Jump to content

Discussion on recent allegations about the use of illicit drugs in football is forbidden
  • IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING

    Posting unsubstantiated rumours on this website is strictly forbidden.

    Demonland has made the difficult decision to not permit this platform to be used to discuss & debate the off-field issues relating to the Melbourne Football Club including matters currently being litigated between the Club & former Board members, board elections, the issue of illicit drugs in footy, the culture at the club & the personal issues & allegations against some of our players & officials ...

    We do not take these issues & this decision lightly & of course we believe that these serious matters affecting the club we love & are so passionate about are worthy of discussion & debate & I wish we could provide a place where these matters can be discussed in a civil & respectful manner.

    However these discussions unfortunately invariably devolve into areas that may be defamatory, libelous, spread unsubstantiated rumours & can effect the mental health of those involved. Even discussion & debate of known facts or media reports can lead to finger pointing, blame & personal attacks.

    The repercussion is that these discussions can open this website, it’s owners & it’s users to legal action & may result in this website being forced to shutdown.

    Our moderating team are all volunteers & cannot moderate the forum 24/7 & as a consequence problematic content that contravenes our rules & standards may go unnoticed for some time before it can be removed.

    We reserve the right to delete posts that offend against our above policy & indeed, to ban posters who are repeat offenders or who breach our code of conduct.

    WE HAVE BUILT A FANTASTIC ONLINE COMMUNITY AT DEMONLAND OVER THE PAST 23 YEARS & WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THE CLUB WE LOVE & ARE SO PASSIONATE ABOUT.

    Thank you for your continued support & understanding. Go Dees.



Recommended Posts

On ‎26‎/‎12‎/‎2015 at 10:10 PM, Colin B. Flaubert said:

Diamond Joe hey?
I always felt that in some ways that he was forced out by the old school tie network. This was evidenced by the fact that Ron Walker was supposed to be his successor before Joe called out the would be Brutus' in the board's ranks. In some ways, he contributed to his downfall with his crash through or crash style of leadership. 
If Joe had taken Brian Dixon with him then he would have had a chance for greater longevity in my mind. He might have been able to educate him on how to survive the bear pit of MFC politics. From memory however, the board that Joe had to accept as part of the peace deal wanted no part of Dixon and Joe acquiesced to their wishes  with barely a word of protest.

Robert Flower. I know of a lot of people who had no intention of voting against Gutnick until those opposed dragged Flower's name into the mix. Those people were of the belief that Flower would be on the new board, and would not vote against him.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

47 minutes ago, stuie said:

Errrrrr..... He was the President of the club mate. Not saying he was solely responsible, obviously, but he was in charge of the whole place at the time, so probably deserves a little credit hey?

Also, your comment about him "not bothering" to attend the game shows you have no actual idea what you're talking about in regards to Gutnick.

 

Yes he does.. But while off field we were still a mess and the jungle drums were continuing to beat, it was Neale Daniher who held the playing group together and made the sure the politics side of things didn't interfere with his men. 

The 'not bothering' comment is maybe a tad harsh but not unable to attend a Grand Final due to 'Rabbi' for one of the oldest clubs in AFL history in the biggest sport in Australia was unfortunately  not a good look at all.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, dazzledavey36 said:

Yes he does.. But while off field we were still a mess and the jungle drums were continuing to beat, it was Neale Daniher who held the playing group together and made the sure the politics side of things didn't interfere with his men. 

The 'not bothering' comment is maybe a tad harsh but not unable to attend a Grand Final due to 'Rabbi' for one of the oldest clubs in AFL history in the biggest sport in Australia was unfortunately  not a good look at all.

 

I had a little bit to do with that era through work, and the Rev was undeniably the driving force of the entire club around then. People who have no idea how it was internally moan about the culture, but you would never find a tighter group of players who were mates and who would bleed for their coach.

I assume you mean "Sabbath" when talking about Joe missing the Grand Final. Pretty lame to have a crack at him for being held to his strict religious beliefs, but just so you know, he actually made a big plea to his father, who was the leading rabbi in Victoria, to be able to attend the game but was turned down. You may think it's not a "good look" but I think it shows the kind of person he is to put his beliefs before sport, the only thing that's not a "good look" is having a crack at him for that.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, PaulRB said:

Didn't he tip in a couple of mill of his own money? 

