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    Impact of rule changes

    Background All rule changes that have been introduced to the AFL have some impact. Some rule changes address the intended (perceived) issue. An example is the not having to wait for the goal umpire to signal a goal to kick out. It was introduced to keep the game moving and to make it less difficult to clear the defensive zone. And i think has been relatively successful in achieving these aims. Certainly offensive teams would rather a boundary throw in in the forward pocket than score a point. Another example of a rule change that addresses the intended issue has been the deliberate out of bounds rule adjustment where players have to make every attempt to keep it in. There are less kicks to the boundary line now wit the result that the ball stay in play more. Some rule changes have mixed results in terms of addressing the intended issue, outlawing the third man up rule being one example. And some rule changes don't address the intended issue at all. The below the knees rule is good example. It was introduced to reduce the risk of injury - specifically leg injuries- but i think you could mount a case it has increased risk as players are staging for it and the schmuck going for the ball gets bot in his head for his trouble. Think Angus Brayshw against the Hawks However, whether rule changes are effective, partly effective or ineffective there will always, to a greater or lesser degree, be unintended consequences of rule changes. For example with the change to deliberate team will sometime concede that free kick but try and kick 60 meters and then set up their defence. And players are getting better kicking 'for touch' and my feeling is players are more often spiking the ball over the lien as that (stupidly) doesn't get paid as deliberate. Often the unintended consequence is related to how it is governed - eg the stupidity of having to nominate ruck man - or how it is interpreted - eg deliberate or below the knees Discussion This year there are 9 rule changes. A big number by any measure. I'm curious what posters think the impact of the new rule changes will be on both the dees and the competition as a whole. On the latter point one thing i would like to get a handle on is the impact on scoring. One clear objective of the introduction of these rule is higher scoring. The strong trend to lower scores is a real worry for the AFL and these rules aim to address that trend Note: i'm not convinced by the rule changes. But my interest here is not whether they are good rule changes but what the impact will be. That said i understand much will depend on implementation and interpretation, so interested in views on that too as that will be factor in the success of the rule change. I have had a go at answering the question of impact and potential implementation and interpretation issues for the first rule change - and keen on other's views (for that rule change and the others). At some point i'll come back to the others and edit this post to include my thoughts (have run out of time atm) Note: i understand this is obviously a hypothetical exercise and we won't really know the impact until the end of the season. So guesses are just that and the impacts are all by definition potential impacts. The changes Traditional playing positions at centre bounces Clubs must have six players inside both 50m arcs, with one player inside the goalsquare. Four midfield players must start inside the centre square with the two wingmen stationed along the wing. Impact on competition: will create an even greater reward and therefore incentive to get center clearances and quick forward entries Will stop teams putting a spare behind the ball at centre bounces (though the 'wingman' will be able to roll back easily enough) - but obviously this will still occur in play Will the above put an emphasis on good one on on defenders such as McGovern? The teams with the best midfields will be even further advantaged Will help the best tap ruck man - Gawn, Grundy, Martin Might marginally take away some advantage of skilled intercept players like rance (in so far as teams can't have spare at centre bounces) Might we see the return of the specialized wingman? Likely to be some defensive and offensive innovations in terms of set ups and structure at center bounces Will the 'wingers' set just outside the 50 metre arc and fold back in as n extra defender? Impact on dees: We are already the highest scoring team - we will be harder to stop now Will stop Goody running two extra defenders off the HB (which he was doing less of anyway) Suits our contested ball winning midfield beasts We have the best tap ruck man - Gawn Might create some opportunity for Hunt, KK, Fritter and Stretch to play as specialized wingman May might be helped by 6 v 6 at centre bounce set up given his strength Potential implementation and interpretation issues: It might be easier said then done to determine if bot tams have their sick inside the arc if they start pushing right up the line Centre clearances straight from the ball up don't happen all that often so it may not have the impact the league is hoping for in terms of stopping teams putting players behind the ball Kick-ins At kick-ins, a player will no longer need to kick to himself to play on from the goal square. Following a behind, the man on the mark will be brought out to 10m from the top of the goal square, rather than the existing five metres. Impact on competition: Impact on dees: Potential implementation and interpretation issues : Marks and free kicks in defence When defenders mark or receive a free kick within nine metres of their own goal, the man on the mark will be brought in line with the top of the goalsquare. Runners and water carriers Impact on competition: Impact on dees: Potential implementation and interpretation issues : Team runners may only enter the playing surface after a goal has been kicked and must exit before play restarts. Impact on competition: Impact on dees: Potential implementation and interpretation issues : Water carriers are not permitted to enter the playing surface during live play. Impact on competition: Impact on dees: Potential implementation and interpretation issues : Umpire contact Players will be prohibited from setting up behind the umpire at centre bounces. Impact on competition: Impact on dees: Potential implementation and interpretation issues : 50m penalties The player with the ball: Must be allowed to advance the mark by 50m without the infringing player delaying the game. Will be able to play on while the 50m penalty is being measured out. Kicking for goal after the siren Impact on competition: Impact on dees: Potential implementation and interpretation issues : A player who has been awarded a mark or free kick once play has ended: Will now be able to kick across their body using a snap or check-side kick BUT must kick the ball directly in line with the man on the mark and the goal. Impact on competition: Impact on dees: Potential implementation and interpretation issues : Marking contests The 'hands in the back’ rule interpretation has been repealed so a player can now: Place his hands on the back of his opponent to protect his position in a marking contest PROVIDED he does not push his opponent in the back. Impact on competition: Impact on dees: Potential implementation and interpretation issues : Ruck contests: prior opportunity A ruckman who takes direct possession of the ball from a bounce, throw-up or boundary throw-in will no longer be regarded as having had prior opportunity. Where there is uncertainty over who is the designated ruckman, the ruckman for each team will still be required to nominate to the field umpire. Impact on competition: Impact on dees: Potential implementation and interpretation issues :
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    Misson Leaving at End of 2019

