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100% agree with you on Jones, it was awesome to see him be so damaging. To have the captain delivering the ball like that... I hope it was a turning point and he continues that form. This is the game of the coaches. We're better on paper but Clarkson is a master coach- I dislike the scramble-ball style, it's beneath the talent we have. With Jones and Hogan, Goody seems to be building roles and a style that's yet to fully realise. Against the precision opposition, on the MCG, I suspect this could be the game we'll see it...

An MFC development in your park could be better than the triangle on Punt Rd. An unlikely prospect, but a new oval and sport complex with admin remaining in the MCG would be an incredible outcome to finally resolve the homeless situation of our home training facility. Totally agree the idea blockbuster games being a target versus smaller games makes little sense. More likely they’re confident in the blockbuster crowds turning up without cars.

Horrible planning, part of a Melbourne conspiracy to end cars near the CBD. HOWEVER, given the agenda to remove cars and parking, this leaves a rather large land area right next to the MCG that would very nicely suit an MFC development...

That's how I understand it also. And picks 4 or 5 seem fair. However, we pride ourselves on being 'fair' when we could've been ruthless, it's the same at the tribunal. The honourable club. At some stage PJ will surely cash these chips?

This would be amazing if he could apply himself to that level. Who knows if he can, or will have the chance. If the MFC were definitively cutting him from the outset, it was a strange way to go about it.

Only heard Jimmy Bartel recently talking up Menzel as wanting a multi year deal, that Geel are majorly low balling and only 1yr. It would seem there's a few Cats that aren't happy at the moment. Could be a spiteful exit, good terms for whomever wants to make a decent offer. He's injury prone obviously, but very good when firing.

How do you even argue with this? MFC have shown him the door. Jack will nominate a club. Not much leverage. Pretty simple reality.

Agree, it's a reasonable trade. Although doubt we'd get 20 from Geel. Watts' been seriously damaged in value and that's on the high side of estimates. However Geel have their own issues with Menzel, good player, great skills, could take 33 and Menzel? Balances the deal with Crows better and nets a good player. Ok- Menzel is FA. Ignore the above. Still a good player that could fill a role Watts had. More relevantly- how amazing to be the BIG trade headline. Lever is a big fish. We've arrived.

I don't understand this post, are you saying this is actually happening?? Watts has been told to explore options, so surely he will nominate a club first. Only then could the club start even having preliminary discussions like this. Or are you saying he has nominated Sydney? Wouldn't that be an odd move at the same time as touring another club? I had originally thought Sydney would be his destination but Geel seem like a better fit to me and the media seem to think Port. Given Zac has been mentioned I can see how a hypothetical fan trade could be discussed in forums, but officially from the club, that would be very poor form all things considered.

Clarry. So good to see that. Hibberd for sure should've been top three? Guess it's a midfield award as they say. Lewis is another two years, no? Seems good for it, for sure

According to my mail, the afl site, he's off touring Geel today. Hearing JT speak last night, acknowledging their friendship, I am disappointed that Watts with all his talent doesn't seem to have the drive. Surely he doesn't lack for inspiration. Disappointed we cut JT even more than Watts actually. Sure Watts has the potential. But if it's about building culture and valuing application, then I'm lost.

I believe the idea is to become this vision. Leave the sad alphabets behind

Think his point was pretty clear. Good players both of them not performing at their best. You're pretty sure of your opinions on Watts, most people here are balanced about him having weaknesses and maybe those aren't good enough going forward. But you try way too hard to put him down to nothing. Something about being embarrassed in front of your mates? Maybe you should harden up!

From a results point of view, we failed to meet the expectation (to make finals) so it would seem a fair assessment to not pass or fail his record as a coach yet. I wanted what Goodwin said he would get, the best of Jack Watts. However, he clearly can't make that happen. Roos showed Jack could be coached, said trading him would be a mistake. Not only is Goodwin saying he's unable to coach a player with immense talent, but he's also giving him up for nothing.

Can't seriously rank players like this, Brayshaw on potential? Lewis ignoring his age? NB after one ok season? Aside from the fact all are players with completely different attributes.