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  1. Lucifer's Hero

    Rumour File

    Geelong have lost the plot! "Geelong has turned up the heat on West Coast as it bids for Tim Kelly by demanding a future first-round pick be included in any trade for the contracted midfielder...AFL.com.au understands the Cats have asked for the Eagles' first-round selection in next year's draft in addition to West Coast's existing offer of picks No.20 and No.22". That will be Eagle's pick 15-18 in 2019 - effectively 3 low 1st round picks for someone who has played for one year. Kelly has been terrific but his longevity has not been tested. Think the Cats are dreaming!
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    Jesse Hogan Trade to Freo

    Agreed, I kept quiet but was shattered when there were rumours on here that he might be up for trade. Couldn't cope with he, Tyson and Bernie going simulatneously!
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    Jesse Hogan Trade to Freo

    That we are essentially replacing Hogan with a backman says Hogan is superfluous to our needs ie there really isn't a role for Jessie in our team. That there was talk of playing him in defence (with or without May) reinforces that. We are moving Jessie at the right time and three players for one: May, KK and #23 is a good deal. Assuming, we find a temporary/permanent solution to outside speed with who we have or get, there is every chance we will not have any real weaknesses in our team next year. Sure performances will vary but the team overall will be very strong.
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    Jesse Hogan Trade to Freo

    " Port Adelaide – which hold picks 6 and 10 – and Adelaide (8 and 13) were both working on ways...to acquire pick five". https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/no-5-is-alive-as-sa-clubs-try-to-claim-local-talent-20181016-p50a10.html So who will end up holding pick 5: Lions, Freo, Demons, Suns, Port, Crows? I wouldn't put it past Freo to trade Neale for #5 + something (mooted to be a Coll 1st round pick for Beams), then cash in #5 with Crows/Power or keep it for themselves. Freo can't lose: Get Hogan on the cheap by offering a lower round 1 pick from the SA club (plus something) or take the SA picks to the draft.
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    Jesse Hogan Trade to Freo

    This whole trade period has become a farce!! Deliberately holding back announcing deals for Foxtel is ludicrous. Not one deal of significance has gone thru. Pending: Shiel Wingard Scully Lobb Kelly Beams Neale Hogan May That is a lot to get done in a few hours. Wouldn't be surprised if they start filming at Noon to make sure the paperwork is done in time. Then edit it down to a few hours to make it 'interesting and to look 'live' but delay putting it to air.
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    Jesse Hogan Trade to Freo

    How do you know - Mahoney was suggesting otherwise...
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    The Steven May Thread

    I agree. With 5 they will have 2, 3, 5, 19, 24, 29, plus some later picks. With the 3 state league players coming in they don't have enough list spots to use all their picks - at my last count they have 3 spots (after May and Kade K go). I can see one of 19, 24, 29 coming back to us for some of our back end 2019 picks (3rd/4th round). They are keen to get points for next year's academy players so that sort of pick swap really works for them. I am only guessing but this is what makes sense to get a fair deal on May and it helps GCS with their 2019 list management. As an aside, if anyone thinks we shouldn't help GCS it is worth remembering that they helped us get Oliver, even after Howe put a spanner in the works and detoured to Pies.
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    The Steven May Thread

    GCS Update on May and Kade: Cameron suggested Brisbane’s pick five, which could go to Fremantle for Lachie Neale before moving to Melbourne for Hogan, would provide the linchpin for any May deal...we’re at the end of that chain and we’ll wait and see what happens," he said. "We’ll get something done with Kade either today or tomorrow," Cameron said...If they come to us with something around Steven then it might be tied into that, that’s a fair way off as I said." http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-16/may-happy-to-move-to-a-victorian-club The key point for me is pick 5 is the linchpin for a May deal ie there will be other +/- . I read that as GCS adding to May with picks or player(s) depending on when it gets done.
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    Jesse Hogan Trade to Freo

    I didn't take @Leoncelli_36comments as a criticism and its a reasonable question/concern. Mahoney said: “For our scenario, there’s a few of the bigger decisions that need to be made, and then other decisions will fall off the back of that.” http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2018-10-08/day-one-trade-wrap As the bigger decisions (Hogan/May) haven't been made we simply don't know what the 'other decisions' are (except maybe KK) so its fair to raise the question of what other deals are held up or will be missed.
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    Jesse Hogan Trade to Freo

    Hilarious!! Thanks for a few laughs on a dull day. Perfectly, described!!
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    Delisting, Trade and FA discussion 2018

    LINE-BREAKING midfielder Aaron Hall has been traded from Gold Coast to North Melbourne. The Roos handed over a fourth-round draft pick (No.68) to seal the deal, as reported by AFL.com.au on Monday. Quite a few seemingly good players are being traded at picks 50+ : Kent, Lycett, Rohan, Scully, Hall, Sam Lloyd and I'm sure there are others. Just shows that most clubs are about cleaning up their list than sweating over picks.
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    Jesse Hogan Trade to Freo

    Adelaide will likely wait till player trading is over tomorrow night and do something with picks in the following two days when pick trading is allowed (but no player trade). So, by that time it will be too late to 'Get May'. Or Adelaide wait till trade night and Live Pick Trading. Just can't see Adelaide doing a pick trade deal before player trading closes. If they were willing Freo would do it with pick 5 first. The way I see it happening is that Freo will do a deal with Brisbane even if it requires a back flip by Bell and take 5 (and maybe a late pick sweetener to 'save face') then shaft us as much as he can on the Hogan deal. In which case they will probably take pick 5 to the draft and cash in on the night - it will be worth more then than in the next week if (as is highly likely) one of the SA lads is still available.
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    Jesse Hogan Trade to Freo

    Many of us feel that way. But if the two picks are for example, 11 and 16 there isn't much point if it doesn't get the May deal done. I'm sure we could draft two very good players at 11 and 16 but that is not mfc's end game this year. The end game is: 'Get May'. There is a reason the club would be prepared to accept 23 as part of the deal. For all we know the club could be indifferent on players available between pick 15 and 25 so we may get the player type we want at 23. And by all accounts the draft falls away quickly after pick 7. So I would rather 5 and 23 than two first round picks so we can 'Get May' and keep 23 for the draft (or pick upgrade).
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    Jesse Hogan Trade to Freo

    This is significant. As you imply any in-principle agreements happened before Bell started his job. On starting he naturally asks for a trade update, doesn't like what he sees, delves deeper, still doesn't like it and stops everything. Upshot - tries to keep Neale and not so keen on Hogan. That is fair enough and to be honest I wouldn't give any player with a foot injury 8 years either, regardless of the $$ he wanted. As we now know, the problem is so many other deals are dependent on Bell making decisions. Analysis time is over!
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    Jesse Hogan Trade to Freo

    The trade process has built into it a mediation phase for when clubs cannot agree on a trade. I think It is essential to have the mediation process so that difficult trades get done and so that the current Freo position causing a log jam for about 6 players is cleared. IIR the last time it was used was the Ryder trade to Port.