I like your list Viney4pm but I reckon you missed a few. What about: Dawes who takes a mark about once every 3 weeks and never overhead. Jamar who wins lots of ruck taps, most of which go to the opposition and who does nothing around the ground. McDonald whose kicking is as bad as anyone in the team and his handball is about as good as his kicking. Garland who is as slow as a wet week. I was at the G today and the only player I could see who deserved his match payment was big Max Gawn who took a lot of good marks and would have taken a lot more if our own players hadn't kept spoiling him. That was the worst performance I have seen for a long time (if not ever) and I have been a Demon supporter for a long, long time. That team played like they had never played a game of football in their lives. They can't mark, kick, tackle or handball and they make basic errors time after time. They were pathetic and someone should tell them if they think they are playing flat out - they are kidding themselves.