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  1. 10 points
    Melbourne last night. It's better than anything that can be Photoshopped. I'd like to see us use it in our marketing.
  2. 7 points
    1. You have no evidence of this - it is pure speculation 2. This is garbage. Watts was given the clear message that he would be best finding another club. 3. Another garbage point with no basis at all in fact. You seem to confuse what comes out in the media as what happens at the coal face of the club. The club under Peter Jackson has very clear guidelines on how to manage player commmunication. Just because some some flea in the media or on social media makes a claim or a statement doesn't make it true. There are 1700 accredited AFL media. They are trying to earn a living and are scrapping for stories. They are largely irrelevant and i would prefer my club to manage players rather than focusing on external commentary.
  3. 6 points
    I might be in the minority, but I like a 'vanilla flavoured' President. He can do what needs to be done behind the scenes and let others, like PJ, Mahoney and Goody do the talking. He's done that well so far and worked really well with all areas of the club. We can't ask for much more than that.
  4. 5 points
    You do exaggerate Saty! I was at training last Friday and observed them. I have a man's body and they look nothing like me.
  5. 5 points
    whatever happens you can bet the pollyanna's will be out to remind us that it is not the end of the world. After round 23 can you ever be confident about this team. Perhaps that midfield is aging and slow ... we can but hope Frankly if you look at many of our upsets last year ... we kicked straight and they didn't ...let's hope Round 1 is a repeat
  6. 5 points
    I see one of the therapists who are contracted to the Dees (i've had multiple spinal operations and also require ongoing management) We always have a gasbag about the players, their aches and pains and some funny tales. Anyway, Hunt was in getting treated for general work around the hips and glutes etc and only mentioned literally at the very end of the treatment that he had a sore back. So the session was extended and the treatment took a different direction with some work on his back. With due respect to not advising the therapist, He/She didn't think it's a worrying sign, just a management thing.
  7. 4 points
    Yes, it is speculation. But my speculation here is actually based on some evidence (i.e. 14 players approaching the AFLPA without first informing the coach or, alternatively, approaching the AFLPA with the coach's blessing). Certainly it seems to be accepted as fact that these players did approach the AFLPA. Beyond this, there is further evidence that we do not know, but to say there is no evidence is incorrect. That they approached the AFLPA at all in the circumstances is poor. In short, I think you would be better off asserting that the conclusion I have derived cannot be supported by the evidence that is available, rather than saying there is no evidence of such matters. I have heard various things to suggest there is evidence that is at odds with your claim of 'garbage' on these matters. Notwithstanding this, I will refrain from responding to your post in the tone you have adopted towards mine because, quite frankly, I try to not descend into pettiness with other posters. I come here for information and some discussion, not for friendships or juvenile arguments. Anyway - following a very disappointing end to last season, I was looking for a super professional and disciplined response from the club/player group, and this is not the sort of news that I had hoped to be reading at this point in the pre-season.
  8. 4 points
    And just for the fun of it put Bernie onto Dangerfield
  9. 4 points
    If we get thumped by Jeelong in Round 1 at home, it won’t just be Melbourne Supporters remembering. Players had better win early games...
  10. 4 points
    And where exactly do we know that from? Seems to me that as usual speculation and rumour quickly become fact. In any case if they just went to the PA for information it seems perfectly reasonable to me that the players should gather as much information as they can before they discuss an issue with the coach if they feel the coach has made a very bad decision. How do we know that some players didn't tentatively raise it with the coach first, saw he was fixed in his position, still thought he was wrong and felt they had to argue again more forcefully? When we have one well-connected poster quoting a player saying how much disruption to his physical preparation last years' camp was, I think an exception to 'always do what the coast says' could be warranted. If a player lost that much conditioning by being out on the town instead of at a boot camp, posters here would be calling for blood. It is just possible the FD got it wrong and after seeing how seriously the players felt about it, the FD saw cancelling was the correct decision. An organization that works that way is far more resilient than one where such interactions are impossible and things fall apart completely after years of pent-up frustration.
  11. 4 points
    I’ve never respected client/patient confidentially anyway. Thanks Port D!
