[hrob]

Is Jack Watts playing this weekend?

[Supreme_Demon]

That's a good question!


I hope he is...but as far as I know, I think he is still recovering from a strained back?

[condemned 84]

Doesn't it say 2-3 weeks? I thought I saw that the other day posted on here.
Could be wrong tho.

[steveheals]

I wouldn't think so.

I hope Wonna can play

[jnrmac]

Spoke to him last wednesday. Back is fine. His quad is recovering well. Only a slight strain. Could play this week but more likely next week for a half.

[Bring-Back-Powell]

Surely after the Jurrah injury, they'll fast-track his development and throw him to the wolves by round 2 or 3.

Bailey wants to put 40-50 games into these kids, so we can't hide Watts forever.

This post has been edited by Bring-Back-Powell: 10 March 2010 - 02:39 AM

[Rhino Richards]

Bring-Back-Powell, on 10 March 2010 - 03:37 AM, said:

Surely after the Jurrah injury, they'll fast-track his development and throw him to the wolves by round 2 or 3.

Bailey wants to put 40-50 games into these kids, so we can't hide Watts forever.

Lets toss the baby out with the bath water.

Why should an injury to Jurrah compromise the development plans for another young player? Nuts.

Watts role and development path was never dependent upon the fitness of Jurrah.

Its not a matter of hiding Watts at all.

[Cards13]

Bring-Back-Powell, on 10 March 2010 - 03:37 AM, said:

Surely after the Jurrah injury, they'll fast-track his development and throw him to the wolves by round 2 or 3.

Bailey wants to put 40-50 games into these kids, so we can't hide Watts forever.

That is why we still have the likes of Miller on the list and Newton on the rookie so we can give development time to the likes of Watts and Jurrah. The MFC has been very deliberate about how it approaches player recuiting and development over the last 2 seasons I doubt they would change it over 1 injury...

[undeeniable]

Can Jack Watts now be referred to with the sobriquet 223?

[Keyser Söze]

undeeniable, on 10 March 2010 - 12:09 PM, said:

Can Jack Watts now be referred to with the sobriquet 223?

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I get it, but... not feeling it.

[agent_orange]

Keyser Söze, on 10 March 2010 - 12:27 PM, said:

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I get it, but... not feeling it.

Watts development should be pushed ahead not because of Jurruh but because we haven't developed any real forwards for the past 5 years.

[Toot182]

jnrmac, on 09 March 2010 - 09:41 PM, said:

Spoke to him last wednesday. Back is fine. His quad is recovering well. Only a slight strain. Could play this week but more likely next week for a half.

Do we even have a game next week? I thought this was the last prac-match? Or are you talking Scorps? Man, if he's only playing half for Scorps we won't see him for a few rounds...

[drdrake]

He won't play round 1 and the club won't play him against Collingwood but expect to see him round 3 against the Crows or latest Round 4 against the Tigers, not a bad run for him to play Tigers, Lions, North,Bulldogs, WCE, Port

[flog]

agent_orange, on 10 March 2010 - 04:11 PM, said:

Watts development should be pushed ahead not because of Jurruh but because we haven't developed any real forwards for the past 5 years.

How do you supose we fast track his development?

It would be Detrimental to his future to try such a thing. We want a 10year player not a beaten up under confident 21year old.

The loss of Jurruh and our lack of forwards are the same thing.

[agent_orange]

flog, on 10 March 2010 - 05:21 PM, said:

How do you supose we fast track his development?

It would be Detrimental to his future to try such a thing. We want a 10year player not a beaten up under confident 21year old.

The loss of Jurruh and our lack of forwards are the same thing.

If you put it that way, hows he going to cope at casey?

A little overdramatic. Only one way to develop, that is week by week.

[flog]

agent_orange, on 10 March 2010 - 05:39 PM, said:

If you put it that way, hows he going to cope at casey?

A little overdramatic. Only one way to develop, that is week by week.

Fast tracking his development or letting him develop at his own pace at casey/AFL are two very diffrent things.

