Our 1st game team vs Hawks
#1
Posted 04 March 2010 - 10:33 AM
As of today, according to the Club's website, this is our injury list
Aaron Davey – Adductor Soreness – 1 week
- Cameron Bruce – Hamstring – 1 week
- Matthew Bate – Quad – 1 week
- Colin Garland – Foot – 1 week
- Neville Jetta – Groin – 1-2 weeks
- Jack Watts – Back – 2-3 weeks
- Sam Blease – Ankle – 2-3 weeks
- Paul Johnson – Foot – 5 weeks
- Cale Morton – Knee – 8-10 weeks
- John Meesen – Ankle – Indefinite
- Max Gawn – Knee – Indefinite
- Luke Tapscott – Hip – Indefinite
Based on that, let's assume Davey, Bruce, Green, Bate, Garland, Jetta, Watts all play. Let's also assume Wonna is fit.
Based on current information, how does this look for a team for round 1? Can it beat the hawk minus Burgoyne (injured), Buddy and Bateman (suspended)
B: Dunn Warnock Rivers
HB: Garland Frawley Bruce
C: Pettard Sylvia Trengove
HF: Davey Miller Jurrah
F: Grimes Watts Bate
Fol: Jamar Green Scully
Inter: Wonna, Martin, Maloney, James MacD
This means the following missed out who are available: Bail, Bartrum, Bell, Bennell, Bleeze, Cheney, Fitzpatrick, Gysberts, Jones, Jetta, Joel MacD, McNamara, Maric, Strauss. Of those only Bartrum, Bell, Bennell, Cheney, Jones, Jetta, Joel MacD and Maric would be seriously considered.
I'm sure we would all agree a very much stronger team than we saw on Saturday, and yes, possibly could knock off the Hawks. So where are the weaknesses/strengths in this side?
The obvious one is in the rucks although the way the Russian played at the weekend if he stays in one piece we will win there in round 1. Certainly the forward line looks very much better than it has over the first two weeks. Much more bulk and experience. The question marks for me are:
Is Watts fit and ready? Will Miller provide a target and run on the leads he is capable of? Will Liam re-capture last year's form?
The mid -field is populated by either experience or great skill and they are all in form.
The addition of Bruce, Dunn and a fit Rivers adds considerably to down back with Dunn providing additional height and run and Garland providing marking power
The bench is a mixture of runners and height.
Garland at half back also provides an option of putting him in at half forward if miller or jurrah have off days
Looking at this side I am very much more encouraged. It is a very different side to the last two weeks.
What do others think?
#2
Posted 04 March 2010 - 11:10 AM
I think Dunn and Grimes should be swapped. Dunn in the forward line Grimes running off the backs when not in the midfield.
I am not sure Watts will be ready. He really needs to play the next two NAB Challenge games to be a realistic chance. Likewise with Garland.
My Guess:
Bell, Warnock, Rivers
Joel Mac, Frawley, Bruce
Grimes, Silvia, Trengove
Davey, Miller, Jurrah
Green, Bate, Wonna
Jamar, Moloney, Jones
IC Scully, Martin, Dunn, Stuass
#3
Posted 04 March 2010 - 11:42 AM
"Without wanting to sound indulgent, the Melbourne Football Club has provided me with moments so memorable and meaningful that I measure every other moment against them."
Cameron Schwab
October 2008
#4
Posted 04 March 2010 - 11:47 AM
Given the assumptions by op, my R1 team:
James Mac Warnock Frawley
Joel Mac Rivers Bruce
Davey Grimes Trengove
Green Miller Pettard
Maric Bate Jurrah
Jamar Moloney Sylvia
Int: Jones, Scully, Martin, Wonna/Jetta (whoever is in best form)
I reckon that team could do alright against the Dorks on the G.
#5
Posted 04 March 2010 - 11:51 AM
Deeoldfart, on 04 March 2010 - 12:42 PM, said:
Yes, i was sitting in front of the players at Visy Oval on saturday and he ws there and looking fit. DB has said that he not playing senior players who are not 100% fit but if it was the real season he would. Specifically he has said this about Jack Watts, but i assume it also applies to Bate and Dunn. I wouldn't play them either if they did not play in the next two weeks, but i expect them to if only the last competitive game plus the intraclub.
We'll see over ythe next two weeks, but I must say that side looks a lot stronger.
#7
Posted 04 March 2010 - 02:09 PM
B: Bennell Warnock Rivers
HB: Strauss Frawley Bruce
C: Sylvia Moloney Grimes
HF: Davey Miller Jurrah
F: Petterd Bate Maric
Fol: Jamar Green Junior
Inter: Martin, Jones, Scully, Trengove
Wonaeamirri, Garland still rusty after long lay-offs.