  12. 4 points
    As to the camp itself, I'm unsure as to whether it was beneficial and should have gone ahead or it's a waste of time and pointless. But the way in which things have played out is just no good from a PR perspective. The coaches look like they have (not saying they have) lost the players. The players look (not saying they are) self-entitled and like they know what is best despite choking this year and having achieved two-tenths of stuff all in their careers to date.
  13. 3 points
    To ever get ahead in the AFL clubs need to diversify revenue streams to make more money. Especially small clubs wanting to grow. Pokies have been the backbone of this off field earnings but there isn't the same opportunity to expand there and (hopefully) over time that business model becomes less rewarding. So I've thought up a couple of ways for the club to branch out and make some money. 1. Demon Dinners - and other meals With more and more time pressure people are buying take away - especially now every restaurant delivers through delivery companies, prepared meals and even ingredient boxes to make gourmet meals. At the same time there's a lot of health conscious people as well and footy participation numbers have grown on the back of the increase in girls and women's football. Most games are Saturday and Sunday. Most people love take away or conveniently prepared meals on Friday or Saturday night. Put all those things together and there's surely a market for either Demons branded or AFL branded food. Imagine knowing your 15 year old son or daughter has a footy game on Sunday but it's Saturday night and you're going out for with adult friends. You could leave them money for pizza or you get them a dietitian approved and chef made meal (either prepared or delivered) with Nathan Jones or Daisy Pearce on the packaging. Apparently it was Goody who suggested Luke Hodge got on the lite n easy and Hodgey turned that in to an ad campaign, but people don't really want to buy diet food and advertise that to the world. Instead they get Demon Dinners that are formulated throughout the week to be nutritious enough to make you fit and healthy with some exercise (like a couple of footy trainings) and then you can market pre game and even post game meals. Presumably there's a way for the club to access the kitchens at the Leighoak and Bentleigh clubs if they want to start with local deliveries to the heartland suburbs maybe on Thurs-Sat. Or maybe approach a prepared meals company like Healthy Choice and say we want to make branded meals. The actual specifics of which way you want to do it are pretty endless but I'm certain there's a big gap in the market in selling meals to footballers, especially kids. Parents are spending big money on boots, gear, travel, extra coaching and academies. They already have to feed their kids and are spending big money doing that how it is. There should be an opening to get in on that. 2. A one of a kind experience viral marketing raffle. Everyone buys club raffle tickets from time to time right? I know the club volunteers get on the phones or on match days and do their best to sell them. I also know the club are generous to big donors or sponsors with behind the scenes and match day experiences. But why not combine all of that in one go? I first learnt about how a company in America combines viral marketing and experiences for charitable causes here: https://www.theringer.com/tech/2017/10/25/16528024/omaze-online-charity-rick-and-morty And an example of an experience here: https://www.omaze.com/experiences/south-park-matt-trey-notms Pretty much, the club create the biggest and best match day experience and make the biggest and best viral marketing video they can make. They already have the ability to do that. Get Hamish Blake, Robbo and Clayton Oliver to sit down and make a funny video, can't be that hard right? And prepare the ultimate fan experience - training with the boys, coffee with Goody, lunch with the team, match committee, game day room pass, kids run out with the team, even sing the song if they win, flights and hotels paid for, just get it all in there. Make it too good for fans to refuse. Then sell tickets 100 for $10, 250 for $25 and escalating like that, with members getting a bonus 10-50% of tickets, however you want to do it, add merchandise with a number of tickets bought. Is anyone not buying $10 worth for the chance of a lifetime?
  14. 3 points
    Posted this in the Training Thread but also relevant here: Viney is super human!! If his foot is ready there will be no stopping him next year.
  15. 3 points
    And we have lived up to them beautifully.
  16. 3 points
    If I was them, I would be more worried about lining up against Oliver, Viney and Petracca with Gawn in the ruck... ...and how is their depleted defence going to cope with Hogan, Tommy Mac and Jeffy... plus a lacklustre forward line that relies on Hawkins. I think we've got them covered
  17. 3 points
    The players did go back to the coach and two days later the coach said the camp was still on with some modifications from last year, such as a doctor being there who might be able to deal with Tysons dislocated knee cap. Some players weren't happy and spoke to the Aflpa. Their main issues were, one deconditioning, some players lost 5kgs over that 3 days, abuse and risk of injury. The majority of players saw no advantage in the camp at all which was proven late in the season. Maybe the players were right to protect themselves against a FD that might be wrong. Maybe we should congratulate them for standing up??