Not a great President, but was there when we needed him, committed to the red and blue, and no worse than most presidents we've had.

Why the desire to bring him down? 

BTW, who was the President who sacked Norm Smith and started "the curse"? 

Dr. Don Duffy was president as I recall.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, Crompton's the man said:

It was five and no one could be sure MFC would still exist without that contribution.

 

Like Brian Dixon, it would be good to see him included in the family once again ( never said he was perfect neither - I've read some of the court judgement summaries)

No it wasn't it was supposed to be $3m but he only tipped in $2.75m

Link to comment
Share on other sites

28 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

No it wasn't it was supposed to be $3m but he only tipped in $2.75m

Hahaha "he only tipped in $2.75m."!

You're a <someone who throws things...>

Feel free to name those other MFC President(s) who have contributed more cash?

Edited by PaulRB
  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

13 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

Hahaha "he only tipped in $2.75m."!

You're a <someone who throws things...>

Feel free to name those other MFC President(s) who have contributed more cash?

We would have been better without the cash and the huge disruption he caused to our club.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

19 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

We would have been better without the cash and the huge disruption he caused to our club.

Do you think we'd "...have been better without the cash and the huge disruption..." because those previous Presidents that lead us into the position of wanting to merge (wiki refered to this period as the "decades of disappointment") did better? or because the disruption included the appointment of Daniher who led us to our first GF appearance in a decade?  

Our club had just given up and agreed to merger, which was defeated by Hawks...  It was then thrown to Gutnick to lead, he lead the fund raising with his own cash, appointed Neale Daniher, had us believe in the red and blue again, ...

From Wiki- history - "In the aftermath of the merger meetings, Ridley focused on a compromise with the Demons Alternative to ensure that Melbourne could continue as a viable business. His board co-opted Gutnick and Mark Jenkins onto the board and a truce of sorts was struck between all parties. In the months following the 1996 merger vote, the businessman and Joseph Gutnick became president. He put $3 million of his own money into the club, and sacked Balme as coach midway through the 1997 season. In 1998, under new coach Neale Daniher, the club spent most of the season in the top eight and beat the eventual premiers Adelaide in the Qualifying Final. Melbourne also eliminated St Kilda, but lost to North Melbourne in the Preliminary Final. In 1999 Melbourne finished in the bottom three.

In 2000 Daniher took Melbourne to the Grand Final, but the Demons were convincingly beaten by a rampaging Essendon. The members had expected a new era of success, but in 2001 it was same old story: Melbourne finished 11th. In 2002, although Melbourne again made the finals, Gutnick was voted out by the members."

Link to comment
Share on other sites


4 hours ago, jnrmac said:

No it wasn't it was supposed to be $3m but he only tipped in $2.75m

You can't give any credit for the biggest single donation by any individual to any club.

He had his faults but he tried and put his money where his mouth was, stood up to the AFL and presided over a GF in 2000. 

Not totally hopeless compared to others I would have thought. 

Edited by Redleg
  • Like 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I miss those days at the cricketer arms then March off to,the G to hand out a flogging, Daniher and Northery what great coaches as for Gutnik he's the best president Iv seen in my time he took the club to a GF and from were I'm sitting it could be years before that happens again.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

10 hours ago, stuie said:

Right, so he can be blamed for ruining the culture of the players but not for the success of the players...?

Demonland logic at it's finest.

 

Stuie logic at its lamest.

Joe the President "in charge of the whole place" oversaw major SC breaches then dobbed us in off his own bat. The guy clearly did some major damage to the club by his own actions without consultation. As for player success, that could be attributed to the players and coaches I would have thought. Apart from tipping in money that helped the club survive (which of course is important), he did very little to get us to the GF

Link to comment
Share on other sites

43 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Stuie logic at its lamest.

Joe the President "in charge of the whole place" oversaw major SC breaches then dobbed us in off his own bat. The guy clearly did some major damage to the club by his own actions without consultation. As for player success, that could be attributed to the players and coaches I would have thought. Apart from tipping in money that helped the club survive (which of course is important), he did very little to get us to the GF

Ohhhhhh ok, now I see your logic, as the president he was only responsible for the bad things... Thanks for filling me in WYL.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, stuie said:

Ohhhhhh ok, now I see your logic, as the president he was only responsible for the bad things... Thanks for filling me in WYL.