    Going into comedy apparently
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    Training - Tuesday 12th February, 2019

    That makes zero sense. We were cooked against wc because our last three home and easy game were like finals , we didn't make top 4, played our third final across the other side of country, in the heat against a side coming off a weeks rest. Surprise, surprise the team that finished top 4 and had a weeks break won the gf. We needed to finish top 4. A very large part of why we didn't was the interrupted pre seasons of key players in tmac and viney. And the hawks, swans and cats all hit the wall last year. The swans"s season never got going in large part due to having lots of players coming into the season under done.
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    Training - Tuesday 12th February, 2019

    I don't understand this post (and similar ones)? Who is complaining? Of course we would all love there to be no injuries. Of course the club will 'get on with it the best they can'. Of course the fitness team will do a good job, just as they have done in the last few years. And the less than ideal rehab and injury list won't necessarily derail our season. We remain one of the premiership favorites for a reason. We bat deep now and as has been pointed out most players in rehab are still maintaining their fitness and we only have one key serious injury (lever). But our rehab and injury list is a factor that should be considered when assessing our season and how we might go this season. Why is there a problem acknowledging or discussing this issue? Its not being negative or all doom and wish. It is just dealing in reality.
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    Injury List - Season 2019

    True nuff. But as Buttifant notes the impact of interrupted preseasons is not just related to recovery and fitness, but also to understanding game plan and implementing new strategies (eg because players can't participate in drills and simulations). On measuring or assessing the impact during the season it is very hard to do - certainly from where we sit. Every year we find out post season that players who appeared to be out of form were in fact carrying niggles they had all season(Jones wit his neck being a good example) or never got to 'full fitness'.
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    Injury List - Season 2019

    All well and good. Except for the fact that accepted wisdom of experts is that individual players who have interrupted pre season rarely ever get to optimal fitness and teams that have a high number of players in rehab during the off season invariably feel that impact though the season, including the back half. Sam McClure interviews 'sports science guru' David Buttifant about this vert topic. Interesting stuff: https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=331320
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    Training - Tuesday 12th February, 2019

