How long is it going to take you all to realise?? Our players' issue is not that we're arrogant, its that we go to water in the face of expectation. We choked because that is what we do when we have something to lose. When we have nothing to lose, are not expected to win, we play great football. Thats why as soon as we beat west coast, we went to [censored]. Because we had something to lose. Its been this way for a number of years. Only thing that temporarily halted the rot was jack vineys 1st qtr against port.