Bail, Bartram, Bell, Dunn, Watts, Blease, Cheney, Fitzpatrick, Gysberts, Jetta, MacDonald, McNamara to miss.
Jetta could be in the side, but probably won't due to average preseason form.
Dunn could be included for his versatility.
#8
Posted 04 March 2010 - 02:10 PM
Referring to Jack Watts and his supernatural abilities to hoover up the low ball.
#9
Posted 04 March 2010 - 02:20 PM
Macdonald Frawley Warnock
Strauss Rivers Bruce
Davey Moloney Sylvia
Bate Miller Green
Martin Jurrah Maric
Jamar Jones Grimes
Scully Aussie McDonald Trengove
This post has been edited by drdrake: 04 March 2010 - 02:22 PM
#11
Posted 04 March 2010 - 05:06 PM
Keyser Söze, on 04 March 2010 - 03:09 PM, said:
B: Bennell Warnock Rivers
HB: Strauss Frawley Bruce
C: Sylvia Moloney Grimes
HF: Davey Miller Jurrah
F: Petterd Bate Maric
Fol: Jamar Green Junior
Inter: Martin, Jones, Scully, Trengove
Wonaeamirri, Garland still rusty after long lay-offs.
Bail, Bartram, Bell, Dunn, Watts, Blease, Cheney, Fitzpatrick, Gysberts, Jetta, MacDonald, McNamara to miss.
Jetta could be in the side, but probably won't due to average preseason form.
Dunn could be included for his versatility.
IMO unless injured, Joel MacDonald is an absolute certainty.
#13
Posted 04 March 2010 - 06:53 PM
2014-Flag, on 04 March 2010 - 05:54 PM, said:
I would expect that there is very little chance that Watts will play round 1 and if he did I would expect him to have a minimal impact. I find that which is in bold a bizarre claim.
#14
Posted 04 March 2010 - 09:25 PM
2014-Flag, on 04 March 2010 - 11:33 AM, said:
My take is like 'zis,,,
Bruce Warnock Frawley
JoelMac Rivers Bennell
Davey Grimes Jun'Mac
Green Bate Sylvia
Pettard Miller Jurrah
Jamar Moloney Jones
Int: Spencer/Martin, Scully, Trengove, Dunn,,,,Wonna/Jetta, Maric,
This post has been edited by Fan: 05 March 2010 - 10:24 AM
Reason for edit: Please don't quote full replies unless they are relevant to your post. In this case they werent.
#15
Posted 04 March 2010 - 09:49 PM
I would give my leftie to see Green line up at Full Forward
Cheney Warnock Rivers
JoelMac Frawley Grimes
Davey Sylvia Trengove
Maric Bate Bruce
Wonna Green Jurrah
Jamar Moloney Scully
Int: Spencer, Jones, Petterd, Jetta
Apologies: Bennell, Miller, numerous others
Can those who have left JoelMac out of their teams please explain why? I don't understand =(
#17
Posted 04 March 2010 - 10:49 PM
dee-luded, on 04 March 2010 - 10:25 PM, said:
Bruce Warnock Frawley
JoelMac Rivers Bennell
Davey Grimes Jun'Mac
Green Bate Sylvia
Pettard Miller Jurrah
Jamar Moloney Jones
Int: Spencer/Martin, Scully, Trengove, Dunn,,,,Wonna/Jetta, Maric,
This is probably the best line-up from available players for the first match. Garland has not played for a year and has a very interrupted pre-season. Watts hasn't played a NAB cup or challenge or intra-club match and is still on the injured list. Scully and Trengove deserve their spot, and it's a good marketing decision to debut them on round 1.
So what happens to the rest? Blease, Gysberts and Co? There are practice matches for the Casey Scorpions before their first game on April 10.
2010 Practice Matches - All matches at Casey Fields
Sunday 14th March
Casey Scorpions v Frankston
Reserves 11.10am, Seniors 2pm
Friday 19th March
Casey Scorpions v Northern Bullants
Seniors 4.30pm, Reserves 7pm
Saturday 26th March (check this date. it's either sat 27th or friday 26th March)
Casey Scorpions v Bendigo Bombers
Seniors 1pm
and the first VFL game...