[Roost It]

The FD will play Watts when he's ready. Him being ready has nothing to do with any other player. You've got to try to remember that in essence this is his first year and his first preseason. It's also been interrupted through careful management of injury. Both watts and the FD are getting used to his body and what it can handle. Watts needs 2 full preseason's at least. Expect some form in the second half of next year. I know, a full 18 months to wait, shocking isn't it.

[why you little]

agent_orange, on 10 March 2010 - 05:39 PM, said:

If you put it that way, hows he going to cope at casey?

A little overdramatic. Only one way to develop, that is week by week.

Ohh Yeah-throw him to the wolves at AFL Level while his bones are still growing.

Glad you don't work for the Footy Dept. "Good Things take Time"

[E25]

Roost It, on 10 March 2010 - 06:13 PM, said:

The FD will play Watts when he's ready. Him being ready has nothing to do with any other player. You've got to try to remember that in essence this is his first year and his first preseason. It's also been interrupted through careful management of injury. Both watts and the FD are getting used to his body and what it can handle. Watts needs 2 full preseason's at least. Expect some form in the second half of next year. I know, a full 18 months to wait, shocking isn't it.

But.. but... by then he'll be almost 20!

How can he not already be dominating the AFL by that age?!

[/sarcasm]

[agent_orange]

why you little, on 10 March 2010 - 06:41 PM, said:

Ohh Yeah-throw him to the wolves at AFL Level while his bones are still growing.

Glad you don't work for the Footy Dept. "Good Things take Time"

If I worked for the Footy Department, and Watts wasn't ready, I'd have made some plans to fix our forward line prior to this season without him in the picture. Why didn't we recruit a forward? I can accept that Watts isn't ready, but when are any players ever ready. Surely, he can't be the only 19 year old whose bones are still growing that can't play.

[Benno]

barry hall perhaps??

end sarcasm

[E25]

agent_orange, on 10 March 2010 - 07:52 PM, said:

If I worked for the Footy Department, and Watts wasn't ready, I'd have made some plans to fix our forward line prior to this season without him in the picture. Why didn't we recruit a forward? I can accept that Watts isn't ready, but when are any players ever ready. Surely, he can't be the only 19 year old whose bones are still growing that can't play.

I'm sure you'd have done a lot of things if you worked for our footy dept, but thankfully your short-sightedness is kept well away.

Why didn't we recruit a forward..?
See my signature. Simple.

[Jarka]

agent_orange, on 10 March 2010 - 07:52 PM, said:

If I worked for the Footy Department, and Watts wasn't ready, I'd have made some plans to fix our forward line prior to this season without him in the picture. Why didn't we recruit a forward? I can accept that Watts isn't ready, but when are any players ever ready. Surely, he can't be the only 19 year old whose bones are still growing that can't play.

You can't fix a forwardline instantly, generally it takes 4 or 5 years to develop a good key forward. Also, there's no point in recruiting a 'not quite right' key forward at the expense of a much better player in the draft just for the sake of recruiting a key forward, that's poor drafting. The only other thing the club may have done differently is to target a mature player in a trade, but this would be a waste for us as we're 3 or 4 seasons away from properly challenging.

Since CAC's 2nd last week year in charge of recruiting we've gone about it the right way for our future.

[dandeeman]

agent_orange, on 10 March 2010 - 07:52 PM, said:

If I worked for the Footy Department, and Watts wasn't ready, I'd have made some plans to fix our forward line prior to this season without him in the picture. Why didn't we recruit a forward? I can accept that Watts isn't ready, but when are any players ever ready. Surely, he can't be the only 19 year old whose bones are still growing that can't play.

Easy throw away line.
Since you are willing to put yourself in the shoes of the footy dept, please outline exactly how you would have fixed our forward line for 2010 including the names of players you would have recruited and at whose expense.

Regards
Dan

This post has been edited by dandeeman: 10 March 2010 - 08:28 PM

[Dexter23]

I don't believe they will fast track Watts. Ifs his fit they'll play him. Ifs he's underdone, they'll rest him. They will not jeopardize burning him out. Jurrahs injury will not have anything to do with it. I'm not sold on we should have pick up a forward with our PS Draft, just NOT JD. Jurrahs Injury does however give players such as Newton (Aarrhhhh), Martin, Dunn, Jetta, Maric, Fitzpatrick, MacNamara can cement a spot in the side. I think Dunn will be used as Jurrahs replacement, Its about time he stepped up. Anybody think Garland? Sometimes injuries bring players out of the woods when they get they opportunity to shine, with exception to Newton , My two cents.

