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Last year. You know, Goodwin's rookie year. We beat Gold Coast in round 10. We had the bye in round 11. We beat Collingwood in round 12. We beat Footscray in round 13. We beat West Coast in round 14. That's 4 in a row. We also did the double road trip with wins over West Coast and Adelaide. We broke the Saints hoodoo. We broke the Etihad hoodoo with wins over Essendon, Footscray, and of course St Kilda. But I mainly posted to show you we did in fact win 4 games in a row. I have some tasty humble pie for you.

Yep, Clint summed it up. Fritsch is a 21 year old who already shows courage in the air. Jack runs around with the intensity of an indoor cat and has virtually no impact on the game.

I mistakenly gave you more credit. Apologies.

Not for a coach,but as a supporter it would help you. So reactionary.

I'm not talking about how you felt the week after, I'm talking about how you felt after the round 8 win. Clearly, you get my point. Your views wax and wane far too much over singular results, such as round 23 in what was year 4. Richmond were down by 90 points at half-time in round 16 year 8. They went on to lose by 80 to a non finalist. They're now a premiership team. Bad, even shocking, days happen. In isolation they mean little when you're discussing a developing team. Brereton has verbal diarrhea, but he has a keen insight into footy. For years he (rightly) hasn't rated us. This morning he said he wasn't overly worried by the loss and said we may find by round 16 that Melbourne are serious players. You, and others, should take a deep breath and stsrt analysing blocks of 4 weeks and not just one game, let alone quarters, as some do. Seemingly, intelligent people become simpletons when it comes to football (not specifically talking about you here).

You haven't answered my question. What were your thoughts after round 8 last year when we knocked off Adelaide in Adelaide by 8 goals ?

Goodwin has suffered his first 10 goal loss in his 26 game coaching career at the dees and you now have severe doubts about him ? What were your thoughts after round 8 last year when we knocked off Adelaide in Adelaide by 8 goals ?

You tell us ? I have a view that I'm certain about, but why don't you articulate yours ?

I can understand how one might extrapolate a player's journey and conclude the timelines are the same for a coach, but it's too simplistic and narrow a view. Coaches need to develop their mind, game-plan, tactics, player development, and management skills. An 18 year old player who comes in at 75kg will need 5 preseasons to get his body ready to regularly withstand the rigours of AFL footy. A coach doesn't have those physical limitations. The journey for a coach, who has already done an apprenticeship under a senior coach/es and is surrounded by assistants and experienced mentors, such as McCartney, can reach coaching's zenith far quicker than most players will reach their footballing equivalent. There are some similarities in that some coaches will simply be better than others. Another is that a player is limited by the quality of his teammates, while a coach is limited by the talent at his disposal, but the length of development for either isn't parallel. Goodwin beating an eventual grand finalist in Adelaide on their home deck in his rookie year is the equivalent of a skinny 18 year old kicking 8 goals plus in his 8th game. As I said, it's too simplistic and narrow to compare timelines. Goodwin is already a great people manager if one listens to reports coming out of the club from day one. He's already had significant coaching victories. He's also a 300 game premiership player who captained his club. He can get things right in the coaches box and training track far quicker than you're insinuating. The players on the other hand are a slower burn. Most successful rebuilds take 7 years + due to the club's list/age profile. A total rebuild is (almost) just that. We're in year 5 of ours. So your 2020 marker is probably accurate, but not necessarily for the reasons you mention. And that's nowhere near a "long, long time away" for me. It will also be a period of sustained success. I'm excited by it.

Yes

Talia Easily

Lever played alongside an All Australian key defender in Talia. Talia is a better defender than Tom McDonald.

Frawley is a $%#@carter.

Who's our matchup for Jacob Townsend ? He's kicked 24 goals in his last 9 games and was assigned Lever on GF day. He's 187cm. Our defensive matchups will be fascinating. When Martin is going forward he's playing full-forward and Riewoldt roams high. Who takes Martin when he's at FF ? Clearly not Oscar or Frost. He's way too fast for the former and way too smart for the latter. Hunt is the same size as Martin with the same sort of speed. Is it him ? No, as we lose his drive and he's never really played the super tight role. Is it Hibberd, or Vince ? We don't want to lose Hibberd's drive either. Maybe it's Vince. Wagner is the right size, but he'd make mince meat of Wagner. Does Wagner keep his spot and go to Townsend ? is Oscar agile enough to handle Riewoldt ? Is Frost smart enough and tight enough to take Riewoldt ? He's athletic enough. But Riewoldt would have a field day. Who's Oscar's matchup in this game ? Does he take Townsend, who tends to play deep, or do they back him in against Riewoldt ? It's not as simple as just dropping players. Matchups and form will dictate selection.

I assume the Casey team is finalised today ?