Round 1 Saturday, Apr 10 Casey Scorpions vs. Geelong Casey Fields 7:00 PM
#18
Posted 05 March 2010 - 04:05 AM
#19
Posted 05 March 2010 - 09:42 AM
Jurrah Mancrush, on 04 March 2010 - 10:49 PM, said:
he may play a bit this year but if he's in our best 22 in a couple of years time it's because we haven't developed the likes of Strauss and Bennell
I don't rate him
Referring to Jack Watts and his supernatural abilities to hoover up the low ball.
#20
Posted 05 March 2010 - 10:45 AM
Roost It, on 05 March 2010 - 10:42 AM, said:
Can those who have left JoelMac out of their teams please explain why? I don't understand =(
he may play a bit this year but if he's in our best 22 in a couple of years time it's because we haven't developed the likes of Strauss and Bennell
I don't rate him [/quote]
I rate JoelMac currently for the experience and the harder body brings to our young defence. However, I agree with you Roost, both Strauss and Bennell have better foot skills, and will potentially give us better run off half-back and through the centre. Experience and time will improve their football 'awareness' and give them the hardness that will be essential if they are to play key roles in a back-half which we hope will be both excellent defensively and a springboard for attack.
This post has been edited by Deeoldfart: 05 March 2010 - 10:46 AM
"Without wanting to sound indulgent, the Melbourne Football Club has provided me with moments so memorable and meaningful that I measure every other moment against them."
Cameron Schwab
October 2008
#21
Posted 05 March 2010 - 11:14 AM
I'm confident the team will click together at some stage during this season and will perform much better as a team than what we've seen so far, but it's less likely to happen earlier in the season. So if we struggle in the early games, it shouldn't be a surprise. Barring a horror run of injuries (god forbid!), I reckon we'll get better as the season goes on.
#22
Posted 05 March 2010 - 11:32 AM
drdrake, on 04 March 2010 - 03:20 PM, said:
Macdonald Frawley Warnock
Strauss Rivers Bruce
Davey Moloney Sylvia
Bate Miller Green
Martin Jurrah Maric
Jamar Jones Grimes
Scully Aussie McDonald Trengove
Good team.
Strauss, Bennell and Cheney will battle it out for a spot on the back flank and Petterd has earnt his place in the forward-line. So the only change I'd make to your team is - In: Petterd Out: Warnock
Hawthorn struggle in the ruck dept, but it's asking a lot for Jamar to carry the load all day, so Martin gets the nod ahead of Warnock.
With Franklin out suspended I don't see the need for Warnock, Rivers and Frawley in the backline. They may throw Schoenmakers forward, or possibly select Jordan Lisle in place of Franklin, but in reality we don't want to be top heavy in the back-line. Martin has the versatility to go back if need be, can give Jamar a spell in the ruck, or be that bigger body in the forward-line. So he gets the nod over Warnock.
Footy is all about matchups, so this needs to be taken into account against a Franklinless Hawthorn.
Also, every side should include Scully and Trengove. Firstly, they're our future and need as many games as possible and secondly they're good enough. Anyone disappointed with their progress ought not be. They've had a couple of games now to get the feel of the pace and tempo and will blossom very quickly - especially with more games.
#23
Posted 05 March 2010 - 11:50 AM
Oliver Hill, on 05 March 2010 - 12:32 PM, said:
Strauss, Bennell and Cheney will battle it out for a spot on the back flank and Petterd has earnt his place in the forward-line. So the only change I'd make to your team is - In: Petterd Out: Warnock
I understand the logic, but there is no way Warnock isn't getting a game in Round 1 (fitness aside).
Regardless of the forwardline we are coming up against, it's important to keep the backline group playing together for as long as we can. Our tall defenders have really come on and they are working well together. I wouldn't mess with that, especially when Frawley is versatile enough to play small so you can adjust his role depending on matchups.
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#24
Posted 05 March 2010 - 12:09 PM
Jaded, on 05 March 2010 - 12:50 PM, said:
Regardless of the forwardline we are coming up against, it's important to keep the backline group playing together for as long as we can. Our tall defenders have really come on and they are working well together. I wouldn't mess with that, especially when Frawley is versatile enough to play small so you can adjust his role depending on matchups.
Agree. Warnock seems to be a natural leader down there as well.
Of Warnock, Rivers, Garland and Frawley, really only Warnock is unable to play on a small. The other three could all equally play on a tall or a small, and Rivers is adept at playing loose.
The bigger issue is who our small(er) defenders are going to be. Bennell, Strauss, Cheney, McNamara, MacDonald, McDonald, Bartram, even Bruce are likely to get games across half back or the back pocket. I think Cheney's taken some big steps over the pre-season, he might be leading the race to play back pocket.
You can never underestimate the importance of a settled defensive unit.