    As you say many players have have had interrupted preseasons because of a range of issues, notably in a high number of cases surgery. The whole team has had shorter pre seasons because of where we finished - which certainly would have an impact on how much conditioning they can put into players. Whilst in of itself this is not huge - and is an issue all successful clubs have to deal with - it absolutely compounds the first issue (interrupted preseasons). Further compounding the problem is because of how far we got into finals any required surgeries were later than say the previous year. So less time to recover and get ready for the 2019 season. There is zero doubt that the number of players who have had interrupted preseasons will have a negative impact on our season. Zero. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous (to be clear i know you are not making that suggestion PD). How big an impact is obviously the question but it will be significant. I heard the fitness guy (ex Magpies i think) David Buttifant being interviewed by Sam McClure on SEN making this exact point ie having multiple players with interrupted preseason has a very big impact: https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=331320 He made the point that the impact was not just related to recovery and fitness, but also to understanding game plan and implementing new strategies (eg because players can't participate in drills and simulations). They compared us and Collingwood, with the pies basically having no players having had any interruptions (with the exception of 2 long term injuries, Dunn and another and rookie) and us with our truckload of rehabbing players. The comparison was not favorable.
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    AFLW on the main board

    The tribe has spoken. Big ups to the big kohuna for listening.
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    AFLW on the main board

    Yep, good idea. My vote is firmly on having the AFLW on the main board - or at least the game thread.
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    New Major Sponsor - Jaguar CONFIRMED

    Nope, sorry Sue they're useless. Besides they have made a formal announcement with a media release.
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    New Major Sponsor - Jaguar CONFIRMED

    The club is preparing their advertisement for tomorrow's daily broadsheet (perhaps in the announcements pages - they are still deciding), considering an advertisement in the Truth and is working up a post for MySpace.
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    New Major Sponsor - Jaguar CONFIRMED

    Yes, well, no surprise really. Unfortunately. I'd be none too impressed if i was the jaguar exec in charge of the sponsorship deal or their comms department. Ask yourself. Did i use Demonland to keep updated about this announcement or the MFC website? If the answer is the former then that tells you all you need to know about where our comms is at as a club. If you answered the latter you probably don't know we have new BOJ sponsor.
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    King: Oliver better than Cripps & Bont

    A nod to Star trek? A scary, manic ball winner from the house of demon?
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    King: Oliver better than Cripps & Bont

    I have been reading the thread title as: King Oliver better than Cripps & Bont It never occurred to me I had misread it. Only realised just then i had been. King Oliver has a nice ring to it. I'm going to start using it.
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    Impact of rule changes

    Umpire contact Players will be prohibited from setting up behind the umpire at centre bounces. Impact on competition: the only impact i can see is that some teams might run 'set plays' that involve setting up behind an umpire, or perhaps use the umpire to help break a tag. So minimal to no impact i would have thought Impact on dees: see above Potential implementation and interpretation issues: who calls the free? obviously the officiating umpire can't, so would have to be one of the others. In which case they are a fair way away. What constitutes behind the umpire ie how far away can they be to not be deemed setting up behind the umpire? I assume there is a set distance, but how will a non officiating umpire measure it? I'm predicting this rule will at some point result in a completely baffling free kick that changes the course of a game. I look forward also to the first time it is paid. I predict the commentators will give it an inordinate amount of air time.
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    Round 1 team 2019

    I assume you mean you would only play Hunt at hb? I take your point about his difficulty hitting targets inside 50 - his kicking is a concern wherever he plays. But better kicking inside 50 than from defence and his bomb it style suits our strategy of long chaos ball kicks into our 50.
  17. Why are they playing it in the morning? Surely they could play it say 5:30, allowing people to come after work. Which is what they did 2 (maybe 3?) years ago. The place was packed and it was terrific to have a bevvie and watch the dees (it was an intra club game).
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    Round 1 team 2019

