old in his first afl game i would have expected that he dominated at least.  

[SaberFang 7,141]

At least Fremantle lost as well, so we don't have to lament throwing away 6th spot on the ladder or anything really dramatic like that.

[Wiseblood 24,636]

Just now, loges said:

Commentators had it pegged in 1st quarter defence set too high, too easy for them to get in behind us

Saints knew it too and they exploited it.  Well played to them.

It's a learning experience for the boys and shows how crucial it is to play your role 100% of the time.  A quick team like the Saints showed us what can happen when we don't.

[Fitz Fitzpatrick 886]

1 minute ago, bing181 said:

Seriously?

yes seriously.

of course there were blokes with bad days at the office but our game plan was totally carved up and we didn't react to that. that makes players reactionary. has happened to me in the past. when you are being told to do one thing that is clearly not working it makes it very hard and you just end up chasing jumpers.

[bing181 8,151]

One of Tom Mcdonald's worse games for a long time. He's supposed to be good at reading the play - not on today's evidence.

Not helped by the lack of pressure further up the ground, but still ...

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

What did Roos say in his presser?

[junk 342]

I hope that Paul Roos doesn't mention how good we were in the NAB cup,I suppose any excuse is better than none!!!!!

[McQueen 17,862]

13 minutes ago, Third Man Up said:

Roos is really a very non reactive match day coach. out of stubborness or just lack of ability, i dont know , but his refusal to adapt to the game unfolding in front of him has cost us many times now. 

im not sure the players were to blame today. the game plan got carved up and without leadership from the box it left them unable to adapt and the carnage which ensued made it hard for the side to stay in the game. 

an opposition side picking apart a game plan will make players look slow and reactionary. im not so keen to put all of this on the players to be honest. of course ill agree some more on field leadership will help but in a nutshell our game plan has been picked apart and no answers were provided to the players. hence so many lefft in "no mans land" on turnovers

Good post.

All of that plus we were physically dominated today. Saints have a stronger on ball brigade than us and their clearing out of congestion was impressive.

[Dwight Schrute 16,747]

Roosy basically said we were outplayed and never really got our game going.

Didn't mention we were utterly out coached.

[SaberFang 7,141]

Just now, ENYAW said:

I hope that Paul Roos doesn't mention how good we were in the NAB cup,I suppose any excuse is better than none!!!!!

If he says we looked tired again, like he did after Round 2, I'll throw a brick through the screen.

[Skuit 9,141]

8 minutes ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

How about we put at the end of that sentence 'but we are 17 weeks away from September and we have a team ahead of us we haven't beaten in nearly ten years to come up against at a venue where we have won once in 23 attempts so we are mostly aiming at getting that monkey off the back'?  If he had said that, Jack would have answered the question but would also have given an actual reflection on where we are at and where the season is at. The fact that that rider wasn't attached to that sentence says A LOT!
We should be aiming at finals yes, but the season is a marathon.

I understand where you're coming from and I don't want to be a parrot Flaubert, but my sentiment was that what Jack said in no way contributed to this loss. It may have been indicative of a mind-set but I doubt it. We're instituting a high risk, high pressure game-plan and will always be scored on out the back - such that should the intensity, composure or disposal skills drop a fraction we're in trouble. Is that drop off borne of an arrogance or complacency encapsulated by Viney's statement or perhaps the difficulty in maintaining such a game-style with a young and inexperienced team?

[Lucifers Hero 36,991]

A BIG positive was Hogan's 7 goals! Nothing wrong with his kicking style, Ox.

A rare highlight from a rubbish game.

 

[John Crow Batty 8,240]

  After Essendon I said I would be happy if we were 3 and 3 after 6 rounds. Fluck happiness.

[Samael 560]

6 minutes ago, Third Man Up said:

Petracca showed he has the skill. the game was a bit to quick for him at times but his touch was A grade. not worried at all. 

people get sucked in by media hype far too easily. 

His disposal was at 66% or there about. Not good enough but for a debut game it was not too bad. 

 

[Tnc dee 15]

How the hell do u have 2 less inside 50s yet lose by 40 got me stuffed I'm getting [censored] at this side showing up one week and then looking like there council workers (minus the shovel) the following one dig deep boys and give back to those who have supported u through the bad times

[Redleg 37,546]

9 minutes ago, loges said:

Commentators had it pegged in 1st quarter defence set too high, too easy for them to get in behind us

And plenty of us in the stands, but not in the Coaches' box. We appear to lack a plan B. 

When you see something happening, that if you let it continue you will lose, surely you at least try something else.

I am fearful we have an arrogant Coaching box, that will just blame the players, if they don't win under the same plan.

We could have thrown in a sweeper, tagged Riewoldt, or played  man on man, even for a while, just to change things up, but not one change.

It was the same in the Bombers' game.

Yes we played poorly and yes the Saints worked harder and played better and yes our skills were once again deplorable, but the Coaching was pathetic.

I hope for our future that this is not the way Goodwin will coach, not the plan, but the refusal to adapt to a game, where the plan isn't working.

Edited April 30, 2016 by Redleg

[Deeoldfart 7,719]

21 minutes ago, McQueen said:

Out Coached.

Out played.

Out muscled.

............... and most disappointing of all:  Out worked.

[doc roet 1,199]

Roo's had to play Petracca after all the hype that has gone on.

OK,he has had his 1s't game,will learn what playing in the 1'st is all about now,

No amount of games at Casey will show him what it's like on the big stage.

He will be better off for it.

[pinkshark 935]

30 minutes ago, bing181 said:

We still kicked 15 goals. It's not all doom and gloom. Just gloom.

i agree, we missed a few important opportunities to peg them back.  that happens.  funny how demonlanders expect us to win every game.  hilarious.

[praha 10,270]

Petracca was good relative to his experience. First game in 1.5 years. Zero AFL experience. Not even a full VFL game experience.

Came in and did some nice things, won some hard ball, and delivered some good passes.

He was far more involved and had more score involvements than Harmes, Kent and Garlett combined.