  18. 2 points
  19. 2 points
    Even if the players did approach the AFLPA - and there is no evidence they did it before going to the club - this in itself is not unusual. Maybe they were seeking information about what other clubs were doing, what was the norm, what their responsibilities were for things that are outside their playing contract or what would happen if they were injured and unable to play? The point is we don't know and it just doesn't make sense to listen to media speculation on it. And in the spirit of Christmas, compliments of the season to you Ron.
  20. 2 points
    Not to mention losing Gawn early and someone else I forget.
  21. 2 points
    Yes it was Salem's fault, that was the whole idea of the camp, he failed under pressure, let me think, does that happen in games?
  22. 2 points
    Yes, and if we had done the bootcamp and lost the first round, no doubt supporters would be blaming the bootcamp for taking too much out of the players. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
  23. 2 points
    We'll be the underdogs - it's a good thing
  24. 2 points
    and I saw someone comment earlier that it wasn't Goodwin's fault that Salem didn't pack his pack correctly.... I'm sorry if they were sleep deprived, being screamed at and going out on a hike with bricks in their packs.... the responsibility of running the camp lies with the the club. I see that as a workplace injury.
  25. 2 points
    Well those photos make me feel better. Jack Viney for round 1!
  26. 2 points
  27. 2 points
    And our Geelong loss was we didn't kick straight and they did.
  28. 2 points
    Dr Turf is by far the best SEN presenter. Either way, my life is so much better since I stopped listening to SEN.
  29. 2 points
    It was probably more boring than I expected. And I didn't expect much.
  30. 2 points
    Getting screamed at while sleep deprived and doing super intense physical work isn't everyone's cup of tea
  31. 2 points
    I doubt it, we have a vanilla flavoured Pres.
  32. 2 points
    I reckon a lot of the posters that are angry now are the same posters that were saying the camp was a waste of time last year, hypocrites worst people in the world.
  33. 2 points
    I look back at some of the things Bomber Thompson tried and then said when the Cats became a dominant team. I think it went along the lines " I stepped back once the Leadership Group started leading, they drove the standards they set the agenda". This is not the non leaders group from years ago. I have no problem with them stepping up and saying "No" to something they don't agree with. The proof will be in how much they "drive" the season. If Goodwin has a Messiah complex he will fail, if the "players" drive the season it will be a great thing IMHO. I cannot fathom how the current player group has not got the drive to go all the way and on that basis if they have said no to something, I think they need to be supported.
  34. 2 points
    Seriously? Honestly SWYL, I've never seen someone make such a mountain out of a mole hill. His strategy has been rebuked? It was a 2 day boot camp. Have they rebelled against the 99% of the other training they do? Have they cracked it over the gameplan? Did they kick up a fuss about what they needed to do before they returned to training, or what they will do over the Xmas break? No, they didn't. They just felt the boot camp wasn't worthwhile, so it was cancelled. I'll say it again, you LOVE this stuff. I bet you sit there and rub your hands together at how hard you can go with it. It's like Xmas has come early for you.
  35. 2 points
    Hutchy may have business acumen, but if anyone has listened to his inane banter with Liam Pickering, on their Saturday morning show; "Off the Bench", you would know that Marko and Ox are oracles in comparison.
  36. 1 point
    I've always been under the impression it was a pro not a prue.
  37. 1 point
    My interpretation of the interaction with the AFLPA is that the players went to them for ADVICE on how to deal with the situation. Not for the AFLPA to step in and take over. Not suggesting thats what happened. But the way people/media are talking about it and the facts become more diluted, the more it starts to be portrayed that way. I can totally understand and commend them for seeking advice if they truly believed that their conditioning, after 2 months of solid training, was at risk for little or no gain. Just seems to me that the story got out when it really shouldn't have. Or at the very least it should have been spun from a positive perspective by the club from the outset.