    Yep, not a bad lineup PD. I assume that is how you would select the team, not a prediction of the lineup. To be honest i don't really know enough about Hore, so will take your word for it. I can't see Salem playing wing and Hunt at HB. I can see the opposite however. Hunt's kicking is not good enough for HB (so important to have good kicks there) and he isn't great one on one. Salem has become a natural defender and is our best kick hunts pace will be best used on the wing i think. I'm not sure if i would pick Pruess, probably not, but in terms of predicting the round one lineup i think he will play. i don't think Hore will play, don't think KK will (but won't be surprised if he does) and suspect Smith will play up forward.
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    Opposition Watch: Rd 1 vs Port Adelaide

    On a confidence scale is that behind #Takeittothebank ?
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    Impact of rule changes

    Really interesting question. Players regularly stand close to the player on the mark to block that side. As I understand it there is no rule against doing so. As you point out doing that from 9 metros away would have more of an impact because the player kicking out would get much more space to run into.
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    Demonbracket 2019 - voting under way

    I just opened this thread for the first time. ANB beat Omac? What the [censored]? Is there a repercharge?
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    Impact of rule changes

    Marks and free kicks in defence When defenders mark or receive a free kick within nine metres of their own goal, the man on the mark will be brought in line with the top of the goal square. Impact on competition: can't imagine it will have a huge impact, but will mean it is less tricky clearing the ball from the last line as defenders won't be hemmed in against the boundary or goal line. Impact on dees: none Potential implementation and interpretation issues: might create some confusion early doors but after that pretty easy to work out - assuming the umpires can work out how far 9 metres is and how to draw an imhgainary straight line from the top of the square Runners and water carriers Team runners may only enter the playing surface after a goal has been kicked and must exit before play restarts. Water carriers are not permitted to enter the playing surface during live play. Impact on competition: it will be really interesting to see what impact the runner rule change has. In theory it will mean players will have to make more decisions. But the runner will still get plenty of chances to relay messages in most matches and no doubt players coming on and off the filed will be given instructions to pass on and act as de facto runners. Will negatively clubs with young lists and those clubs who use the runner to stand in zones (something i hate). Can't see the water carrier rule change making any difference. Impact on dees: We are a pretty mature group now, with improving on field leadership and a good understanding of the game plan and team rules. The rule should work in our favour. Will suit smart players like big maxy who can make on field calls (like the one he made against the hawks to push forward) and direct teammates. Potential implementation and interpretation issues: not sure what the penalty is for a runner or water carrier coming onto the filed when they shouldn't or who is responsible for policing these rules. How will the central umpire know when the runner is off. Do they need to come of through the interchange? So those issues might cause problems. Also play will not restart until a runner comes off. How will that work. What if they stroll off? Might be a ploy to hold up play eg to stop momentum.
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    Training - 2nd February, 2019 @ Maroochydore

    i understand the focus of pumping resources into the the football department as a priority. Which was PJ's approach. But really now that we have more resources they need to invest in growing our membership. The way to grow our membership is to get kids and young people supporting our club. In this day and age the way to connect and engage with kids and young people is through quality online content and social media. Neither of my kids watch any free to air TV. At all. It is all youtube and Instagram and in my son's case also NBA.com. The only time my son mentions anything about the dees is when something pops up in his Instagram feed. Burgs was fine but he wasn't the issue. The turn of the century approach to media and content is the issue. Get with the program dees. Invest. Develop some quality content t (like down the ground video, analysis etc) and not just 90 seconds rubbish clips, longer content (eg 15 mins). Fans will consume it and cast to their TVs or watch on their devices. I would. Sort out the social media aspect. Sort out a proper Youtube presence (the Dees MFC site is embarrassing). Simple really. But requires an investment
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    Training - 2nd February, 2019 @ Maroochydore

    Not sure where you got that idea from.
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    Training - 2nd February, 2019 @ Maroochydore

    You sure? Looks like they photoshopped my left arm into that shot.
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