 

You are a classic at putting words into the mouths of others Stuie. Nothing is more certain in life.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Glad the club seems to be finally in a period of stability both in the football department and at the administration / board level since PJ's arrival.  Can't think of the last time we both club stability plus a promising young list building. Hopefully some bright years ahead... 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

16 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

You are a classic at putting words into the mouths of others Stuie. Nothing is more certain in life.

You just blamed him for all the bad things and gave him 0 credit for the good things. Not sure how that's putting "words in your mouth" for me to then say that's what you did. It's actually factual.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites


Just now, stuie said:

You just blamed him for all the bad things and gave him 0 credit for the good things. Not sure how that's putting "words in your mouth" for me to then say that's what you did. It's actually factual.

 

You make shlt up Stuie, then add a heap of hyperbole into the mix and claim it as fact! Lol!

"All the bad things"??? "0 credit"??? Too funny...

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, stuie said:

Lol, wut? After some of what you dish out here you get offended by that? Amazing.

Yes you offend me Stuie Correct

DO NOT put words in my mouth concerning a topic i have not commented on. 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

Stuie logic at its lamest.

Joe the President "in charge of the whole place" oversaw major SC breaches then dobbed us in off his own bat. The guy clearly did some major damage to the club by his own actions without consultation. As for player success, that could be attributed to the players and coaches I would have thought. Apart from tipping in money that helped the club survive (which of course is important), he did very little to get us to the GF

Having the integrity to clean up dirty corrupt practices in the MFC should be applauded EVERY time. Take a look the the EFC to see where a lack of Integrity and a disregard for the competitions rules leads.

Why should he consult with those in the club whom were quite likely approving or tacitly allowing these practices to go on?

Given the club has been borderline bankrupt for several decades, tipping his own (substantial) monies in should NOT be downplayed.

And he appointed the coach who took us to the GF, which is as much as any good president could hope to do, and more than most presidents of the MFC have done, in this regard.

 

Edited by PaulRB
  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

7 hours ago, PaulRB said:

Having the integrity to clean up dirty corrupt practices in the MFC should be applauded EVERY time. Take a look the the EFC to see where a lack of Integrity and a disregard for the competitions rules leads.

Why should he consult with those in the club whom were quite likely approving or tacitly allowing these practices to go on?

Given the club has been borderline bankrupt for several decades, tipping his own (substantial) monies in should NOT be downplayed.

And he appointed the coach who took us to the GF, which is as much as any good president could hope to do, and more than most presidents of the MFC have done, in this regard.

 

So Joe did no wrong and is the real reason we got to the GF. Got it, thanks.

Playing the nice guys of the AFL will not win us a flag, but comparing us then to Essendon now got me laughing!!! 

Joe's money was important, as I mentioned, but the guy oversaw major damage to the club. As president, he should have consulted. That's what good leaders do.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

19 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

...

Joe's money was important, as I mentioned, but the guy oversaw major damage to the club. As president, he should have consulted. That's what good leaders do.

 

No point in consulting the guilty parties as to whether they should be exposed or not. I think we could guess their response. The only question is was it right to expose the guilt. Many of us think Essendon would have saved both themselves and the game  a lot of pain if they had done so.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

20 minutes ago, sue said:

No point in consulting the guilty parties as to whether they should be exposed or not. I think we could guess their response. The only question is was it right to expose the guilt. Many of us think Essendon would have saved both themselves and the game  a lot of pain if they had done so.

Was Joe not part of the guilty party? Or did he expose it as soon as he arrived? I'm not sure of the timing.

Edit: He came in after the failed merger in '96 and dobbed us in around March '99.