Go Dees

[why you little]

agent_orange, on 10 March 2010 - 07:52 PM, said:

If I worked for the Footy Department, and Watts wasn't ready, I'd have made some plans to fix our forward line prior to this season without him in the picture. Why didn't we recruit a forward? I can accept that Watts isn't ready, but when are any players ever ready. Surely, he can't be the only 19 year old whose bones are still growing that can't play.

The Difference is Jack is going to be a Big Boy-but he is not there yet.

[2014-Flag]

agent_orange, on 10 March 2010 - 07:52 PM, said:

If I worked for the Footy Department, and Watts wasn't ready, I'd have made some plans to fix our forward line prior to this season without him in the picture. Why didn't we recruit a forward? I can accept that Watts isn't ready, but when are any players ever ready. Surely, he can't be the only 19 year old whose bones are still growing that can't play.

if we were concerned with the present and were considering recruiting a mature age forward to win games this year we would have kept Robbo.whilst many of us would have liked this in some ways it would not have built our future. The club has done the right thing here, and injuries to lj and the slow injury injuiced progressof jack watts as well as slow recovery progress of Garland has beenjust unlucky. We do thoughhave some interesting replacements in Dunn and very soon Garland, and even give some game time to fitzpatrick if he shows any potential at Casey. My only area where I think we might have done better is the retention of Newton. ithinkhe is a wasted space and we possibly may have gotbetter value out of robbo mentoring the younger forwards as well as some goals out of him.

In hindsight they may well have done this, but as we all know hindsight is a wonderful thing. Also, do we really know the seriousness of robbos injury recovery.

[jayceebee31]

Rhino Richards, on 10 March 2010 - 06:01 AM, said:

Lets toss the baby out with the bath water.

Why should an injury to Jurrah compromise the development plans for another young player? Nuts.

Watts role and development path was never dependent upon the fitness of Jurrah.

Its not a matter of hiding Watts at all.

Agree- totally concur. Ridiculous to rush Watts. We will try others to cover LJ such as Dunn.Actually, I do not mind if Watts plays a limited amount this year at Melbourne. LJ's injury shows me that Bails is doing exactly what he should be with Watts. LJ's body was not right for senior football.Some ape would have crunched his slight body sometime.Someone would have done the same to Jack.Bails gave him a taste last year, let him finalise his schooling and now time to get his body right for AFL football. But if it is the case he develops at Casey by getting fit, confident etc.. I am extremely happy with that-we do not want to rush him- no way.

[Deeoldfart]

jayceebee31, on 11 March 2010 - 11:40 AM, said:

Agree- totally concur. Ridiculous to rush Watts. We will try others to cover LJ such as Dunn.Actually, I do not mind if Watts plays a limited amount this year at Melbourne. LJ's injury shows me that Bails is doing exactly what he should be with Watts. LJ's body was not right for senior football.Some ape would have crunched his slight body sometime.Someone would have done the same to Jack.Bails gave him a taste last year, let him finalise his schooling and now time to get his body right for AFL football. But if it is the case he develops at Casey by getting fit, confident etc.. I am extremely happy with that-we do not want to rush him- no way.

Couldn't agree more jcb!

This post has been edited by Deeoldfart: 11 March 2010 - 11:35 AM

[Grand New Flag]

2014-Flag, on 11 March 2010 - 01:51 AM, said:

if we were concerned with the present and were considering recruiting a mature age forward to win games this year we would have kept Robbo.whilst many of us would have liked this in some ways it would not have built our future. The club has done the right thing here, and injuries to lj and the slow injury injuiced progressof jack watts as well as slow recovery progress of Garland has beenjust unlucky. We do thoughhave some interesting replacements in Dunn and very soon Garland, and even give some game time to fitzpatrick if he shows any potential at Casey. My only area where I think we might have done better is the retention of Newton. ithinkhe is a wasted space and we possibly may have gotbetter value out of robbo mentoring the younger forwards as well as some goals out of him.

