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  1. Preseason Training - Week commencing 11/12/17

    I dont believe there is a best 22 or every spot available approach. I suggest there is something like a preferred 16 with a play your role 6. The preferred 16 need to be carrying serious injury or significant consistent form loss to be uprooted. They are those that are rushed back in because they are clearly best in positions even when slightly off. Then there are those that make up the 6 that the dependance on how quickly they are in or out is based in long term importance or the consistency of their performance and team first behaviours. For last season I would put Smith, Brayshaw and Weid in the former of this group and players like ANB, Harmes and OMac in this second group.
  2. 2018 Contracts and List Details

    I read somewhere that statistically those best placed for the flag usually have the highest % of list in the 25-29 bracket. I believe we currently sit 17th however we have in 2 years times a massive glut of players that will start to fall into that space to give us a serious window of time to have an extended assault at the flag.
  3. DRAFT DAY 2017

    I know nothing of the players this year but know we need outside speed and class. I will be more excited by type and back in that Taylor has picked the best of that type. If I see two speculative talls and two inside mids I will be deflated.
  4. Could not be happier. Hope he gets a good run at it and fulfills the promise he originally had.
  5. Stewart Crameri to the Dees?

    IF his body passes the test AND he will play purely performance based AND we plan on lining up with a third tall lead up then its worth the risk v reward consideration. He would be contesting with Smith, Weid and AVB in that role so it isn't exactly bad to have another option that is proven at a goal and a half a game.
  6. Liam Ryan

    that answers that then. its a no from me.
  7. Liam Ryan

    Not interested unless rookie. Looks like a human highlight reel with no defensive game. Maybe its just me but a small forward needs to have the ability to also actually play small. Its a no from me unless he's there for the rookie draft.

    Jason Taylor has stated we will be looking over the draft/trade period to increase our midfield depth and possibly look for some small pressure forwards. I can't see how Fritsch fits the bill and in fact seems to fit a role we have depth in already. I doubt we would take him inside 40.

    How is this a huge gamble? At worst you get the existing output of a 21 year old elite intercept defender as already seen. At best you get the expected incremental improvement of a 21 year old 196cm defender over his next 4 years of development into what should be his peak. Skys the limit. Anyone that thinks we paid overs over rates the draft. Even so I suspect we will use 27 and 35 to get back into the top 20 some how. Those that say let him walk to the draft, North have deep pockets and I suspect would have snapped him up before us. Similar to the Hawthorn, Sydney and Geelong models, pick your targets, be open with what you think is fair, get your player and move on.

    Let me get this right. He was taken pick 14 (probably pick 3 on count back of that draft now). Now has 50 games investment in him, enough to be an AA squad member at 21 yet is not worth 10 and 20. What would you want for an out of contract Petracca? I am not saying we pay 10 and 20 but if thats what ends up being required it is fair value.
  11. Farewell Jack Watts

    I like Jack Watts the person. On the field he does things that make me shake my head in disbelief, unfortunately these are at both extremes. I feel sorry that we did not set him up for success in his early years but he is now a man who has had great support and development around him and needs to take accountability for not maximising his potential in the last 3 at a minimum. He is a 150 game player with one top 5 B&F finish for a club that has been appalling for most of his time. This year he featured in our best players only 6 times but never in the top 2. He is not quite a key forward and not quite a mid and he is too inconsistent to be a quality flanker. He may become a better rounded player but why that would occur in an environment he is comfortable in, surrounded by his mates, where he is adored by most supporters and sponsors is beyond me. It is most likely that we continue to see the cycle of promising games and then a loss of consistency as hard work does not come naturally to him. It is highlighted how much he is loved by team mates which to me highlights the risk that his ways tarnish the young guns we are trying to develop in our new culture. The old trade week adage of you've got to give something to get something is exactly what we are seeing with interest in Jack but truthfully this is so much more than the pick or player we get in return. This is us shedding the final parts of our old culture. This shows that close enough is no longer good enough, inconsistency is not excused and skirting by on potential is not acceptable. After seeing us do everything we could to not take a final spot in the final 2 rounds it is exactly the type of ruthless shake up that I was hoping for. All the best Jack.
  12. Farewell Jack Watts

    What would his role be?
  13. Farewell Jack Watts

    This quote says a lot to me from Don Pyke after yesterday's game. "One of the things that is very hard from a coaching viewpoint is to provide effort," Pyke said. "The players are responsible for effort. "We try and encourage that, we try and demand that.
  14. Farewell Jack Watts

    Its hard for him to hit Hogan lace out if he's at Casey due to effort or wont put in those final hard steps to win the ball in the first place. No one is saying he is not a great kick but there are plenty more facets to being a great or even good player than being a great kick.
  15. Farewell Jack Watts

    Remind me who brought in Heretier and gave up an inconsistent but supremely talented flanker in Jeremy Howe?