Edited by Moonshadow
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    DEPTH CHARGE by Whispering Jack

    The jubilation on the coach’s face as he danced a celebratory jig by the playing bench after the final siren sounded to record his team’s four-point victory over the Demons when the teams last met, said it all.    On that rainy Friday night at the Adelaide Oval, Ken Hinkley’s young midfield secured much more than four points on offer. The victory over one of the big dogs of the competition after a succession of wins over some of its lesser lights gave his team respect and validation fo

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 5

    TRAINING: Monday 25th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Demon Dynasty & Kev Martin were trackside at Gosch's Paddock today to bring you their observations from training. DEMON DYNASTY'S TRAINING OBSERVATIONS Kade Chandler's left knee heavily strapped. BBB, Spargs & Jake Lever also in rehab group. Jake Bowey solo running separate kicking/sprint/agility drills. Super fine morning / early arvo at Gosch's for the boys to blow out some cobwebs. Choco initially had the light duties / rehab group

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    HIBERNATING by KC from Casey

    When they locked up the rooms for summer at the end of last year’s football season, the rooms gathered cobwebs, the atmosphere became dense and the place developed a sleepy feel. They opened up the rooms to let Casey out to play on Sunday but the team was still hibernating and they missed the bulk of the opening quarter. By the time they worked out it was game on, their opponents from Box Hill had accumulated five goals and, if the game wasn’t over, it might as well have been. For a se

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    A FORK IN THE HAWK by George on the Outer

    For too long in the past, Demon fans became habitually sick and tired of watching the Hawks hand out thrashings to their side. But Melbourne’s empahtic 55-point win at the MCG on Saturday has truly put a fork in the Hawk and turned that history well and truly on its head. The Demons have now won nine of their last ten encounters with the other result, a draw.     And like a fork, it was the multi-pronged options that Melbourne had all across the ground.  It certainly helped that Hawthorn

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports 8

    PREGAME: Rd 03 vs Port Adelaide

    The Demons head on the road for the next 2 weeks as they travel to Adelaide to play Port on Saturday and then have a 5 Day break before facing the Crows in the Gather Round. With injuries to May and Lever who comes in and who goes out?

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 262

    PODCAST: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 25th March @ 8:30pm. Join George, Binman & I as we analyse the Demons victory at the MCG against the Hawks in the Round 02. You questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show. If you would like to leave us a voicemail please call 03 9016 3666 and don't worry no body answers so you don't have to talk to a human. Listen & Chat

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 46

    VOTES: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    Last week Steven May took the lead in the Demonland Player of the Year Award from Jack Viney. Clayton Oliver & Max Gawn round out the Top 4. Your votes for the win/loss against/to the Hawks. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 50

    POSTGAME: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The Demons cruised to an easy 55 point win over the Hawks at the MCG but but paid a heavy toll on the injury front with Steven May & Jake Lever possibly sidelined for a number of weeks.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 357

    GAMEDAY: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    It's Game Day and after mixed results in the first two weeks of the season the Demons have the opportunity to capitalise on their good form last week when they take on the Hawks at the MCG today.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 437
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

  • Podcast 

  • Podcast 

  • Podcast Stream 


    Open Stream in
    New Window
        TuneIn    Opens in New Tab
  • Support Demonland  



  • 2021 Premiership  

  • Social Media 

  • Non MFC Games  

    NON-MFC: Round 03

    Discussion of all the other games that don't involve the Demons in Round 03 ... READ MORE

    Demonland | Round 03

  • Match Preview      

    DEPTH CHARGE by Whispering Jack

    The jubilation on the coach’s face as he danced a celebratory jig by the playing bench after the final siren sounded to record his team’s four-point victory over the Demons when the teams last met, said it all ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 27

  • Latest Podcast      

    PODCAST: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The boys dissected the clinical thrashing of Hawks praising the immense performance of Christian Petracca whilst lamenting the injury toll to our defensive unit ... LISTEN

    Demonland | March 26

  • Training  

    Monday, 25th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Demon Dynasty & Kev Martin were trackside at Gosch's Paddock today to bring you their observations from training ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 25

  • Casey Report      

    HIBERNATING by KC from Casey

    When they locked up the rooms for summer at the end of last year’s football season, the rooms gathered cobwebs, the atmosphere became dense and the place developed a sleepy feel. They opened up the rooms to let Casey out to play on Sunday but the team was still hibernating and they missed the bulk of the opening quarter ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 25

