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I get the "finger pointers" argument. I get that you think we didn't play hard or hold our nerve. It's such a simple argument how could anyone not "get" it or separate it ? My delusional Brother won't move on either. He's boring me to tears. What you seemingly don't get is that I let the cobbler's cobble. I'm not privy to every decision they make and I'm not going to second guess why they didn't play harder. Maybe it was a sign of good faith to Jake to get it done quickly in a trade they deemed fair. Maybe they wanted to keep their good reputation to get deals done. Maybe they couldn't be certain how things would pan out if Adelaide didn't blink and other permutations came into play. But guess what ? I DON'T CARE. I'm not paid to do their job. I think the deal is fair, for reasons I've already outlined, and I've moved beyond the cost price. Naturally, you can please yourself. As for your personal remarks... It's my opinion that some are "bleating". If you find that offensive you're a snowflake. It's just my opinion. It's a word. How it can offend you is extraordinary. I haven't used the term "babies", so you're incorrectly aligning that to my postings.

Up to you. I'm not invested in your emotions either way.

If you want an insight to Lever read this excellent article by Emma Quayle back in 2014. It shows his determination, his leadership, his preparation, his drive, and his competitiveness. We've got a guy with the same type of steely resolve as Viney joining the club. They've already had a boxing session in Richmond together. What price do you put on an individual with these traits ? Anyone have any idea how important Luke Hodge was to Hawthorn's success ? It's guys like Viney and Lever that help clubs become great. http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-draft-how-draft-prospect-jake-lever-found-other-ways-to-be-noticed-20141109-11jc35.html

Two pick 10s for Lever ? You wouldn't hesitate to get a proven 21 year into your club. He's worth at least pick one, if not more. Some bleat and all I think about is Lever, Hogan, Petracca, Viney, Oliver, Brayshaw, Hunt, and Salem growing together. We're the envy of the competition yet some can't see past losing a probable pick next year in the teens. I'm glad I'm wired differently to some of you. These two will be happy to be on the same side.

Steven Smith was OK. But little more than that.

You know you've been pathetic for 50 years when key defenders of the calibre of Danny Hughes and Steven Smith are making teams. I'm not saying that's wrong by the way, just an indictment.

I've never opened the Scully thread, so don't know what it's about. but I'd like this to go for longer. Is it possible ?

Good effort, although Grinter wouldn't make my second side let alone the first.

Thanks, Beard. I have that nong on ignore, but your reference in this instance is welcomed.

I'm not a Robbo fan, but that is a very good article. Another fun stat ? Watts has 13 Brownlow votes from 153 games. Oliver has 15 from 35.

Flim flam. Secondly, you're assuming my "feelings", although in this instance you're correct. There's no reasonable basis to make your assertion against a first year coach that got his team to the most wins since 2006. Just flaky arguments from afar. How do you think Clarkson went in his first few years ? What is clear is that the players love the coach. This has been clarified by plenty of people with connections to the club. The fact that we come back from so many horrible positions to either win or nearly win shows they listen to him in breaks. The rest will get sorted. There was still a very young team being fielded most weeks. You're making concrete conclusions from weak assumptions, in my opinion.

There was no provocation. You said we paid overs for Lever so I asked you a question. Since when is asking reasonable questions provocation ? But anyway, it's silly to quit over 1 point. I have many more than that. Show a bit of Wattsy style mental resilience. Imagine what he's been through. Throwing in the towel over a lousy point ? Get a grip.

So you've come to this conclusion based on one game ? Just expand a little and I won't have to play "Simon says".

You've come to this conclusion because of one player ?

No worries. We differ.