#25
Posted 05 March 2010 - 12:15 PM
Jaded, on 05 March 2010 - 12:50 PM, said:
Regardless of the forwardline we are coming up against, it's important to keep the backline group playing together for as long as we can. Our tall defenders have really come on and they are working well together. I wouldn't mess with that, especially when Frawley is versatile enough to play small so you can adjust his role depending on matchups.
But Warnock is not that versatile as what Frawley is with the smalls. I tend to agree with OH with regard to Warnock and Round 1, that said we're still 3 weeks away.
Oliver Hill, on 05 March 2010 - 12:32 PM, said:
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#26
Posted 05 March 2010 - 12:42 PM
titan_uranus, on 05 March 2010 - 01:09 PM, said:
Rivers has time and again been torched by smaller fast players. He is not quick and much better in the air and playing on talls. Where he comes into his own is knowing when to peel off and when to defend.
#27
Posted 05 March 2010 - 12:56 PM
Oliver Hill, on 05 March 2010 - 12:32 PM, said:
..........Footy is all about matchups, so this needs to be taken into account against a Franklinless Hawthorn. .................
And possibly without Rioli, Burgoyne and Clinton Young. At the very least, there are very large question marks over their fitness.
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#28
Posted 05 March 2010 - 12:57 PM
Jaded, on 05 March 2010 - 12:50 PM, said:
Regardless of the forwardline we are coming up against, it's important to keep the backline group playing together for as long as we can.
You may well be right, but he wouldn't be in my team come round 1.
And I don't agree with your next point.
EDIT: I should clarify my last point. In the main you're probably right, but Warnock is a very limited and one dimensional footballer. This type of player isn't immune form being left out due to matchups.
This post has been edited by Oliver Hill: 05 March 2010 - 01:05 PM
#29
Posted 05 March 2010 - 01:30 PM
HB: Grimes Frawley Bruce
C: Davey Maloney Sylvia
HF: Bate Miller Jurrah
F: Petterd Green Wona(Maric/Jetta)
Foll: Jamar Jones Mc Donald
Inter: Scully Trengove Martin Dunn
Emer: Maric Jetta Batram Bell
- Warnock is the best match up for Roughead and therefore will play. Roughie is the man most likely to take the game away from us with Franklin and Rioli missing.
- Joel MacDonald will be in our best 22 all year (fitness prevailing).
- Garland will need to get significant runs on the board for Casey before being selected but once he does I am confident he can make a sizable difference at either end of the ground. Unfortunately it won’t be in round 1.
- Green at FF and Jurrah on a flank roaming is my preferred option. Miller can then play a decoy CHF leading up to wings with Bate and Dunn playing high/low half forwards floating back towards goal. Petterd should be given a chance in a pocket and we need a goalsneak so if Wona's not ready Maric or Jetta must play.
- Watts needs ground time before being an option so dependent on what he get’s under his belt before round 1 at this stage I would have him unavailable.
Noticeable flaws:
- There’s isn’t a lock down fleet footer small defender in the side. Unfortunately our options (Bell, Bartram, Cheney) aren’t good enough to justify selection ahead the blokes in the team. Because of this it will be up to the likes of Bruce and the skipper to cover those gaps. Thankfully Rioli is unlikely to play. If he does play I’d expect Bartram to get the nod possibly ahead of Dunn.
- An over reliance on Jamar. Martin may develop into a decent player but I don’t belive it will be as a ruckman. I think for us to be successful at all we will also need the big Russian to bob up with a couple of goals resting forward most weeks. It’s a lot to ask of 1 player with minimal back up.
- Our forward line will need to create space very effectively be dangerous. Blokes that can kick goals from distance like Green, Sylvia and Bate will need space to run into and out of to hit the scoreboard regularly
- Obviously very young, but blokes like Trengove, Scully, Jurrah, Grimes, Petterd, Martin, Petterd and to a lesser extent MacDonald will benefit from playing together & on our home ground. Not as young however as it might be once Morton, Watts and Garland are ready to go.
#30
Posted 05 March 2010 - 03:56 PM
- Colin Garland – Foot – 1 week
- Neville Jetta – Groin – 1-2 weeks
- Jack Watts – Back – 2-3 weeks
- Sam Blease – Ankle – 2-3 weeks
FB:MacDonald Frawley Cheney
HB:Bruce Rivers Strauss
C: Davey Moloney Green
HF:Sylvia Bate Trengove
FF:Jurrah Miller Petterd
Foll: Jamar Grimes McDonald
Int: Martin Jones Scully Bennell
Emer from: Spencer, Maric, Wonaeamirri, Warnock, Dunn, McKenzie.