  • PreGame      

    PREGAME: Rd 03 vs Port Adelaide

    The Demons head out on the road for the next 2 weeks as they travel to Adelaide to play Port on Saturday and then have a 5 Day break before facing the Crows in Gather Round. With injuries to May and Lever who comes in and who goes out? ...READ MORE

    Demonland | March 28

  • Match Report      

    A FORK IN THE HAWK by George on the Outer

    For too long in the past, Demon fans became habitually sick and tired of watching the Hawks hand out thrashings to their side. But Melbourne’s empahtic 55-point win at the MCG on Saturday has truly put a fork in the Hawk and turned that history well and truly on its head ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Post Game      

    POSTGAME: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The Demons cruised to an easy 55 point win over the Hawks at the MCG but but paid a heavy toll on the injury front with Steven May & Jake Lever possibly sidelined for a number of weeks ...READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Votes      

    VOTES: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    Last week Steven May took the lead in the Demonland Player of the Year Award from Jack Viney. Clayton Oliver & Max Gawn round out the Top 4. Your votes for the win/loss against/to the Hawks. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 ...READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Game Day      

    GAMEDAY: Round 02 vs Hawthorn

    It's Game Day and after mixed results in the first two weeks of the season the Demons have the opportunity to capitalise on their good form last week when they take on the Hawks at the MCG today ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Training  

    Friday, 22nd March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatcher Kev Martin and I attended the Captain's Run at Gosch's Paddock on this lovely sunny morning to bring you the following observations from the training session ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 22

  • Training  

    Tuesday, 19th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Kev Martin & Walking Civil War attended Tuesday morning's training session at Gosch's Paddock to bring you the following observations ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 19

  • Training  

    Saturday, 16th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Kev Martin and Dee Zephyr wandered down to Gosch's Paddock on Saturday morning to bring you their observations from the Captain's Run in the lead up to Sunday's Round One match against the Bulldogs ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 16

  • Farewell  

    Angus Brayshaw Retires

    After 167 games including the drought breaking Premiership Angus Brayshaw has made the heart breaking decision to medically retire from football as a result of a series of serious head knocks over his nearly decade of footy. We wish Gus all the best and he'll always be a hero at Demonland ... READ MORE

    Demonland | February 22

  • Latest Podcast  

    PODCAST: Koltyn Tholstrup Interview

    I interview the Melbourne Football Club’s newest recruit Koltyn Tholstrup to have a chat about his journey from the farm to the Demons, his first few weeks of preseason training, which Dees have impressed him on the track and his aspirations of playing Round 1 ... LISTEN

    Demonland | December 14

  • Latest Podcast  

    PODCAST: Jason Taylor Interview

    I interview the Melbourne Football Club's National Recruitment Manager Jason Taylor to have a chat about our Trade and Draft period, our newest recruits, our recent recruits who have yet to debut as well as those father son prospects on the horizon ... LISTEN

    Demonland | November 27

  • Next Match 

    .

    Round 03

       vs   

    Saturday 30th March 2024
    @ 07:30pm (AO)

  • MFC Forum  

  • Match Previews & Reports  

  • Training Forum  

  • AFLW Forum  

  • 2024 Player Sponsorship

  • Topics

  • Injury List  


      PLAYER INJURY LENGTH
    Jake Lever Knee Test
    Clayton Oliver Hand Test
    Oliver Sestan Concussion Test
    Steven May Ribs 1 Week
    Lachie Hunter Calf 1 Week
    Daniel Turner Hip 2-3 Weeks
    Charlie Spargo Achilles 2-4 Weeks
    Shane McAdam Hamstring 3-5 Weeks
    Jake Bowey Shoulder 7 Weeks
    Jake Melksham ACL 12-14 Weeks
    Joel Smith Suspension TBA

  • Player of the Year  


        PLAYER VOTES
    1 Christian Petracca 27
    2 Steven May 25
    3 Max Gawn 21
    4 Jack Viney 20
    5 Bayley Fritsch 19
    6 Clayton Oliver 18
    7 Christian Salem 12
    8 Blake Howes 11
    9 Jack Billings 10
    9 Alex Neal-Bullen 10

        FULL TABLE
  • Demonland Interviews 



  • Upcoming Events 

×
×
  • Create New...