Here, here, I would have paid Newton out and kept Robbo and not worried about our last pick or delisted Bartum.

[Keyser Söze]

jayceebee31, on 11 March 2010 - 11:40 AM, said:

Agree- totally concur. Ridiculous to rush Watts. We will try others to cover LJ such as Dunn.Actually, I do not mind if Watts plays a limited amount this year at Melbourne. LJ's injury shows me that Bails is doing exactly what he should be with Watts. LJ's body was not right for senior football.Some ape would have crunched his slight body sometime.Someone would have done the same to Jack.Bails gave him a taste last year, let him finalise his schooling and now time to get his body right for AFL football. But if it is the case he develops at Casey by getting fit, confident etc.. I am extremely happy with that-we do not want to rush him- no way.

LJ could do with developing his body a bit more, but I still think he was fine to play senior footy, considering the role he played.

[disco_demon]

if watts is fit...he needs to be played at the AFL level. it's an obvious part of his development.

afl games will help teach him what he needs to learn by playing at casey when dropped (etc... )

This post has been edited by disco_demon: 11 March 2010 - 12:59 PM

[Rhino Richards]

Grand New Flag, on 11 March 2010 - 01:00 PM, said:

Here, here, I would have paid Newton out and kept Robbo and not worried about our last pick or delisted Bartum.

I dont think that was what your brother Flag was saying. I am not sure I would have been keen to retain a forward that was past his use by date and that in the PSD was overlooked by the other 15 clubs. Hmmm.

[Yokozuna]

It is always easy in hindsight, now that we have some injuries.

We need to give others opportunities, and Robbo would have helped us, but will not be required when we are back at the top.

Hopefully the years we get into Bate, Watts and all the other younger KP players will help us in a couple of years.

On a side note, I was talking to someone at the Melbourne v Essendon game, who is close friends with Jack. He said that he expected to play by early in the year, and was hoping to play over 10 games for the year. He was also finding it amusing all the comparisons between him and Nic Natunui, despite the fact he has hardly played.

[2014-Flag]

disco_demon, on 11 March 2010 - 01:58 PM, said:

if watts is fit...he needs to be played at the AFL level. it's an obvious part of his development.

afl games will help teach him what he needs to learn by playing at casey when dropped (etc... )

Totally agree. If he is fit this is not a time to protect him as tough he is some delicate flower. Games are what he needs. From what my info says from inside the club he is the last to expect to be protected. For all his private school charm , and leadershipo ability, my understanding is he is incredibly competitive and raring to go after them.

Dare I say it, David Neitz mark 11. And I can't think of a better tribute. Let'a hope so anyway.

[hillie]

i think he needs some more moloney or tapscott in him... that is some agression. there is another word for it but i feel i cannot say it here.

[Allen Jakovich]

Grand New Flag, on 11 March 2010 - 01:00 PM, said:

Here, here, I would have paid Newton out and kept Robbo and not worried about our last pick or delisted Bartum.

Only problem with that was that Robbo was a very selfish football player by the end of his career.

[Roost It]

My tip we'll see him in red and blue for round 4 v tigers.

[Prof]

I've read many posts over the past few days with interest.
LJ is a huge loss in terms of his development BUT the expectation of what LJ
might have been capable of this year is insane. He has played 9 games! He is NOT a champion
nor a STAR yet... We all hope he will be one day.
Ease up. The weight of expectation is a scary thing.

[Roost It]

Cast you minds forward.
The year is 2012 The Young Demons have recovered their season after losing the first 5. They now stand 5-5 after beating heavyweights West Coast away, Hawthorn at home and Adelaide away in the last 3 weeks and The Queeen's Birthday round is upon us. It turns out to be a beautiful day and 81,987 people show up to watch ladder leaders Collingwood play Melbourne who sit in 8th spot. The games tight but in the second half Jack Watts finally comes of age, reeling in 12 marks, kicking 7 goals and having his way with 3 opponents, often at the same time. (Think football) Newspapers call it "The best 2nd half of football since Carey" Herald Sun reporters, along with Bring back Powell, Hillie and agent orange are left red faced and are last seen scolding themselves for making silly comments regarding Watts in the past.

It might not happen exactly like this but it will happen. Patience Grasshopper