Changes vs the Saints

[What 18,810]

I think most supporters will lose interest for the foreseeable future if we drop this game:-

In - Dom Tyson, Jack Grimes

Out - Aaron vandenBerg (injured) , Matt Jones

[The Song Formerly Known As 6,479]

POOP:

INJURY

Mark Stevens has stated that Aaron vandenBerg has a hamstring injury, and will be sidelined for 2-3 weeks.

If you kept him, it's time to trade him now

[Forest Demon 4,681]

What is the issue with vandenBerg? I know he was subbed off injured, but I never heard what the issue was. Hopefully he pulls up ok, and also Viney who looked to reinjure his leg.

Tyson coming back in next week, hopefully fully over his injury, is a huge in for us.

ANB also a big chance to debut.

[KingDingAling 3,593]

In - Tyson, JKH or Michie

Out - Jones, vandenBerg

Hopefully MFC take a conservative approach with ANB.

Round 15 onwards for mine.

[FireOath 290]

In - Tyson.

Out - Jones.

Hopefully MFC take a conservative approach with ANB.

Round 15 onwards for mine.

[ignition. 1,413]

I'd be taking a good look at both Toumpas and Fitzpatrick.

May have done some good things but both liabilities when either under pressure or if the oposition has the ball.

[Dwight Schrute 16,749]

Reckon Viney will be out as well

[titan_uranus 22,290]

I'd be taking a good look at both Toumpas and Fitzpatrick.

May have done some good things but both liabilities when either under pressure or if the oposition has the ball.

Then you'd be taking a good look at the wrong people (and for the wrong reasons).

Don't focus on the junior players (coincidentally, Toumpas played alright today, you only see the mistakes but he was one of about 18 players to make bad mistakes). Focus on the senior players who are continually letting us down instead.

[M C 221]

Changes?

When the opposition has a loose man in defence, start manning him the [censored] up

[Demon Jack 6,277]

Out: Fitzy, Vanders (injury pending)

In: Grimes, Tyson

I love Fitzy but I always thought we were one tall too heavy before the game. Shame about Vanders, hopefully he's able to return straight after the bye. Grimes and Tyson both probably should've played today.

[What 18,810]

Out: Fitzy, Vanders (injury pending)

In: Grimes, Tyson

Oops i forgot Grimes

Absolutely joke he was dropped for todays match

[old dee 22,848]

Out: Jones, vandenBerg, Toumpas, Riley and Newton.

In: Tyson, Grimes and the rest is changing deck chairs but I would honestly have McKenzie before Toumpas or Newton.

[Bombay Airconditioning 5,875]

Didn't realise Grimes was part of midfield rotations.

[picket fence 15,101]

OUTS

Fitz, Toumpas, M Jones, Vanders( inj)

INS

Tyson, Dawes, A N Bullen (to debut)

Also in mix Grimes

[Bombay Airconditioning 5,875]

And someone said during the week we would make 5-6 list changes at seasons end. We will make 11 again, the most allowed per year.

[old dee 22,848]

Didn't realise Grimes was part of midfield rotations.

any position he is better than Toumpas and Newton

[dimmy 1,114]

The only reason I would drop Fitzpatrick would be for team balance. Need him as a second ruck (Grimes as an alternative)

Maybe Matt Jones for Tyson.

Dawes for Pederson (but reluctantly) Maybe after the bye.

Toumpas needs a few games to get into the tempo. His disposal is getting better.

The game gets slower , the more confident you get (See Pendelbury)

We must have a really good side if Grimes cannot get a game.

[old dee 22,848]

And someone said during the week we would make 5-6 list changes at seasons end. We will make 11 again, the most allowed per year.

I did not relaise there was a limit Al.

Why anyone know?

[Dee-licious 1,800]

How are we dropping Toumpas? How?????

Vanders will miss and hopefully that is the only change we will need to make (for Tyson).

St Kilda go tall in the backline so Fitzy will stay.

Not a big M Jones fan but sub awaits him again

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

I'd be taking a good look at both Toumpas and Fitzpatrick.

May have done some good things but both liabilities when either under pressure or if the oposition has the ball.

There was a moment from Toumpas which summed him up for me. He took a mark on the half back flank, was ten metres in the clear and before even turning around to look down the ground he handpassed the ball backwards to Gawn who then turned it over. He just has no attacking instinct and still panics too much, I'm sure his stats look fine but that's about it.

[dee-luded 2,958]

Then you'd be taking a good look at the wrong people (and for the wrong reasons).

Don't focus on the junior players (coincidentally, Toumpas played alright today, you only see the mistakes but he was one of about 18 players to make bad mistakes). Focus on the senior players who are continually letting us down instead.

I think development takes precedence, at a club where confidence is in short supply to aid kids to develop well... play the kids in the winnable games, so they can get some mojo going.

If we want to make good list decisions come seasons end, we have to give the kids a chopout. play them in this Saints game, help them get some confidence &

hunger going, & rest them in the big matches, except for the competative beasts like young Jesse.

Fitzy made a mistake in the goal square, but he was in the right spot, just made a simple instinctive error. one which he won't repeat again, now having it happen to hi.

but he did a great job, body wise out-positioning Pendlebury, up forward for that mark, right place again, right decision... how long has Fitzy been a defender??? how many weeks.

[Forest Demon 4,681]

There was a moment from Toumpas which summed him up for me. He took a mark on the half back flank, was ten metres in the clear and before even turning around to look down the ground he handpassed the ball backwards to Gawn who then turned it over. He just has no attacking instinct and still panics too much, I'm sure his stats look fine but that's about it.

That's a fair criticism. He has always looked for safe options, but even more so the last year or two. I think he well and truly stays in the team, but I would be telling him to back himself more.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

That's a fair criticism. He has always looked for safe options, but even more so the last year or two. I think he well and truly stays in the team, but I would be telling him to back himself more.

I think it's more football smarts, Brayshaw has them in spades. Toumpas, not so much.

[Lord Travis 10,162]

To the people saying drop Toumpas, yes he made a few poor decisions, but overall he actually had a decent game.
He had 21 disposals, 8 contested, 80% efficiency, 5 score involvements, 4 clearances, 3 rebound 50s and 4 tackles. They're decent stats, and he was far from our worst today. We need to let him gain more confidence and build on these games. He's already showing a bit this year. Dropping him would be yet another poor selection decision. I'm sick of him being a scape goat on this site.

Edited June 8, 2015 by Lord Travis

[old dee 22,848]

To the people saying drop Toumpas, yes he made a few poor decisions, but overall he actually had a decent game. He had 21 disposals, 8 contested, 80% efficiency, 5 score involvements, 4 clearances, 3 rebound 50s and 4 tackles. They're decent stats, and he was far from our worst today. We need to let him gain more confidence and build on these games. He's already showing a bit this year. Dropping him would be yet another poor selection decision. I'm sick of him being a scape goat on this site.

Statts are one thing what you do with them is another.

His only saving grace is there is no one unijured at Casey who is better.