  38. 1 point
    Thanks for doing what I should have done in the first place. Cameron Tandy deserves all the credit.
  39. 1 point
    We don't always see eye to eye jnr, but on this we do. Very well said.
  40. 1 point
    Can you expand on this particular point ? Do you mean some mean words directed at them ? Or is there some other concern here ?
  41. 1 point
    Twitter is great for following live sport or getting up to date news if you're a sport's lover. I also follow a heap of Dees fans & have some great chats about the club. I actually find Twitter the best form of social media as i don't have to look at pictures of people's food or babies.
  42. 1 point
    Maybe a bit of spin the bottle too, eh Biff? Good to see you are back after your drug rehab stint. Any other celebs in there?
  43. 1 point
    Ok, let me take a different angle on this. Why did the coach leave it until the last week to announce another boot camp? Did he know that the players weren't keen on it and kept it from them until the last minute. On this I'm only making a supposition, I do find it interesting though. The communication has been poor from both sides and as a club I wish we didn't have sides but a team working together. For some reason this wasn't the case and I wouldn't be laying the blame just with the players. The coach and FD have to take at least some responsibility for this years aborted camp and all the responsibility for last years debacle.
  44. 1 point
    The issue for me isn't wether the camp went ahead or not it's how the players went about it. I find amusing the number of posts suggesting the players went to the ALPA to seek guidance and how to go about it the right way. This is hardly a complex legal issue that requires specialist advise. The right way would of been for Jones and or Viney to speak to the coaching group first, then based on those discussions determine wether there was a need to take it further. How do these players manage all other relationships in their lives wether they be professional or personal. No I don't think it means the 2018 season is a right off but it does raise a few questions.... Would be interested to know what Jordan Lewis's involvement was if any. What were the reasons we supposedly got rid of Watts for again. Were the players minds already made up and is that why they didn't approach the coach first. Really poor form from people who should know better.
  45. 1 point
    During Christmas and New Year breaks, things become very slow, in terms of sports news. The likes of "fill-in' breakfast hosts, Maher, Brown and Frawley, will clutch at anything that they can run with, in all their "journalistic" banality and In my view, that is what has happened here. Subscribe to conspiracy theories all you like, but I'll continue to trust in the guys to get the job done.
  46. 1 point
    The players had a meeting and decided they will not be training. Ever.
  47. 1 point
    Big no from me I think. - I like the boundary throw-in; I enjoy the combative one-on-one nature of a ruck contest and the 50/50 nature of the set up. - Players will very much be in two minds about whether to go for the ball when it's near the boundary. If they do, even without prior opportunity, then are tackled over the line by their opponents, is it then a free kick to the opposition?? - Players shouldn't be rewarded for slapping the ball onto an opponent so it touches them before it crosses the line, ala basketball and netball. - When it was trialled in the preseason comp a few years back, players didn't know if they should stop the ball as it goes over the line. There was a farcical incident where a player shepherded the ball as it slowly rolled over the line so he'd get a free and not have to contest. - And, above all this, I need a break. It's a tense, action back game. I need a moment every now and then to pull myself together, check the scoreboard, check a players' numbers, pour myself a drink, etc.
  48. 1 point
    Booo! Just leave the rules alone! FFS!
  49. 1 point
    Well said. I agree. Less pressure on them and less whinging from all of us. I am guilty of expecting too much too early off of draftees, and I think part of it comes from the mediocre performances off of our senior blokes. We are always looking for some youth to step in - because our seniors are letting us down. Since we have had Roos we have improved I believe. 5-6 years ago I'd be hoping Petty was the next big thing because we needed him to be. Now it feels as though it doesn't matter as much. We appear to have a ready made list now. There is no excuses for the guys in the side. Best MFC team I have seen in a long time. I do get ahead of myself but our side looks really promising. Hopefully Petty just develops at Casey and gets to learn his craft without expectation. We still have key position back in Keilty who will be ready before he is. That should ease the pressure.
  50. 1 point
    But none at this age bracket... you stand still and you go backwards, always an eye on the future. That’s drafting..
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