With presumed fitness:
Backline: MacDonald, Bruce, Frawley, Rivers are locked in the backline at this stage. With no Franklin I've left out Warnock in favour of Bennell, Cheney and Strauss. Speed and youth need every opportunity. If they flood their forward line with a ruckman, Stef Martin can follow him. I'll back him as a defender against Taylor, Renouf or Skipper (sidenote - Jamar must be a real strength in this game). I've got no doubt our match committee will go with Warnock, but I like the gamble of leaving him out. His preseason form has been average so far. Bennell has been average as well, and I'm not a huge fan of Cheney - I'm hoping someone interesting like Tom McNamara or Rohan Bail can step up in the last 2 practice games.
Midfield: Davey, Moloney, Green, Grimes, McDonald, Jones appear certain. Scully and Trengove get the opportunity over Dunn or another forward. Sylvia also rotates through.
Forward: I've only named the 4 set forwards - Bate, Miller, Jurrah, Petterd. Miller is needed, the other 3 are good. I wanted to get another forward in but need convincing Maric or Wona deserve a spot come round 1. Also midfield rotations are important and Green, Sylvia and Davey can play forward when not in the middle.
#31
Posted 05 March 2010 - 05:44 PM
#33
Posted 07 March 2010 - 12:05 PM
The Hawks have had a pretty poor preseason thus far:
Burgoyne is almost certain to miss along with Sewell and their weak ruck division will be on wood for a while... could be very interesting.
This post has been edited by grazman: 07 March 2010 - 12:11 PM
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#35
Posted 07 March 2010 - 12:18 PM
Carn dees, on 07 March 2010 - 01:14 PM, said:
There is a strong possibility that Roughead may have to play in the ruck.
My best opening round team now is:
FIRST ROUND TEAM –2010
B: CHENEY WARNOCK RIVERS
HB: MacDONALD FRAWLEY STRAUSS
C: BRUCE McDONALD TRENGOVE
HF: GREEN MILLER BATE
F: DAVEY JAMAR PETTERD
R: SPENCER DUNN JONES
I: SYLVIA McKENZIE MALONEY SCULLY
This post has been edited by jayceebee31: 08 March 2010 - 08:21 AM
#37
Posted 07 March 2010 - 12:24 PM
B: Rivers Warnock Cheney
HB: MacDonald Frawley Strauss
C: Davey McDonald Bruce
HF: Bate Miller Petterd
FF: Sylvia Green Wonaeamirri
R: Jamar Grimes Moloney
I: Trengove Martin/Spencer Scully McKenzie
E: Bennell McNamara Maric
Will be interesting to see who plays next week vs West Coast.
Martin vs Spencer for back up ruck will be a dual as well. With no Jurrah and most likely no Watts, Martin might get the nod as a 2nd ruck/forward (which won't work, but might happen regardless). I'd prefer Spencer.
I also think McNamara is playing well, and might get a spot instead of Strauss or Bennell.
Edit: Goodvibes reminded me of McKenzie, who should play.
This post has been edited by titan_uranus: 07 March 2010 - 12:25 PM
#38
Posted 07 March 2010 - 12:46 PM
Goodvibes, on 07 March 2010 - 01:23 PM, said:
I agree about McKenzie, he should play rd 1, good in and under player:
According to Schwabby, Bater and Wona came through the Casey match unscathed, and will probably play next weekend, given our lack of scoring options, I'd say they will both play rd 1 if they get through against the Eagles. Cam Bruce and Col would both need to play this weekend, but on the back of limited preseasons, you'd think they'd be given more time. Davey will play unless injured.
"Monday's experts, they've always got the good oil, pity you can't put a bet on at the finish of a race" Mick Thomas WPA
#39
Posted 07 March 2010 - 12:56 PM
HB MacDONALD WARNOCK TRENGOVE
C DAVEY SCULLY GRIMES
HF MILLER BATE SYLVIA
F PETTERD GREEN MARIC
Foll JAMAR JONES MOLONEY
INT SPENCER BRUCE DUNN McDONALD
EMERG: MARTIN CHENEY WONNA MacNAMARA BALE McKENZIE (? eligible now)
LOOKING FORWARD: Watts Garland Jurrah Bell Tapscott Gawn Fitzpatrick Gysberts
This post has been edited by Barry Dawson: 07 March 2010 - 01:03 PM
#40
Posted 07 March 2010 - 02:31 PM
Simon Taylor broken leg had surgery this morning out for four months
Brad Sewell broken Collarbone. Unsure about return date
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